I feel like a hero again!

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2014

Agreed! Now i can get back to focusing on the story and just strolling through the rest! I didn't have the idea for Roleplay Mode like they did in Mass Effect, but im glad they added it here.

Oh wait that is right, the story died when I betrayed my faction.

Blackwidow · July 2014

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Agreed! Now i can get back to focusing on the story and just strolling through the rest! I didn't have the idea for Roleplay Mode like they did in Mass Effect, but im glad they added it here.

Oh wait that is right, the story died when I betrayed my faction.

That is a whole other batch of cracked eggs.

I agree they did the 50+ and 5++ wrong.

We should have been spies sabotaging the other factions. Those would have been cool quest lines.

Hilgara · July 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

Maybe that's the difference between gamers like you and me. One needs it to be easy in order to feel powerful, while the other needs it to be challenging to be deemed heroic.

You are so manly, playing your tough video game. You have shamed me!

Don't let it bother you too much. Pretend it is like an obvious long-windup telegraph power ability and just ignore it.

You might automatically win the discussion.

I didn't know they was something to win.

I'm enjoying the new patch. So, yeah me!

You dont seem to be playing much of it or is it so easy you can spam the forums with one hand and jab the hack slash button with the other?

Blackwidow · July 2014

Hilgara wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

Maybe that's the difference between gamers like you and me. One needs it to be easy in order to feel powerful, while the other needs it to be challenging to be deemed heroic.

You are so manly, playing your tough video game. You have shamed me!

Don't let it bother you too much. Pretend it is like an obvious long-windup telegraph power ability and just ignore it.

You might automatically win the discussion.

I didn't know they was something to win.

I'm enjoying the new patch. So, yeah me!

You dont seem to be playing much of it or is it so easy you can spam the forums with one hand and jab the hack slash button with the other?

I'm at work.

midnight_tea · July 2014

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

People can stand in fire, ignore long windup abilities and game mechanics, and do everything with the same 5 abilities without thinking now.

I hope you are happy.

But running to home plate without being expected to hit the ball does not make ME feel particularly "heroic."

It wasn't any better when they used those same 5 abilities while grinding to VR12 or abandoned the game...

I myself earned my "Tamriel Hero" achievement the hard way and while it was both frustrating and satisfying, I don't think I mind the change that much. We'll see where things will go from here...

Evergnar · July 2014

"It redefines the word fast food"
I was never for or against flat out nerfs for vet levels (or any other lazy nerfs) because I don't believe that was the issue. Which means to me nothing was improved. Just fed some "fast food" is all.

Ser Lobo · July 2014

I am actually enjoying this content. For what it's worth, it's like 1-50 again. My character feels superior to the things around him.

We'll see what the downside is when bots and farming start happening more.

purple-magicb16_ESO · July 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

I have made 2,329 posts on these forums. (I know, sad) In all of those posts, not once did I ever ask for a nerf. I have never asked for the combat in ESO to be easier.

I like a challenging game.

That said, playing my Vet 8 Templar today, I felt like a hero again.

I felt powerful. I got to treat minions as the garbage that they are.

No longer do I need to beg a pack of mubcrabs for mercy!

I have to say I love the change. I didn't ask for it, but I do love it.

Thank you, ZOS.

Awesome!! I believe this was more of a good business decision more than anything else. Please your customers. Plain and simple. If a significant amount of your players say nerf it, you nerf it or lose them. People were starting to quit over this. They don't pay to spend weeks grinding their way up to the next quest, it should already be at their level. Challenging but not impossible without having to lvl grind. It breathes new life back into VR.

purple-magicb16_ESO · July 2014

...I don't think people were quitting bcoz it was hard, I think they were getting bored lvl grinding. Just to clarify. The devs have really tough job. Its a really fine balance.

Istyar · July 2014

Hilgara wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

I have made 2,329 posts on these forums. (I know, sad) In all of those posts, not once did I ever ask for a nerf. I have never asked for the combat in ESO to be easier.

I like a challenging game.

That said, playing my Vet 8 Templar today, I felt like a hero again.

I felt powerful. I got to treat minions as the garbage that they are.

No longer do I need to beg a pack of mubcrabs for mercy!

I have to say I love the change. I didn't ask for it, but I do love it.

Thank you, ZOS.

So they brought the mountain to Mohamed then flattened it a bit for you. I fought my way there and climbed it. You will never know how satisfying that was. Neither will any other potential customers. They just nerfed the only thing the game had going for it.

