Cyrodiil/PvP FPS Issues: YOU WILL LOSE SUBS IF THIS IS NOT FIXED

Durham · July 2014

Syzmicke wrote: »

Why are people crying out for extra game time theres more to the game than PvP you know.

Some people are being affected in PVE, not just PVP ... My brother cannot play at the moment because of the same issues in PVE... He is experiencing slow mob/terrain rendering he runs into tree's and rocks... animations not rendering..health bar out of sinc. music out of sinc..If he is solo he will die to mobs it will not show them until after he is dead ... Sometimes he see's that he is under attack but no mob.. lol He did not have this issue until the last patch... I have have not had his issues but I know of 2 others that are having his exact issues....

ImBatman · July 2014

Durham wrote: »

Syzmicke wrote: »

Why are people crying out for extra game time theres more to the game than PvP you know.

Some people are being affected in PVE, not just PVP ... My brother cannot play at the moment because of the same issues in PVE... He is experiencing slow mob/terrain rendering he runs into tree's and rocks... animations not rendering..health bar out of sinc. music out of sinc..If he is solo he will die to mobs it will not show them until after he is dead ... Sometimes he see's that he is under attack but no mob.. lol He did not have this issue until the last patch... I have have not had his issues but I know of 2 others that are having his exact issues....

I also experience issues in PvE. For instance, some areas with high mob density (anywhere in vr5+ zones) I have very low fps and glitchy game behavior. The red area circles/cones that show for mob aoe's occasionally have a red and black checkerboard that pop up around them, etc..

OccultOverload · July 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_AlvinM wrote: »

We understand that the FPS issue is very frustrating, and would like to assure everyone that our team is working on the issue. We will absolutely push a patch as soon as we can, and will be sure to post on the forums when we do. We understand your feelings and do appreciate your patience.

That said, we do require that all posts on the ESO forums stay in line with our Code of Conduct, which does not allow demands. As such, we have removed the word "Ultimatum" from the title of this thread. In addition, we'd like to remind everyone to please keep their posts civil and on topic.

Best post ever.

Braidas · July 2014

ImBatman wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

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"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

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"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

Anyone else see a pattern?

yes in every MMO out there same old whine with the same old moldy cheese

ZOS will fix the FPS issue when they have a fix for it. They have to make the call on when they are willing to push out the patch for it and at what level of confidence they have that the patch will fix the issue.

The issue here is not the trash can community. Is that they actually listen to them and rush untested/broken patches. I mean, who the hell would patch something that might break the game just because some people are asking on the forums? That's moronic.

They already did that without community pressure. It seems like they don't playtest any of their patches. They don't playtest any balances they make. They make the game worse with every patch. You can't break the game any more than it is now so might as well push out a patch and see if it works, like they've been doing

I wouldn't challenge these guys, they seem pretty good at breaking it.

wllstrt75b14_ESO · July 2014

ZOS_AlvinM wrote: »

We understand that the FPS issue is very frustrating, and would like to assure everyone that our team is working on the issue. We will absolutely push a patch as soon as we can, and will be sure to post on the forums when we do. We understand your feelings and do appreciate your patience.

That said, we do require that all posts on the ESO forums stay in line with our Code of Conduct, which does not allow demands. As such, we have removed the word "Ultimatum" from the title of this thread. In addition, we'd like to remind everyone to please keep their posts civil and on topic.

They posted a similar statement last wed. This means they didn't do crap over the long weekend but took yours n mine hard earned money a went boozing over the weekend. Now I am all for partying on the 4th but for as long as this bug has been around and a regurgitating of more bs after nothing being done over the long weekend drives me batty and tells me these tools are useless.

I enjoyed my weekend away and will enjoy my 15 extra a month playing a game that actually works and the team behind it cares about the game and their clients. These guys obviously don't.

Daddybigtime · July 2014

Things happens. That being said I've played soooo many MMO's I understand the risks of investing in ANY MMO early and one of those risks are gamebreaking pvp - WAR, optimization - SWTOR, and unfinished endgame - Vanilla WOW. Every MMO near launch, and I mean every last one, has issues that the public believes is taking too long to solve. But the problems do get solved.

wllstrt75b14_ESO · July 2014

Daddybigtime wrote: »

Things happens. That being said I've played soooo many MMO's I understand the risks of investing in ANY MMO early and one of those risks are gamebreaking pvp - WAR, optimization - SWTOR, and unfinished endgame - Vanilla WOW. Every MMO near launch, and I mean every last one, has issues that the public believes is taking too long to solve. But the problems do get solved.

