Cyrodiil/PvP FPS Issues: YOU WILL LOSE SUBS IF THIS IS NOT FIXED

LtCrunch · July 2014

As big of an issue as this FPS issue is I feel like ZOS has been way, way too slow about dealing with it. This should be the absolute top of their to-do list right now. It's been around way too long and the longer it goes on the more faith people will lose in ZOS. They should have just rolled back the patch. Or better yet postponed it until it was truly ready and had been properly QA tested. This has done much more damage to the playerbase's confidence in ZOS than them simply delaying a major patch or rolling back would have.

SPECVSTV30_ESO · July 2014

I for one will not wait until the 14th. If this is not fixed earlier i am gone. i have been frustrated enough and can't even play 5 min of pvp without getting a slideshow. I have lost half of my paid gametime and will not donate another $15 for a patch that may or may not fix the problem. screw that

simontheriault1b16_ESO · July 2014

ImBatman wrote: »

simontheriault1b16_ESO wrote: »

I don't know for others, but when people are sending me ultimatums, I tend to do the opposite...

Congrats if that thread works.

Right, so then let them do the opposite and have the game sink. Brilliant buddy

You really think you got control on something???
Do you know how many times this has been tried since the game launch?

ImBatman · July 2014

simontheriault1b16_ESO wrote: »

ImBatman wrote: »

simontheriault1b16_ESO wrote: »

I don't know for others, but when people are sending me ultimatums, I tend to do the opposite...

Congrats if that thread works.

Right, so then let them do the opposite and have the game sink. Brilliant buddy

You really think you got control on something???
Do you know how many times this has been tried since the game launch?

Yeah, I have control because I am a customer. I am voicing my concerns and letting Zenimax know that my opinion is shared by many. If it is not fixed they will be losing money from many people, including myself. The game would be nothing if not for its customers.

DeLindsay · July 2014

DemonNinja wrote: »

@ZOS_AlvinM‌ @ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ So what you are saying is that the fix isnt going into the Monday patch as scheduled? If that's the case Im done as well this is so ridiculous. The fact that this is still live is totally unprofessional and will only lead to the games downfall in the end.

GAME BREAKING BUGS SHOULD NEVER REMAIN LIVE FOR THIS LONG UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES!

Then go apply to ZoS as a software engineer so that you (they) can have all bugs fixed in a week because you are so awesome

simontheriault1b16_ESO · July 2014

Yep, you're going to be right: either they push an unready patch and lose 100 more customers or lose YOUR customership.
If I was ZOS it wouldn't be a hard choice...

ZOS_AlvinM was clear I think.

crislevin · July 2014

Just want to chime in and note that I got PvE FPS drop too, and its by no means "large battle".

Arkadius · July 2014

simontheriault1b16_ESO wrote: »

I don't know for others, but when people are sending me ultimatums, I tend to do the opposite...

Congrats if that thread works.

So, say you were a software developer. You earned your money from selling your software. Now your product is so buggy, your customers can barely use it.
If they demanded you to fix the software within a given time, you would just ignore them and risk losing them forever? And with them the money you need to live?

Hard to believe.

SilentThunder · July 2014

ZOS_AlvinM wrote: »

We understand that the FPS issue is very frustrating, and would like to assure everyone that our team is working on the issue. We will absolutely push a patch as soon as we can, and will be sure to post on the forums when we do. We understand your feelings and do appreciate your patience.

unacceptable
You should have rolled back to the previous patch imeadeatly after finding major issues with a patch that did NOTHING but "Upgrade" some graphics.

If you don't fix or roll back this patch MUCH sooner than "maby" the 14th I for one will not be here anylonger

ImBatman · July 2014

simontheriault1b16_ESO wrote: »

Yep, you're going to be right: either they push an unready patch and lose 100 more customers or lose YOUR customership.
If I was ZOS it wouldn't be a hard choice...

ZOS_AlvinM was clear I think.

They didn't have a problem pushing the other unready patch. And I'm the only customer they're going to be losing? Lol there's at least 234 people being represented in this thread that are unsubbing because of this

ers101284b14_ESO · July 2014

ZOS_AlvinM wrote: »

We understand that the FPS issue is very frustrating, and would like to assure everyone that our team is working on the issue. We will absolutely push a patch as soon as we can, and will be sure to post on the forums when we do. We understand your feelings and do appreciate your patience.