Potential customer? seriously?

purple-magicb16_ESO · July 2014

Evergnar wrote: »

"It redefines the word fast food"
I was never for or against flat out nerfs for vet levels (or any other lazy nerfs) because I don't believe that was the issue. Which means to me nothing was improved. Just fed some "fast food" is all.

Gee thanks a lot. Now I'm hungry!

Blackwidow · July 2014

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

...I don't think people were quitting bcoz it was hard, I think they were getting bored lvl grinding. Just to clarify. The devs have really tough job. Its a really fine balance.

Bored customers quit.

I do agree it was probably because of the grind, but some people had a hard time soling, so they gave up.

Hilgara · July 2014

Istyar wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

I have made 2,329 posts on these forums. (I know, sad) In all of those posts, not once did I ever ask for a nerf. I have never asked for the combat in ESO to be easier.

I like a challenging game.

That said, playing my Vet 8 Templar today, I felt like a hero again.

I felt powerful. I got to treat minions as the garbage that they are.

No longer do I need to beg a pack of mubcrabs for mercy!

I have to say I love the change. I didn't ask for it, but I do love it.

Thank you, ZOS.

So they brought the mountain to Mohamed then flattened it a bit for you. I fought my way there and climbed it. You will never know how satisfying that was. Neither will any other potential customers. They just nerfed the only thing the game had going for it.

Potential customer? seriously?

Yup, all the TES fans came at launch. The ones that follow will be looking for an MMO game and be damned with the lore. They will want a challenge. They will play this game for a fortnight and move on to something else.
For a short while ESO offered something rarely found. An MMO RPG that you couldn't just faceroll through. This is the way games are moving now. Just look at all the sirvival MMO's like RUST and Day Z. Its also why WoW has lost 5 million ustomers.

Laura · July 2014

and you will still be terrible and get your ass handed to you when you get to vr10.

Congratulations hero!

I feel like a hero when I kill something difficult, different strokes I guess!

ooooor you guys could have talked them into buffing classes like templars and weapon builds... but no you just gave them credit for doing things the easy way.

instead of buffing the weaker classes and builds you have sent a clear message to zos, just nerf content. Be lazy - we don't care.

Congrats.

Blackwidow · July 2014

Hilgara wrote: »

Istyar wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

I have made 2,329 posts on these forums. (I know, sad) In all of those posts, not once did I ever ask for a nerf. I have never asked for the combat in ESO to be easier.

I like a challenging game.

That said, playing my Vet 8 Templar today, I felt like a hero again.

I felt powerful. I got to treat minions as the garbage that they are.

No longer do I need to beg a pack of mubcrabs for mercy!

I have to say I love the change. I didn't ask for it, but I do love it.

Thank you, ZOS.

So they brought the mountain to Mohamed then flattened it a bit for you. I fought my way there and climbed it. You will never know how satisfying that was. Neither will any other potential customers. They just nerfed the only thing the game had going for it.

Potential customer? seriously?

Yup, all the TES fans came at launch. The ones that follow will be looking for an MMO game and be damned with the lore. They will want a challenge. They will play this game for a fortnight and move on to something else.

They come for the TES. They stay for the fun.

Your fun might not be their fun.

Its also why WoW has lost 5 million customers.

ROFLMAO!

WoW has lost more customers than all the others have ever gained. Yet, it is still number one.

I would love a link showing WoW lost 5 million customers because it was too easy. Was this in some Blizzard secret report?

Hilgara · July 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

I would love a link showing WoW lost 5 million customers because it was too easy. Was this in some Blizzard secret report?

I was using the same logic that says Vet zones are empty because they are too hard.

Blackwidow · July 2014

Laura wrote: »

and you will still be terrible and get your ass handed to you when you get to vr10.

Congratulations hero!

I feel like a hero when I kill something difficult, different strokes I guess!

ooooor you guys could have talked them into buffing classes like templars and weapon builds... but no you just gave them credit for doing things the easy way.

instead of buffing the weaker classes and builds you have sent a clear message to zos, just nerf content. Be lazy - we don't care.

Congrats.

Thanks!

Rylana · July 2014

The learning curve for endgame just got a whole lot steeper.

Wait til this crop of "heroes" tries to do veteran dungeons, pvp, or craglorn without learning the basics of combat.

It will be like week 1 all over again.

Blackwidow · July 2014

Hilgara wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

I would love a link showing WoW lost 5 million customers because it was too easy. Was this in some Blizzard secret report?

I was using the same logic that says Vet zones are empty because they are too hard.

So, you agree with one, don't agree with the other, but you use one to prove the other.

Nice logic.

Laura · July 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

Laura wrote: »

and you will still be terrible and get your ass handed to you when you get to vr10.

