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Last nail in the coffin ....
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LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭
I love TESO. I am one of those who is supporting it full on in this first year at least.
^Proud beta-tester for a stable and working game for the console-kiddies.
I prefer not to pay to be a beta-tester...2 -
ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭Black-Bird wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »Black-Bird wrote: »Type "Eso is" into google see what comes up.
eso is...
eso is bad
eso issues
eso is dead
eso is amazing
3/4 negative.
/rests case
You'd get similar results with just about any mmo you put in.
"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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Pmarsico9✭✭✭✭
Ultra casual players with no value for their monthly sub fees ruin games. They ruined wow and they will ruin this. There is no two ways about it:GosbsiTheDog wrote: »Fairydragon3 wrote: »Three months is not a lot of time
In video games, three months is several triple A titles. Gamers go to whatever is perceived to be the next big thing.
Some, a portion of, go to whatever is perceived to be the next big thing. Those described as wanting something that exactly fits their mentality, have it changed upon DEMAND, IMMEDIATELY or they will stomp out/quit -- those who perhaps did not closely pay attention to where they put their money in the first place or why...THOSE players swarm to the next big thing. Atypical consumers.
There are lots of different focus groups for mmo markets.
---There are kinds of players who reasonably stay with a game if its fun for probs up to a year before making a committed decision
---There are some who leave with full intention to come back and resub in x amount of months giving it time to season
---There are those who really looked forward to it but who are MMO vets and know the reality of the first months of a launch and literally do NOT sub up until the game has been out 6 months
---There are those who enjoy having two main/prime market MMO's to play alternatively
---There are those enjoy mostly F2P as it fits their budget and has the very familiar mechanics they are used to, and many of which have those Cash Stores
I love TESO. I am one of those who is supporting it full on in this first year at least. I'm laid back for the most part, and have a whole lot of other fun going on in my life. I see the Zeni staff working at fixes, I see they have specific intent which is important to me and exudes stability as far as long term plans go instead of bending and twisting with every single shout from discomfitted gamers. Thats called confidence. Listening to suggestions, yet sticking out the course for their original plan of attack...that creates confidence in a typical consumer looking for fun gaming entertainment as well.
Short attention spans, needing immediate gratification, feeling adrift if not catered to -- all pointers to high stress and bad health.
*Passes a recreational bowl of fun, some reallllly good pita bread, sensational pepper-cheese hummus mix and settles back...
If the game is unplayable due to bugs and the developer won't even offer free game time for the downtime then there's something seriously wrong. I subbed for 6 months and cannot get better than 2 fps since 1.2.4. You are crazy if you think that is remotely close to being worth a sub. No issues prior to the patch. But it's OK since you don't care to positively reinforce a developers behavior in the goddammit cs forums.......get a life. Go wax poetic in the general forums where nobody will read your diarrhea.
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DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭To the blind defenders:
Every MMO that has ever failed, been closed, lost all it's subscribers, lost all it's customers, or been put on life support had the following:
Blind defending fans that said "just give them more time". Right until the exact moment the forums were shut down and the game servers were powered off.
Every single one that failed had this. It's not helping. Learn from history. Stop giving them a free pass. Three months is a ridiculous amount of time to fix the things broken in ESO, and they're not fixed yet.
All you're doing by giving them a free pass is extending the pain. It's their job, and they're failing at it. Guess what happens to employees that fail at their job and companies that fail to provide the service they're getting paid for? Yeah.. that happens.
It isn't blind defending. It's having a basic understanding of how and what it takes to resolve software bugs.
Name me one game that is online that is bug free? I'll even give you as much time as you want to come up with an answer cause you can't. Even games like Ultima Online and Everquest still have bugs that to some people are game breaking. Every fix will break something else.
You figure even if there are only 10k people left playing. That is still 10k possible different system setups. 10k chances for any change in their code for something to be broken. Each test/upgrade then takes weeks to roll out.1 -
ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭Black-Bird wrote: »3 months in you would find a "dead"?
Similar does not equal Same.Edited by ShedsHisTail on July 3, 2014 7:49PM"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
Have you seen the Twin Lamps?0 -
KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭@DMuehlhausen
I posed a question to you earlier in this thread
to quote myself:
To add to your last statement when have you been in a MMO where a bug like take the FPS bug for example has either A made it live or B been around for 8+days? eagerly awaiting your reply which Im guessing will be something like " If you don't like it unsub" which to save you some time I already have.
