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Would you support a difficulty slider?
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Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoYou cannot put a difficulty slider in an MMO. It would require everyone on the setting to be in a seperate phase. Not sure why so many people can't understand this.3 -
Lodestar✭✭✭✭YesI've never played a MMO with a difficulty slider; seems kinda counterintuitive to the genre.
CoH had one. Was despite being slammed, one of the better MMOs out there. No one needed x class or Y class to do most of the content, the game was mostly instanced, meaning your difficulty slider, increased the mob levels a bit by each level up from the level you were when you got it. It added more mobs in each mission according to how many were in the group when you got in the door.
Was not in any way counter intuitive at all. Don't see how it could ever be considered. Unless you are of the mind MMOs should or should not be a certain something.2 -
isengrimb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YesI've never played a MMO with a difficulty slider; seems kinda counterintuitive to the genre.
CoH had one. Was despite being slammed, one of the better MMOs out there. No one needed x class or Y class to do most of the content, the game was mostly instanced, meaning your difficulty slider, increased the mob levels a bit by each level up from the level you were when you got it. It added more mobs in each mission according to how many were in the group when you got in the door.
Was not in any way counter intuitive at all. Don't see how it could ever be considered. Unless you are of the mind MMOs should or should not be a certain something.
Behold WoW's recent introduction of Flex technology - if people drop out of your raid, you'll no longer have to wait around picking your butt until another tank/healer pops in; the raid will automatically scale to the size of the current group, on the fly, like public games do in Diablo 3.
Sounds like a sort of difficulty slider to me, albeit an automatic one that you don't have direct control over.
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Good!Alphashado wrote: »You cannot put a difficulty slider in an MMO. It would require everyone on the setting to be in a seperate phase.
Understand it? We want it!Alphashado wrote: »Not sure why so many people can't understand this.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNO, it would simply give an unfair advantage to some players (or just lazy players). Zenimax should just get the game balanced properly. Yes that will take time and they will get things wrong, but one overall fair/balanced system is better !
Jealousy is a terrible thing. How would it adversely impact your gameplay if others chose an easier mode in PvE?
... other than perhaps harming your ego?
Nice to see an ass-umption ! I never said it would impact 'my' game. Frankly I'm not bothered either way. But (and I'd put money on this) the moment you implement a slider with an easier option people would complain about others getting more than their fair share !
(funny how you quickly point the finger and yet I don't see the words 'me' mine' or 'my' anywhere in my comment !
In future don't assume. If all you can do is make incorrect accusations based on you're interpretation of a persons comment... better to keep your mouth shut I'd say !High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
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Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No
Good!Alphashado wrote: »You cannot put a difficulty slider in an MMO. It would require everyone on the setting to be in a seperate phase.
Understand it? We want it!Alphashado wrote: »Not sure why so many people can't understand this.
If this game had a gigantic population (several million) then your suggestion might be viable. But with a smaller population it would be almost impossible to create groups for any of the group content if everyone was phased to a different difficulty setting. Not only that, but there would have to be a separate phase for each individual zone based purely on slider setting. I'm not sure if this kind of technology even exists for MMOs. What you are suggesting would be a massive undertaking that would require years to develop. I understand why you guys are asking for this, but it's simply not reasonable at this time.
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GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Then why on earth should you care, since you admit it wouldn't bother you either way? Yet obviously you do, or you'd have not bothered opposing the choice.NO, it would simply give an unfair advantage to some players (or just lazy players). Zenimax should just get the game balanced properly. Yes that will take time and they will get things wrong, but one overall fair/balanced system is better !
Jealousy is a terrible thing. How would it adversely impact your gameplay if others chose an easier mode in PvE?
... other than perhaps harming your ego?
Nice to see an ass-umption ! I never said it would impact 'my' game. Frankly I'm not bothered either way.
It is interesting to see the usual excuses thrown in by those who oppose gamer choice, tossing out hypotheticals left and right - while ironically ignoring that what you really don't want WILL HAPPEN if we don't find a middle ground:
Your precious MMO will be beaten into Oblivion by a nerfball bat.