4 months and an entire beta? Problems were known these dudes did nothing.

Daddybigtime · July 2014

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

Daddybigtime wrote: »

Things happens. That being said I've played soooo many MMO's I understand the risks of investing in ANY MMO early and one of those risks are gamebreaking pvp - WAR, optimization - SWTOR, and unfinished endgame - Vanilla WOW. Every MMO near launch, and I mean every last one, has issues that the public believes is taking too long to solve. But the problems do get solved.

4 months and an entire beta? Problems were known these dudes did nothing.

Oh I understand your anger. Like I said I've been through alot of new MMOs getting off the ground. I've regretted not sticking it out after things got fixed. SWTOR had THE worst optimization I had ever seen when it launch. Now the game runs like butter on my old 2008 machine. I just have uncanny patience after so many MMOs.

Dalriaden · July 2014

ZOS_AlvinM wrote: »

We understand that the FPS issue is very frustrating, and would like to assure everyone that our team is working on the issue. We will absolutely push a patch as soon as we can, and will be sure to post on the forums when we do. We understand your feelings and do appreciate your patience.

Sorry but you're already losing subs. Patience was waiting a week for a patch that "might" fix it, at this point I can only wonder why haven't you guys rolled back to when it worked? The game is the best looking mmo on the market but now its nearly unplayable in pvp. Who wants to pay to play a game they have to restart every few minutes in order to have playable frames, and to be quite frank there are several who have already left and people in my pvp guild are saying all the other pvp guilds they are in are dying out.
I've defended and recommended this game repeatedly, but as it is right now there is no way I could that. Game breaking issues need an immediate fix and if there is no immediate fix need to be rolled back to a working state of the game until it can be resolved. If this were a cable tv/internet/or any other type of business this standard of service would in no way exist.
Hopefully it's fixed tomorrow but its not the first and I fear it wont be the last time bugs are allowed to exist for such an amazingly long period of time.

boogie95 · July 2014

Even the PVE is mostly unplaybale it will go down to 9-11 fps when around other players some little tricks here and there work for a bit but in the end the fps comes back and makes pvp/pve all game content unplayable

CaptainSilverbrow · July 2014

ZOS_AlvinM wrote: »

That said, we do require that all posts on the ESO forums stay in line with our Code of Conduct, which does not allow demands. As such, we have removed the word "Ultimatum" from the title of this thread. In addition, we'd like to remind everyone to please keep their posts civil and on topic.

Sure, it transitions from a "demand" to a statement, then, one that the majority of your playerbase can get behind. What, does it "trigger" fewer "triggers" that way? Look, we understand its a matter of respect and decorum, but at least try to show us some in turn.

It's astounding your people are more astute to enforce your rules HERE, out of the principle product being discussed, than you are WITHIN the game itself. Even if the FPS issue is fixed, why are reported exploiters still cavorting about, and still exploiting no less?

FENGRUSH · July 2014

ZOS_AlvinM wrote: »

We understand your feelings and do appreciate your patience.

Lol. How many people actually appear to have any patience left in this thread?

Also, dont think 'you' understand these peoples feelings. If you did, youd probably be doing what theyre all screaming that you should have done hours after PvP was clearly unplayable.

Xsorus · July 2014

Yelling at them and threatening to quit probably won't make them push it out faster.

Yes it sucks they broke the pvp portion of the game (that's primarily about pvp) But nothing can be done about it now except wait...

The thing that really annoys me about it is that this game is the closest thing to DAOC in a long time, and if it ends up failing for whatever reason, Developers from other studios will blame it on the its PvP system, and we'll get 10 more years of *** WoW Clones.

Akhratos · July 2014

Daddybigtime wrote: »

Things happens. That being said I've played soooo many MMO's I understand the risks of investing in ANY MMO early and one of those risks are gamebreaking pvp - WAR, optimization - SWTOR, and unfinished endgame - Vanilla WOW. Every MMO near launch, and I mean every last one, has issues that the public believes is taking too long to solve. But the problems do get solved.

I played all those 3 games at launch and pretty much agree with you (tho Id not say war pvp was broken in any way, besides the horrid lag and me being a war lover).

Problem is ESO has:

- Optimization problems (new perk). The client optimization was fine before, not so much the server performance (poor netcode).
- Gamebreaking pvp. First vampires, then people using stuck command while carrying a scroll, then caltrops, oil, teleports to enemy scroll temples, silver bolts aka "nightfreaks bane"...
- Unfinished endgame. 18 minutes endgame at my 3d trial? I guess thats a trial like in software trials, anyone know when are they gonna release the full version?

