Alphashado wrote: »

Just curious if you guys are noticing less motif drops since 1.2.3, and if you think or if it's been proven that if there is a nerf, it's directly related to space being taken up by the RP items.

I didn't mind zos putting them in there. At this point, the game needs all the subs it can get and if something small like this makes the RPers happy, then so be it.

But I do not think it should have come at the expense of motifs.

Thoughts please.

This is the first step to nerfing Provisioning and Motifs.

The second will be the Crime System.

I used to find one or two every two days, now i found nothing for 4 days.

I am done farming for now, just one less thing to do in this game. I am lucky I leveld provisioning to 50 before this, otherwise I will stop that too.

If ZoS hoped to lengthen the time people farm a motif or leveling provisioning/alchemy, they can think that again.

crislevin wrote: »

I used to find one or two every two days, now i found nothing for 4 days.

I am done farming for now, just one less thing to do in this game. I am lucky I leveld provisioning to 50 before this, otherwise I will stop that too.

If ZoS hoped to lengthen the time people farm a motif or leveling provisioning/alchemy, they can think that again.

I did several runs through the houses of Daggerfall last night and averaged about 1 blue motif's per fun. Each run was also enough to boost my prov skill up a few points, and provided me with 2 to 4 green recipe's.

I can't say I've noticed a big difference to be honest.
I've been playing a while over 4 characters.
My main has all styles.
And I still have a complete set in the bank, 1-14, including imperial.
I think at last count I have 24 motifs in my bank, with many duplicates.

Got purple recipe yesterday and about 3 motives in 2 days.

Nope, no nerfs. I dont even grind it.. just regular looting.

Mescalamba wrote: »

Got purple recipe yesterday and about 3 motives in 2 days.

Nope, no nerfs. I dont even grind it.. just regular looting.

I grind and I haven't gotten a thing.

I wish I could advance my crafting by crafting and not by being lucky.

Pheral wrote: »

I've found one motif since the patch and I'm one of those that opens everything.
Sounds a bit like they have a flawed random seed. Might base it on your account id which gives some people better chances while others almost no chance. Wouldn't be the first game to do this.

I've found a handful of motifs and I rarely open anything. I actually skipped stuff until seeing this thread a few days ago, which prompted me to do a few runs in daggerfall houses. I averaged one blue motif ever one and a half runs (very rough estimate).

Also, I've never heard of a game that bases loot chance on account ID's although I've heard plenty of conspiracy theories regarding that. The problem with those theories is that in MMO's loot is generally determined before the container is actually opened by someone, so account ID can't be part of that process.

I can't speak 100% for ESO, however, as I'm still in the process of REing some things. For example, logging out and logging back in seems to reset containers (although a few are almost always "empty" like they were looted by someone else). So there's definitely something going on behind the scenes.

One guess I have is that sometimes people are looting containers that others before them have opened, but chose not to empty the contents (maybe they were looking only for motifs and ignored ingredients). In this case, the drop rate of motifs would obviously seem to be lower for anyone who happens to be searching after someone else already "cleared" the area of good stuff.

@Alphashado I would just like to point out that your data only counts if you're only checking containers which can drop motifs.

Barrels, sacks, crates, etc. can never have motifs in them. They are not part of their loot table.

They only drop in furniture: desks, nightstands, dressers, wardrobes, trunks, urns.

They can also very rarely drop from a mob.

nudel wrote: »

@Alphashado I would just like to point out that your data only counts if you're only checking containers which can drop motifs.

Barrels, sacks, crates, etc. can never have motifs in them. They are not part of their loot table.

They only drop in furniture: desks, nightstands, dressers, wardrobes, trunks, urns.

They can also very rarely drop from a mob.

What about backpacks?

I've found 4-5 blue ones and an imperial since last week. I had already bought all the blue ones for my crafter I didn't find one in the first 2 months.

lets see in ten days I've found about eight to nine regular motifs and that's really just going through hollowed city, daggerfall, and that first city you start out in Vhakul guard or something like that.

1. When I avidly try to farm containers I dedicate about 2 hours a day and only get 1 motif every 2 weeks. So that guy saying he has all those motifs, that is just a picture without a story. Those might have been accumulated since launch, none of us can truly know they all came from one 2 hour session of farming.

2. There is nothing roleplaying about having more 0g junk in containers. I mean, women don't have menstrual periods, wanna roleplay now? There is no toilet in ESO to crap on, where is the Roleplaying? This is designed as a nerf using "Coded Language" to make it appear for other purposes yet in the end hitting Provisioning/Motifs in the heart. "Language Coding" is famous for "Race and Gender Issues" and now its happening here. "Roleplaying" huh...

3. No roleplayer ever asked for or wanted 100's of 0g items cluttering up containers. Nobody did! Nobody wants to be able to pick up 1000's of spoons, ladels and dishes because skyrim. Nobody wants that. We want items that have at minimum a value that can be sold to vendors.

The Containers were already bogged down with 0g junk, stale food, race stones and they did not need another nerf.

This is another "nerf against bots" that will help gold sellers because now the only way for me to get purple provisioning recipes or motifs is Gold Sellers.