Congratulations hero!

I feel like a hero when I kill something difficult, different strokes I guess!

ooooor you guys could have talked them into buffing classes like templars and weapon builds... but no you just gave them credit for doing things the easy way.

instead of buffing the weaker classes and builds you have sent a clear message to zos, just nerf content. Be lazy - we don't care.

Congrats.

Thanks!

seriously though, you want them to just nerf content instead of buffing classes and weapon builds? really does that make any sense to you? and if so how?

I'm not saying "l2p" i'm not saying its easy for everyone I'm saying that other classes like yours and people who choose to play with weapons skills should have been buffed

VR was a joke for sorcs and dks - seriously.

so why not bring the other classes up to there level? do you really want to congratulate zos for taking the easy way out? this just blows my mind on so many levels.

hk11 · July 2014

I feel some pre-patch vet elitism brewing.

Vahrokh · July 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

KariTR wrote: »

Maybe that's the difference between gamers like you and me. One needs it to be easy in order to feel powerful, while the other needs it to be challenging to be deemed heroic.

You are so manly, playing your tough video game. You have shamed me!

He says the truth.
I am going to stay up till when they shut down the EU server to apply the patch, to savor the last hours of when ESO was a game ripe with satisfaction, with "YEAH I MADE IT!".
Tomorrow? I'll let my cat play for me. It's enough.

Rylana · July 2014

hk11 wrote: »

I feel some pre-patch vet elitism brewing.

LFM Vet Dungeon X, must have completed Vet 12 prior to July, Pst.

waylander48 · July 2014

I parked my VR1 a while ago because of people here saying how stupid hard it was so I thought why put myself through it.

now we have the other half on here now saying it should be reverted back wish people would make up their minds.

and to the people saying WOW lost millions of subs because it was too easy wake up they lost millions of subs because of lots of reasons not just because it became easy.
nothing to do 2 months after an xpac hit for the next 16 months didn't help.

Hilgara · July 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

Hilgara wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

I would love a link showing WoW lost 5 million customers because it was too easy. Was this in some Blizzard secret report?

I was using the same logic that says Vet zones are empty because they are too hard.

So, you agree with one, don't agree with the other, but you use one to prove the other.

Nice logic.

Yeah I thought so. Seems to work for plenty on here. The same people who are insulted by L2P but think calling everyone elitist or l33t is ok. Or the ones accused anyone who found the difficult ok of ruining the game and are now telling those same people to leave the game if they don't like it.

We'll see how effective the changes are. If Vet zones were empty due to the difficulty as they are saying then they should be buzzing next week right?

Kulthax · July 2014

hk11 wrote: »

I feel some pre-patch vet elitism brewing.

There is a lot of whine going on these forums today. :'(

hk11 · July 2014

waylander48 wrote: »

I parked my VR1 a while ago because of people here saying how stupid hard it was so I thought why put myself through it.

now we have the other half on here now saying it should be reverted back wish people would make up their minds.

and to the people saying WOW lost millions of subs because it was too easy wake up they lost millions of subs because of lots of reasons not just because it became easy.
nothing to do 2 months after an xpac hit for the next 16 months didn't help.

I think they lost a lot of their subs due to people burning out after playing it for 5 to 10 years.

Phinix1 · July 2014

Rylana wrote: »

hk11 wrote: »

I feel some pre-patch vet elitism brewing.

LFM Vet Dungeon X, must have completed Vet 12 prior to July, Pst.

Sorry, they all left to buy fast cars and take up golf.

Blackwidow · July 2014

Laura wrote: »

seriously though, you want them to just nerf content instead of buffing classes and weapon builds? really does that make any sense to you? and if so how?

Well, it was not my call. I did not make the game. I was enjoying the new power.

Tell you the truth, if they made me more powerful, or weaken the mobs, I'm not sure there is much a difference.

Please explain.

I'm not saying "l2p" i'm not saying its easy for everyone I'm saying that other classes like yours and people who choose to play with weapons skills should have been buffed

I never asked for this. Read my OP. I'm just enjoying it for what it is.

VR was a joke for sorcs and dks - seriously.

My vet 12 is a Sorc. I agree it was easier.

so why not bring the other classes up to there level? do you really want to congratulate zos for taking the easy way out? this just blows my mind on so many levels.

I did not care that it was hard. I don't care that it was made easier. I can say it is more fun for me personally that my Templar feels more powerful.

Be mad at me for enjoying the game more if ya want, but I did not make the game.

Hate the game, not the player.

waylander48 · July 2014

did all the vets that exploited to vet10 leave I bet they were proud they beat the really hard content.