Damn warhammer had me paying until the ¥¢°±|°¢°±[•™±[ from mythic/ea shut down the game servers. Swtor Im a paying subscriber atm and played at release. Wow I like making jokes about their kungfu panda expansion, but I loved wotlk raids.

I dont know if I will have the same patient for the best of three worlds.

jquestb16_ESO2 · July 2014

I think you meant the 7th not the 14th why would we have to wait another week for a fix? We're paying customers there should be hot fixes every hr till it's working, not a patch maybe in a week or 2. Would you continue to pay your internet provider if they said we might have your internet back up in a week or 2? obviously not you would cancel and find someone else.

Sleevez340 · July 2014

A large portion? Really you think that a large portion is going to quit because for 2 weeks theyre entire life is ruined, because eso has lag in cyrodiil?

Thats basically what your saying right?

ImBatman · July 2014

Sleevez340 wrote: »

A large portion? Really you think that a large portion is going to quit because for 2 weeks theyre entire life is ruined, because eso has lag in cyrodiil?

Thats basically what your saying right?

If you look around pay and attention you'll see a large number of people are fed up with it.

Loco_Mofo · July 2014

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

Daddybigtime wrote: »

Things happens. That being said I've played soooo many MMO's I understand the risks of investing in ANY MMO early and one of those risks are gamebreaking pvp - WAR, optimization - SWTOR, and unfinished endgame - Vanilla WOW. Every MMO near launch, and I mean every last one, has issues that the public believes is taking too long to solve. But the problems do get solved.

4 months and an entire beta? Problems were known these dudes did nothing.

Breaking stuff is something.

Loco_Mofo · July 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Yelling at them and threatening to quit probably won't make them push it out faster.

Yes it sucks they broke the pvp portion of the game (that's primarily about pvp) But nothing can be done about it now except wait...

The thing that really annoys me about it is that this game is the closest thing to DAOC in a long time, and if it ends up failing for whatever reason, Developers from other studios will blame it on the its PvP system, and we'll get 10 more years of *** WoW Clones.

All my hopes rest on Camelot Unchained.

I thought ESO might fill that void too, but Camelot Unchained will have launched by the time they fix all the issues here.

SC0TY999 · July 2014

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_AlvinM wrote: »

We understand that the FPS issue is very frustrating, and would like to assure everyone that our team is working on the issue. We will absolutely push a patch as soon as we can, and will be sure to post on the forums when we do. We understand your feelings and do appreciate your patience.

That said, we do require that all posts on the ESO forums stay in line with our Code of Conduct, which does not allow demands. As such, we have removed the word "Ultimatum" from the title of this thread. In addition, we'd like to remind everyone to please keep their posts civil and on topic.

They posted a similar statement last wed. This means they didn't do crap over the long weekend but took yours n mine hard earned money a went boozing over the weekend. Now I am all for partying on the 4th but for as long as this bug has been around and a regurgitating of more bs after nothing being done over the long weekend drives me batty and tells me these tools are useless.

I enjoyed my weekend away and will enjoy my 15 extra a month playing a game that actually works and the team behind it cares about the game and their clients. These guys obviously don't.

Coc***e and h**kers!

vanzan · July 2014

Say what you do. Do what you say.

At the moment were told of a Monday fix at the latest and now we are being told what to say and how to say it? Its Monday now, what is the status and where is the fix?

Customers have a right to their opinion, we are paying for something that's broken and all you are doing is giving us vague answers.

lans1234567890rwb17_ESO · July 2014

So all we can say now is they zos is run by *** kids . You got a game killing problems that cost you at last something like 100 people a day.why not fuckibg 100% work on this problem 24/7 (in 2 or 3 teams) and give people free game time ?

tino.antoninieb17_ESO · July 2014

Best options ZOS have in this moment ;

Fix the bug ( this monday is probably out of question )
Start talking
Credit players for lost time
Fix the bug (eventually)
Fire lot of people basically all faces we know from the interviews. That should be publicly announced coz those guys are liability.
Start removing debris what left after the storm.

Note: Yes i forgot this one - fire your PR department ( including cleaning lady ) and hire professionals

seneferab16_ESO · July 2014

tino.antoninieb17_ESO wrote: »

Best options ZOS have in this moment ;

Fix the bug ( this monday is probably out of question )
Start talking
Credit players for lost time
Fix the bug (eventually)
Fire lot of people basically all faces we know from the interviews. That should be publicly announced coz those guys are liability.
Start removing debris what left after the storm.