That said, we do require that all posts on the ESO forums stay in line with our Code of Conduct, which does not allow demands. As such, we have removed the word "Ultimatum" from the title of this thread. In addition, we'd like to remind everyone to please keep their posts civil and on topic.

simontheriault1b16_ESO · July 2014

ImBatman wrote: »

simontheriault1b16_ESO wrote: »

Yep, you're going to be right: either they push an unready patch and lose 100 more customers or lose YOUR customership.
If I was ZOS it wouldn't be a hard choice...

ZOS_AlvinM was clear I think.

They didn't have a problem pushing the other unready patch. And I'm the only customer they're going to be losing? Lol there's at least 234 people being represented in this thread that are unsubbing because of this

We can argue about it all evening. I will be happy for you if it has worked. I just don't really have faith in ultimatums. I predict that you will be ready to unsub tomorrow.

Xiana wrote: »

simontheriault1b16_ESO wrote: »

I don't know for others, but when people are sending me ultimatums, I tend to do the opposite...

Congrats if that thread works.

So, say you were a software developer. You earned your money from selling your software. Now your product is so buggy, your customers can barely use it.
If they demanded you to fix the software within a given time, you would just ignore them and risk losing them forever? And with them the money you need to live?

Hard to believe.

I agree that something must be done. I don't trust other customers as myself to put realistic deadlines. Since I'm not on the development team nor an expert on game coding, I doubt I know things better than the active development team.

ImBatman · July 2014

I don't want to unsub. I want to enjoy it. But I can't because of a bug that was introduced either with their hotfix or their lighting upgrade patch.

Durham · July 2014

/agree

Gaëloup · July 2014

I would like to unsubscribe but I can't

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tino.antoninieb17_ESO · July 2014

simontheriault1b16_ESO wrote: »

I don't know for others, but when people are sending me ultimatums, I tend to do the opposite...

Congrats if that thread works.

Probably you would think twice if it is connected in any way with your financial well being.

simontheriault1b16_ESO · July 2014

ImBatman wrote: »

I don't want to unsub. I want to enjoy it. But I can't because of a bug that was introduced either with their hotfix or their lighting upgrade patch.

I agree that bugs sucks. I was swearing in front of bugs straight this afternoon. My point was we just need to be a little bit more patient and let the guys do their work. I'm sure they haven't bugged the game on purpose and they are not happy with what happened either.

kaosodin · July 2014

Mumyo wrote: »

Because of that answer ZOS_AlvinM i will hereby quit the game.
I just read that there is no fix coming today.
Gn8

Im done myself....... the answer and the "reminder" about the code of conduct and removing the word ultimatum. /sigh over zealous moderation if you ask me.... I feel scared to even make a comment or get hit with the mod stick.

Ill check on the game next year.

Logging into Dark Age of Camelot

ImBatman · July 2014

simontheriault1b16_ESO wrote: »

ImBatman wrote: »

I don't want to unsub. I want to enjoy it. But I can't because of a bug that was introduced either with their hotfix or their lighting upgrade patch.

I agree that bugs sucks. I was swearing in front of bugs straight this afternoon. My point was we just need to be a little bit more patient and let the guys do their work. I'm sure they haven't bugged the game on purpose and they are not happy with what happened either.

There's a difference between having patience and paying for something that doesn't work. I'll have patience up until my sub runs out, which is the 16th. Unfortunately, there are people who's subs are up before they plan on releasing the fix that may or may not even fix the problem. Hopefully Zenimax will do something to compensate us for time lost, time that we paid for, or pvp may become completely unpopulated.

Diabolik101 · July 2014

OMGCAPSSOSERIOUS!!! AAAAH

ImBatman · July 2014

It also doesn't help that Zenimax isn't informing us on what is actually going on, just ensuring us that the problem is being worked on. With people already losing faith them not keeping us completely up to date on what is actually going on doesn't help

simontheriault1b16_ESO · July 2014

ImBatman wrote: »

simontheriault1b16_ESO wrote: »

ImBatman wrote: »

I don't want to unsub. I want to enjoy it. But I can't because of a bug that was introduced either with their hotfix or their lighting upgrade patch.