Is that what you prefer?Crotchety Old Man Guild
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purple-magicb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭YesI like this. The rewards would also have to slide as appropriate too (xp gold and items). Those that take the "cake-walk" in PVE will have a rude awakening when going PVP.I don't comment here often but when I do, I get [snip]2 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭No
Good!Alphashado wrote: »You cannot put a difficulty slider in an MMO. It would require everyone on the setting to be in a seperate phase.
Understand it? We want it!Alphashado wrote: »Not sure why so many people can't understand this.
That would then be a single player co-op game not an MMO2 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Yeah, well show me a single-player co-op TES game, and I'll purchase it today.
Good!Alphashado wrote: »You cannot put a difficulty slider in an MMO. It would require everyone on the setting to be in a seperate phase.
Understand it? We want it!Alphashado wrote: »Not sure why so many people can't understand this.
That would then be a single player co-op game not an MMOCrotchety Old Man Guild
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Riptide✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoJust go naked and weaponless for ultra hard mode. Add a weapon for hard mode. Add jewelry for difficult. Add the rest for normal. All done Esse quam videri.2 -
Lodestar✭✭✭✭Yesisengrimb16_ESO wrote: »I've never played a MMO with a difficulty slider; seems kinda counterintuitive to the genre.
CoH had one. Was despite being slammed, one of the better MMOs out there. No one needed x class or Y class to do most of the content, the game was mostly instanced, meaning your difficulty slider, increased the mob levels a bit by each level up from the level you were when you got it. It added more mobs in each mission according to how many were in the group when you got in the door.
Was not in any way counter intuitive at all. Don't see how it could ever be considered. Unless you are of the mind MMOs should or should not be a certain something.
Behold WoW's recent introduction of Flex technology - if people drop out of your raid, you'll no longer have to wait around picking your butt until another tank/healer pops in; the raid will automatically scale to the size of the current group, on the fly, like public games do in Diablo 3.
Sounds like a sort of difficulty slider to me, albeit an automatic one that you don't have direct control over.
Yes, it does sound like something akin to it. Odd though this is 10 years or so after CoH.0 -
Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭No[Then why on earth should you care, since you admit it wouldn't bother you either way? Yet obviously you do, or you'd have not bothered opposing the choice.
I opposed the choice because I don't think it would be good for ESO in general. I'd rather do/choose what I think is best for the community, not what's best for me ! (if everybody thought that way this would be without question the best gaming community of any MMO)High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
I'm a werewolf. If you vamps don't like it.... Bite me !
We're not retreating... we're advancing in a different direction !0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes[Then why on earth should you care, since you admit it wouldn't bother you either way? Yet obviously you do, or you'd have not bothered opposing the choice.
I opposed the choice because I don't think it would be good for ESO in general. I'd rather do/choose what I think is best for the community, not what's best for me ! (if everybody thought that way this would be without question the best gaming community of any MMO)
You're certainly welcome to that opinion, but can you not see that the current trend is further nerfing of all content for all players - including you?
Is that good for ESO? Wouldn't a better alternative be a toggle that players could choose, vice the almighty nerf-hammer for your beloved difficult content?Crotchety Old Man Guild
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No[Then why on earth should you care, since you admit it wouldn't bother you either way? Yet obviously you do, or you'd have not bothered opposing the choice.
I opposed the choice because I don't think it would be good for ESO in general. I'd rather do/choose what I think is best for the community, not what's best for me ! (if everybody thought that way this would be without question the best gaming community of any MMO)
You're certainly welcome to that opinion, but can you not see that the current trend is further nerfing of all content for all players - including you?
Is that good for ESO? Wouldn't a better alternative be a toggle that players could choose, vice the almighty nerf-hammer for your beloved difficult content?
Or the alternative could always be that ZO stands their ground and says, "This is the game we wanted to make. If you want something easier, Hello Kitty: Island Adventure is still available."----
Murray?4 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yesnerevarine1138 wrote: »[Then why on earth should you care, since you admit it wouldn't bother you either way? Yet obviously you do, or you'd have not bothered opposing the choice.