Note: Yes i forgot this one - fire your PR department ( including cleaning lady ) and hire professionals

This.
Although I think you should keep the cleaning lady. When I look at interviews people are wearing clean clothes. She might be the only one there who is actually doing her job.

I get that this is your first MMO ZOS, but your communication skills is absolutely appaling. Sticking heads into the sand is not going to make us forget these issues, communicating with us might make us forgive them.

lans1234567890rwb17_ESO · July 2014

Daddybigtime wrote: »

wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »

Daddybigtime wrote: »

Things happens. That being said I've played soooo many MMO's I understand the risks of investing in ANY MMO early and one of those risks are gamebreaking pvp - WAR, optimization - SWTOR, and unfinished endgame - Vanilla WOW. Every MMO near launch, and I mean every last one, has issues that the public believes is taking too long to solve. But the problems do get solved.

4 months and an entire beta? Problems were known these dudes did nothing.

Oh I understand your anger. Like I said I've been through alot of new MMOs getting off the ground. I've regretted not sticking it out after things got fixed. SWTOR had THE worst optimization I had ever seen when it launch. Now the game runs like butter on my old 2008 machine. I just have uncanny patience after idso many MMOs.

You more like a stupid kid that say all is good and not works for zos at all do you

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · July 2014

Memory leaks are not easy to fix guys. To investigate them alone takes a significant amount of time, and experimentation.

And that is what this problem here. To fix this kind of issue, requires a lot of investigation and testing.

Personally solving the issue but restarting the client. Usualy takes an hour of intensive fighting, spell casting and effects before the system goes down.

So find a safe place. Quick quit the client (do not wait for the timer) and log back again.

That is what I do even on the most intensive fights like the siege of Castle Alesia last night. (Hopsfire EU)

And yes must admit, used that trick to my advantage, wiping any EP that tried to climb the walls, including the emperor, who was lagging as hell it seems.

So relax and let ZoS fix the issue. Until then just restart the client and enjoy the game.
Should be fixed yes, but personally as a developer I never jump through to patch a memory leak, without I am certain that the update going to fix it and not create a new one in the process.

DanteYoda · July 2014

ZOS_AlvinM wrote: »

We understand that the FPS issue is very frustrating, and would like to assure everyone that our team is working on the issue. We will absolutely push a patch as soon as we can, and will be sure to post on the forums when we do. We understand your feelings and do appreciate your patience.

That said, we do require that all posts on the ESO forums stay in line with our Code of Conduct, which does not allow demands. As such, we have removed the word "Ultimatum" from the title of this thread. In addition, we'd like to remind everyone to please keep their posts civil and on topic.

Now thats some funny ***, if you believe this they also have a bridge to sell you..

DanteYoda · July 2014

zmanu wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

How would you most accurately define yourself as a gamer? 247 votes
PvP mostly, consider myself a serious gamer
12% 30 votes
PvP mostly, consider myself a casual gamer
6% 16 votes
PvE mostly, consider myself a serious gamer
27% 67 votes
PvE mostly, consider myself a casual gamer
26% 66 votes
Role-Player mostly
4% 10 votes
Really, really casual gamer - taking my time to see the sights
7% 18 votes
Other (posted)
16% 40 votes

This is not scientific by no means but I think it does show that PVP is a definate minor part of this game atm.... PVE is the part I think they are more concerned about ... Just a hunch ... But I do not think they are taking this lightly , but Im sure they are not going to drop everything to fix this...

That's mostly because the majority of the players that were here for the pvp have already quit. I'm only here for the pvp, it doesn't work, if it doesn't work after the next patch I will be out of reasons to keep playing.

Black is also white... right?

Atreyu · July 2014

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

So find a safe place. Quick quit the client (do not wait for the timer) and log back again.

I just have to logout my character, not quit the client to gain my fps back.

I dunno if this looks like a memory leak issue here.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · July 2014

Relax? I am not tech geek, but I for sure believe that stuff like mmo has backups for each version. Why don't they load the old patch? 1.2.2. There is literaly no reasson not to do so. I don't care about better graphics or more balanced classes. I care about beeing able to play!

It really seems like someone inside zeni wants the game to be shut down.

The only ones who are playing now are die hard fans who will endure even server shut down entirely for a month and still pay for it...

Or those who are lucky and do not experience fps drops. (judging from zone chats and forums it is minority)