I agree that bugs sucks. I was swearing in front of bugs straight this afternoon. My point was we just need to be a little bit more patient and let the guys do their work. I'm sure they haven't bugged the game on purpose and they are not happy with what happened either.

There's a difference between having patience and paying for something that doesn't work. I'll have patience up until my sub runs out, which is the 16th. Unfortunately, there are people who's subs are up before they plan on releasing the fix that may or may not even fix the problem. Hopefully Zenimax will do something to compensate us for time lost, time that we paid for, or pvp may become completely unpopulated.

I'm sure ZOS is aware of the situation. They gave 3 free days close to the release for inconvenience.

Enough forum for me tonight, Good evening, i'm off on what's working on the game.

DanielMaxwell · July 2014

Blackwidow wrote: »

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

Anyone else see a pattern?

yes in every MMO out there same old whine with the same old moldy cheese

ZOS will fix the FPS issue when they have a fix for it. They have to make the call on when they are willing to push out the patch for it and at what level of confidence they have that the patch will fix the issue.

Leovolao · July 2014

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

Anyone else see a pattern?

yes in every MMO out there same old whine with the same old moldy cheese

ZOS will fix the FPS issue when they have a fix for it. They have to make the call on when they are willing to push out the patch for it and at what level of confidence they have that the patch will fix the issue.

The issue here is not the trash can community. Is that they actually listen to them and rush untested/broken patches. I mean, who the hell would patch something that might break the game just because some people are asking on the forums? That's moronic.

Syzmicke · July 2014

Why are people crying out for extra game time theres more to the game than PvP you know.

LtCrunch · July 2014

Syzmicke wrote: »

Why are people crying out for extra game time theres more to the game than PvP you know.

Not much more to do once you hit max level. You can only repeat the same content over and again without getting anything worthwhile from the content you run. That pretty much leaves PVP, completing achievements or rolling an alt.

ImBatman · July 2014

Leovolao wrote: »

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

Anyone else see a pattern?

yes in every MMO out there same old whine with the same old moldy cheese

ZOS will fix the FPS issue when they have a fix for it. They have to make the call on when they are willing to push out the patch for it and at what level of confidence they have that the patch will fix the issue.

The issue here is not the trash can community. Is that they actually listen to them and rush untested/broken patches. I mean, who the hell would patch something that might break the game just because some people are asking on the forums? That's moronic.

They already did that without community pressure. It seems like they don't playtest any of their patches. They don't playtest any balances they make. They make the game worse with every patch. You can't break the game any more than it is now so might as well push out a patch and see if it works, like they've been doing

DanielMaxwell · July 2014

Leovolao wrote: »

DanielMaxwell wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

"Patch now!"

"Why do you patch without testing!"

"You broken the game"

Anyone else see a pattern?

yes in every MMO out there same old whine with the same old moldy cheese

ZOS will fix the FPS issue when they have a fix for it. They have to make the call on when they are willing to push out the patch for it and at what level of confidence they have that the patch will fix the issue.

The issue here is not the trash can community. Is that they actually listen to them and rush untested/broken patches. I mean, who the hell would patch something that might break the game just because some people are asking on the forums? That's moronic.

actually it is both. on the one side is the community demanding patches for various "issues" and on the other side a developer pushing out poorly tested patches for those issues . which leads to the pattern alluded to by the person I first quoted which is common in all MMO's the only difference is in how much Q&A testing is done on each patch before it is pushed out to the games live servers .

Drinkycrow · July 2014

Will not wait another week for this mess. I have no faith in Zenimax at all anymore. It is not only the fps issue(granted for me its a big deal), but also the 'weapon swap bug', the 'I got stuck and can no longer move bug', the 'I am pressing my ability buttons 1-5 and nothing happens till I open my inventory' bug. Obviously the need for fancy lights that shine though completely boarded up windows were a higher priority than bugs that make the game a clunky mess to play.

Frankly I would have been perfectly happy to pvp till more pve content and fixes are put in place...but now that the fps problem has taken all joy out of pvp I see no reason to log in/continue my sub to this game. Maybe the time is now to suspend billing or just give us a free month? I don't think that's much to ask and plenty of other game companies have done so for lesser issues.

hk11 · July 2014

Remove PvP and add some raids.