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KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »You figure even if there are only 10k people left playing. That is still 10k possible different system setups. 10k chances for any change in their code for something to be broken. Each test/upgrade then takes weeks to roll out.
Where was the testing on the last patch???? seemed like they smashed it through in time to get out for drinks that night have you seen the size of the bug list?
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sajackson✭✭✭Black-Bird wrote: »3 months in you would find a "dead"?
Haters were saying that before the game even went live. Isn't really indicative of anything.
Opinions are like arseholes, everyone's got them.0 -
NoirJ✭✭✭
Yep, understood. For some this past week has been cruddy. It seems that ZOS sees the player suggestions, already knows what they need to do, and are implementing it in a way which will make a difference. Hard to have patience when you just want to simply play for a few hours but feel its all frickked up. Here's to Zeni staff getting the lag/way game is running for some folks corrected soon.
Its been longer than a week that the performance issues have been present.
Player suggestions have nothing to do with fixing a faulty product, they have no idea what to do or it would have already been addressed.
I have been sold something so theres the initial cost and as part of that product ZOS provide a service on top of that which we all pay a monthly sub.
I along with a lot of other people are unable to make use of that service due to the issues with the product.
Its my firm belief that the people constantly making excuses for the delivery of a service which is not fit for purpose do not have real world experience, I say this because if they did and then they would also understand peoples issues the current state of the game.
Theres a complete lack of regular updates from ZOS, no valid road map of where they need to go, no proper incident, problem of change management, because if there was they wouldn't have realised a patch on to a live service with out proper risk assessment, UAT and a back out plan.
ZOS is an IT services company, they are unable to provide the service, if it wasn't for the odd way the gaming community behaves they wouldn't have a business.
"Its been longer than a week that the performance issues have been present.
Player suggestions have nothing to do with fixing a faulty product, they have no idea what to do or it would have already been addressed."
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I don't know. You may be construing a LOT. This Zeni staff is not comprised only of youthful and enthusiastic but-with-no-experience developers. The combined crew here has years of experience. They are not 'green'. They are not likely to be lazing around having brews and grinning at our p-o'd frustrations over difficulties faced in game right now either. They are pros for the most part doing their best, or wanting to but having to do their job within the parameters set out by the topmost executives of the company.
I personally don't know the suits/funders involved behind the scenes, do you? But I am definitely certain based on life experience that the power in decision making lies there, not from the front line as is often the case in MANY industries. Tech folks input should often be valued above all else regarding the product; in real life, that is not the way it works.
The day we are privy to the machinations which occurred with original intent before the game even started into official Beta, and creative design notwithstanding the budget considerations, in addition to what the company executives have outlined to be 'carried out' today is the day we can all start commenting with true clarity on why fixes are not being done in the time frame some of us would like.
Things are being worked on. I prefer my glasses half-full, and I would rather look for something good to happen than take the status quo and screw it realllll tight, making sure I affect everyone around me with negativity.
C'est la vie; keep at it Zeni, there are many players greatly enjoying your product. And we know that you know there are improvements to be made, and some of that 'we' don't expect it by noon tomorrow. Just keep at it!
Firstly if you don't have an issue please but out as you aren't helping, the glass is always full and don't sell me a product and service that doesn't worm properly.
There have been multiple issues reported since beta I know as I was one of the people reporting the issues, so no I am not construing anything.
If ZOS want people to take then seriously then they should step up, not hide behind a wall of silence, with the occasion vague post. If I tried that in my line of work I would be out of a job.
We have no idea whats being looked at, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO UPDATES!
I would like to enjoy thee game but as of the last patch I cant even log in. So please keep silly posts like one quoted to yourself unless you have anything to actually contribute to resolving the issue or an update that you're aware of.
And that goes for the other fan-boys as well, let those of us that are having major issues with the game be able to tell ZOS whats going on, even thought they seem to be ignoring them, with out people jumping in to tell us we shouldn't be using a Customer Services Forum to do so.