I opposed the choice because I don't think it would be good for ESO in general. I'd rather do/choose what I think is best for the community, not what's best for me ! (if everybody thought that way this would be without question the best gaming community of any MMO)
You're certainly welcome to that opinion, but can you not see that the current trend is further nerfing of all content for all players - including you?
Is that good for ESO? Wouldn't a better alternative be a toggle that players could choose, vice the almighty nerf-hammer for your beloved difficult content?
Or the alternative could always be that ZO stands their ground and says, "This is the game we wanted to make. If you want something easier, Hello Kitty: Island Adventure is still available."
We have seen absolutely no indication that ZO will do so.
None.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭No[Then why on earth should you care, since you admit it wouldn't bother you either way? Yet obviously you do, or you'd have not bothered opposing the choice.
I opposed the choice because I don't think it would be good for ESO in general. I'd rather do/choose what I think is best for the community, not what's best for me ! (if everybody thought that way this would be without question the best gaming community of any MMO)
You're certainly welcome to that opinion, but can you not see that the current trend is further nerfing of all content for all players - including you?
Is that good for ESO? Wouldn't a better alternative be a toggle that players could choose, vice the almighty nerf-hammer for your beloved difficult content?
You're making this crap up. The trend in NOT to make games easier. As I have already mentioned there is a rash of really tough survivalist MMO's now being launched and doing well specifically because todays audience WANT HARD1 -
Phantax✭✭✭✭✭
✭No[Then why on earth should you care, since you admit it wouldn't bother you either way? Yet obviously you do, or you'd have not bothered opposing the choice.
I opposed the choice because I don't think it would be good for ESO in general. I'd rather do/choose what I think is best for the community, not what's best for me ! (if everybody thought that way this would be without question the best gaming community of any MMO)
You're certainly welcome to that opinion, but can you not see that the current trend is further nerfing of all content for all players - including you?
Is that good for ESO? Wouldn't a better alternative be a toggle that players could choose, vice the almighty nerf-hammer for your beloved difficult content?
Finally you ask my opinion (kind of) rather than just assuming it.
Anyway... personally I feel no, it would not be better. I'm of the opinion that a better balanced game in itself would be a better option.
As it goes I'm not overly happy with Zenimax's new "lets dumb it down" option. But if that's what the majority want, then so be it.High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
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We're not retreating... we're advancing in a different direction !0 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Games? I was referring to ESO - this MMO. And the trend has certainly been to nerf content. Would you deny that?[Then why on earth should you care, since you admit it wouldn't bother you either way? Yet obviously you do, or you'd have not bothered opposing the choice.
I opposed the choice because I don't think it would be good for ESO in general. I'd rather do/choose what I think is best for the community, not what's best for me ! (if everybody thought that way this would be without question the best gaming community of any MMO)
You're certainly welcome to that opinion, but can you not see that the current trend is further nerfing of all content for all players - including you?
Is that good for ESO? Wouldn't a better alternative be a toggle that players could choose, vice the almighty nerf-hammer for your beloved difficult content?
You're making this crap up. The trend in NOT to make games easier.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭No
Games? I was referring to ESO - this MMO. And the trend has certainly been to nerf content. Would you deny that?[Then why on earth should you care, since you admit it wouldn't bother you either way? Yet obviously you do, or you'd have not bothered opposing the choice.
I opposed the choice because I don't think it would be good for ESO in general. I'd rather do/choose what I think is best for the community, not what's best for me ! (if everybody thought that way this would be without question the best gaming community of any MMO)
You're certainly welcome to that opinion, but can you not see that the current trend is further nerfing of all content for all players - including you?
Is that good for ESO? Wouldn't a better alternative be a toggle that players could choose, vice the almighty nerf-hammer for your beloved difficult content?
You're making this crap up. The trend in NOT to make games easier.
Debating with you is like trying to herd cats. Your whole supposition a minute ago was that the demand is for easier content and that ESO is following that demand. My supposition is that the demand in not for easier content and any further dumbing down would destroy the game especially if it is dumbed down to the point that you can get your character through quests that the vast majority breezed through. Doesn't that fact alone make you think "maybe I'm doing something wrong"?1 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Sorry it is so difficult for you to follow.Debating with you is like trying to herd cats.