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Cously✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's simply a point of view matter:
You pay $60+$15 for the flawless final product. (Tis leads to frustration)
You pay $80+$15x12 for the game potential. (Tis leads to patience)
I give the game a year of subscription. There's only 3 outcomes: Go FTP, estabilish itself as a solid P2P or shut down forever. Being a gambler and an ES fan I'll bet on the solid P2P.
That's how you have to look at this game if you want to stay. You are paying for the potential. And I think the game got lots of potential if the right decisions are made. And decisions unfortunately takes longer than we think due businessmen's whims. It's an investment on a product that should been labelled early access, alpha or something.
And don't blame the developers. They definately are not getting the big money. If I was a gaming programmer I'd never want to put on my resume a failed game. No one wins with that. And If I was a gaming programmer and the fixes I have in my mind to put in the game are being delayed because the businessman that owns the company couldn't pick the call in the weekend because busy with his family skiing in the alpes, hell I'd be put off working. Who can work like that?
Blame the right people, look through the right point. Will hurt less.1 -
NoirJ✭✭✭And don't blame the developers. They definately are not getting the big money. If I was a gaming programmer I'd never want to put on my resume a failed game. No one wins with that. And If I was a gaming programmer and the fixes I have in my mind to put in the game are being delayed because the businessman that owns the company couldn't pick the call in the weekend because busy with his family skiing in the alpes, hell I'd be put off working. Who can work like that?
Blame the right people, look through the right point. Will hurt less.
I'm sorry but what planet are you on....wow just wow, if you have a problem port what it is not some Hollywood idea of how a business runs....
Skiing in the alps...../facepalm0 -
Cously✭✭✭✭✭
✭And don't blame the developers. They definately are not getting the big money. If I was a gaming programmer I'd never want to put on my resume a failed game. No one wins with that. And If I was a gaming programmer and the fixes I have in my mind to put in the game are being delayed because the businessman that owns the company couldn't pick the call in the weekend because busy with his family skiing in the alpes, hell I'd be put off working. Who can work like that?
Blame the right people, look through the right point. Will hurt less.
I'm sorry but what planet are you on....wow just wow, if you have a problem port what it is not some Hollywood idea of how a business runs....
Skiing in the alps...../facepalm
I live in the most corrupt country in the world with the worst companies in the world. I know exactly how a bad business is ran and what these men are capable off and not only one of them do play games. Closer they get to a PC screen is on the stock market.
Fine example is KOTOR II, developers had great plans but were rushed due pressures from businessman to release the "kid's toy" on xmas. The game got totally botched and had potential for a masterpiece. I won't even touch on EA case of how a company shouldn't be run and how people that have the money have no idea about what games are about ruins great games. Hell, Bioware.
I'm sorry, you have no arguments.1 -
NoirJ✭✭✭And don't blame the developers. They definately are not getting the big money. If I was a gaming programmer I'd never want to put on my resume a failed game. No one wins with that. And If I was a gaming programmer and the fixes I have in my mind to put in the game are being delayed because the businessman that owns the company couldn't pick the call in the weekend because busy with his family skiing in the alpes, hell I'd be put off working. Who can work like that?
Blame the right people, look through the right point. Will hurt less.
I'm sorry but what planet are you on....wow just wow, if you have a problem port what it is not some Hollywood idea of how a business runs....
Skiing in the alps...../facepalm
I live in the most corrupt country in the world with the worst companies in the world. I know exactly how a bad business is ran and what these men are capable off and not only one of them do play games. Closer they get to a PC screen is on the stock market.
Fine example is KOTOR II, developers had great plans but were rushed due pressures from businessman to release the "kid's toy" on xmas. The game got totally botched and had potential for a masterpiece. I won't even touch on EA case of how a company shouldn't be run and how people that have the money have no idea about what games are about ruins great games. Hell, Bioware.
I'm sorry, you have no arguments.
I very much doubt your first statement. Unless you live in Somalia, North Korean or Afghanistan.
Please do give real life examples not anecdotal stories. KOTOR II was a fairly good game, it got good reviews from critics and sold well. I played it myself.
So again it may have been bad in the Fringe Universe you're currently in, and say hi to Walter for me.
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KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
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I very much doubt your first statement.
Please do give real life examples not anecdotal stories. KOTOR II was a fairly good game, it got good reviews from critics and sold well. I played it myself.
So again it may have been bad in the Fringe Universe you're currently in, and say hi to Walter for me.