... as the evidence in ESO since its launch clearly indicates, or will you assert that content has become more difficult over time?our whole supposition a minute ago was that the demand is for easier content and that ESO is following that demand.
Then why on earth would you not support a difficulty slider, vice having the game nerf-hammered overall - for everyone, as has been the case to date?My supposition is that the demand in not for easier content and any further dumbing down would destroy the game especially if it is dumbed down to the point that you can get your character through quests that the vast majority breezed through.
It's simple: We face two choices (assuming the developers allow the first one):Doesn't that fact alone make you think "maybe I'm doing something wrong"?- Allow players to choose difficulty
- Watch the game overall continue to get nerfed.
Which do you prefer?
Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭No
Sorry it is so difficult for you to follow.Debating with you is like trying to herd cats.
... as the evidence in ESO since its launch clearly indicates, or will you assert that content has become more difficult over time?our whole supposition a minute ago was that the demand is for easier content and that ESO is following that demand.
Then why on earth would you not support a difficulty slider, vice having the game nerf-hammered overall - for everyone, as has been the case to date?My supposition is that the demand in not for easier content and any further dumbing down would destroy the game especially if it is dumbed down to the point that you can get your character through quests that the vast majority breezed through.
It's simple: We face two choices (assuming the developers allow the first one):Doesn't that fact alone make you think "maybe I'm doing something wrong"?- Allow players to choose difficulty
- Watch the game overall continue to get nerfed.
Which do you prefer?
The technically possible one. Would you rather have a new car or an imaginary flying unicorn?Edited by Hilgara on July 4, 2014 3:46PM2 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
This is 2014, and it is certainly technically possible.The technically possible one. Would you rather have a new car or a flying unicorn?
But I see you chose Number 2. That being the case, please don't waste time posting complaints in the future, when you get your wish.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Digiman✭✭✭✭✭NoNo would rather a difficulty for all. Believe me you don't want an ES difficulty slider as it won't affect combat just the damage you get and inflict.1 -
Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭No
No its not. Every single player who had the bar incremental different from any other player would need to be in their own instance. It would no longer be an MMO. It would be lots of single player game all on the same server and that would be much easer done by just making another TES game.Edited by Hilgara on July 4, 2014 3:52PM2 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Incorrect. The developers would need, at most, three separate instances for three separate difficulty settings. It would be a relatively simple algorithm.
No its not. Every single player who had the bar incremental different from any other player would need to be in their own instance.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭No
Incorrect. The developers would need, at most, three separate instances for three separate difficulty settings. It would be a relatively simple algorithm.
No its not. Every single player who had the bar incremental different from any other player would need to be in their own instance.
Except that the main complaint isn't the bosses are too hard its that the trash it to hard. If you had been following this debate you would have realised that most people accept that the bosses are SUPPOSED to be hard but that the trash shouldn't be. If you are struggling to get past Molag Bol the skeever in vet are gonna hand you your arse on a plate when you eventually get there.Edited by Hilgara on July 4, 2014 3:58PM1 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes
Incorrect. The developers would need, at most, three separate instances for three separate difficulty settings. It would be a relatively simple algorithm.
No its not. Every single player who had the bar incremental different from any other player would need to be in their own instance.
Except that the main complaint isn't the bosses are too hard its that the trash it to hard. If you had been following this debate you would have realised that most people accept that the bosses are SUPPOSED to be hard but that the trash shouldn't be. If you are struggling to get past Molag Bol the skeever in vet are gonna hand you your arse on a plate when you eventually get there.
lol, got it. The one part you seem to be missing in all of this is that my stance is, and has always been, facilitating player-choice, in all aspects of this game.
And if player choice isn't facilitated, we'll see what we've seen to date: Universal nerfing of content.
And then predictably the elitists will come here to bellyache about it, oblivious to the fact that they brought it on themselves by opposing player choice at all costs.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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