Good god you didnt play KOTOR II or you would know what he meant. You didn't get an ending because it was so rushed to release date.
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Cously✭✭✭✭✭
✭And don't blame the developers. They definately are not getting the big money. If I was a gaming programmer I'd never want to put on my resume a failed game. No one wins with that. And If I was a gaming programmer and the fixes I have in my mind to put in the game are being delayed because the businessman that owns the company couldn't pick the call in the weekend because busy with his family skiing in the alpes, hell I'd be put off working. Who can work like that?
Blame the right people, look through the right point. Will hurt less.
I'm sorry but what planet are you on....wow just wow, if you have a problem port what it is not some Hollywood idea of how a business runs....
Skiing in the alps...../facepalm
I live in the most corrupt country in the world with the worst companies in the world. I know exactly how a bad business is ran and what these men are capable off and not only one of them do play games. Closer they get to a PC screen is on the stock market.
Fine example is KOTOR II, developers had great plans but were rushed due pressures from businessman to release the "kid's toy" on xmas. The game got totally botched and had potential for a masterpiece. I won't even touch on EA case of how a company shouldn't be run and how people that have the money have no idea about what games are about ruins great games. Hell, Bioware.
I'm sorry, you have no arguments.
I very much doubt your first statement.
Please do give real life examples not anecdotal stories. KOTOR II was a fairly good game, it got good reviews from critics and sold well. I played it myself.
So again it may have been bad in the Fringe Universe you're currently in, and say hi to Walter for me.
You didn't play till the end. Or didn't have enough brains to follow the plot.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cut_content_from_Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_II:_The_Sith_Lords
You are the one following Hollywood glorified visions and IGN most likely. Just get an informed opinion on titles like Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age 2 and many others that suffered due decisions of people that have absolutely no idea of what a video game is.
So you are the one that has to come out of the Fringe and stop watching all these TV shows you remark. TV is not the real world, lad. On the good side, was a very good show, and very intelligent. I'm surprised you supposely beared to watch.2 -
sajackson✭✭✭If people don't like the game why don't they just cancel their sub. The annoying thing is that they seem to feel like they need to come on the forums and try to convince everyone else to leave too, almost as if they need approval from the rest of the world for their actions.
Just do what you gotta do, but keep the negativity to yourselves.1 -
KBKB✭✭✭✭✭
✭If people don't like the game why don't they just cancel their sub. The annoying thing is that they seem to feel like they need to come on the forums and try to convince everyone else to leave too, almost as if they need approval from the rest of the world for their actions.
Just do what you gotta do, but keep the negativity to yourselves.
This is a good post but..
I myself have paid $150 for a game that lasted me 3 months. Not because I wasn't enjoying it, because there were so many epic screw ups making the game unplayable at times. You can browse around the forum a lot of the issues are well documented. These are the forums for that company that wasted my money and crushed my hopes for an Elder Scrolls MMO. It is really the best place for us to vent/rage at why it ended up this way. Hopefully the devs will take notice of such a *** job they are doing and get their act together.2 -
ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭If people don't like the game why don't they just cancel their sub. The annoying thing is that they seem to feel like they need to come on the forums and try to convince everyone else to leave too, almost as if they need approval from the rest of the world for their actions.
Just do what you gotta do, but keep the negativity to yourselves.
The issue isn't, really, that people don't like the game. It's that people don't like specific aspects of a game they truly -want- to love.
It's like being a fan of a sports team in a year that they're terrible. You *** and moan about how bad they're playing, you suggest they change their line up or trade this guy or that, etc. So you, maybe, don't go to the games anymore, but you don't stop being a fan.
That's what's happening here. That's why you see people saying, "I'm cancelling my subscription until (insert pet peeve game fix)." These folks -want- to keep playing the game, but it's just not living up to their expectations at this point.
The people who truly just don't like the game; they quietly un-sub with no intent to come back.
"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
Have you seen the Twin Lamps?6 -
NoirJ✭✭✭Yes I played to the ending, where you fly off in to the blackness of space...you see I am not one of those people that need closure in everything, I like open endings.
Played this on when it came out and had a blast.
Ahem, Customer Service Forums, where it clearly states:If people don't like the game why don't they just cancel their sub. The annoying thing is that they seem to feel like they need to come on the forums and try to convince everyone else to leave too, almost as if they need approval from the rest of the world for their actions.
Just do what you gotta do, but keep the negativity to yourselves.
Find assistance for in-game and technical problems.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]Edited by ZOS_SilviaS on July 4, 2014 12:35AM1 -
NoirJ✭✭✭
A case of attack the poster not the argument, so I'm brainless am I? I don't need happy fluffy endings that sort everything out, you know why because life's not like that.You didn't play till the end. Or didn't have enough brains to follow the plot.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cut_content_from_Star_Wars:_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_II:_The_Sith_Lords
You are the one following Hollywood glorified visions and IGN most likely. Just get an informed opinion on titles like Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age 2 and many others that suffered due decisions of people that have absolutely no idea of what a video game is.
So you are the one that has to come out of the Fringe and stop watching all these TV shows you remark. TV is not the real world, lad. On the good side, was a very good show, and very intelligent. I'm surprised you supposely beared to watch.
I don't have a Television I only buy box sets I like, and don't patronise me by calling me lad, I'm in my 40s, I have a high level job and am time poor, what time I do have I like to game and as it stands I cant even log in since the last patch so I suggest that your sire keep you ill informed opinions to yourself and when if ever we do require them we will let you know....Pfff.1 -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭
Ultra casual players with no value for their monthly sub fees ruin games. They ruined wow and they will ruin this. There is no two ways about it:GosbsiTheDog wrote: »Fairydragon3 wrote: »Three months is not a lot of time
In video games, three months is several triple A titles. Gamers go to whatever is perceived to be the next big thing.
Some, a portion of, go to whatever is perceived to be the next big thing. Those described as wanting something that exactly fits their mentality, have it changed upon DEMAND, IMMEDIATELY or they will stomp out/quit -- those who perhaps did not closely pay attention to where they put their money in the first place or why...THOSE players swarm to the next big thing. Atypical consumers.
There are lots of different focus groups for mmo markets.
---There are kinds of players who reasonably stay with a game if its fun for probs up to a year before making a committed decision
---There are some who leave with full intention to come back and resub in x amount of months giving it time to season
---There are those who really looked forward to it but who are MMO vets and know the reality of the first months of a launch and literally do NOT sub up until the game has been out 6 months
---There are those who enjoy having two main/prime market MMO's to play alternatively
---There are those enjoy mostly F2P as it fits their budget and has the very familiar mechanics they are used to, and many of which have those Cash Stores
I love TESO. I am one of those who is supporting it full on in this first year at least. I'm laid back for the most part, and have a whole lot of other fun going on in my life. I see the Zeni staff working at fixes, I see they have specific intent which is important to me and exudes stability as far as long term plans go instead of bending and twisting with every single shout from discomfitted gamers. Thats called confidence. Listening to suggestions, yet sticking out the course for their original plan of attack...that creates confidence in a typical consumer looking for fun gaming entertainment as well.
Short attention spans, needing immediate gratification, feeling adrift if not catered to -- all pointers to high stress and bad health.
*Passes a recreational bowl of fun, some reallllly good pita bread, sensational pepper-cheese hummus mix and settles back...
If the game is unplayable due to bugs and the developer won't even offer free game time for the downtime then there's something seriously wrong. I subbed for 6 months and cannot get better than 2 fps since 1.2.4. You are crazy if you think that is remotely close to being worth a sub. No issues prior to the patch. But it's OK since you don't care to positively reinforce a developers behavior in the goddammit cs forums.......get a life. Go wax poetic in the general forums where nobody will read your diarrhea.
Enjoy the upcoming changes from July 7th on. I really do hope Zeni somehow addresses, for those that seem to be affected, the frustrating lag issues also along with making VR content more 'comfortable'.
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Pmarsico9✭✭✭✭Enjoy the upcoming changes from July 7th on. I really do hope Zeni somehow addresses, for those that seem to be affected, the frustrating lag issues also along with making VR content more 'comfortable'.
You don't seem to get it, and neither does Zenimax, there's a MAJOR ISSUE with the Client. It's not some mild FPS thing.
The client has a major memory leak in it. When you can get it running, it works for about 10 minutes then drops to 2 FPS.
It's not like some little issue here, it's the fact that I'm paying monthly for a game that doesn't work and despite numerous calls to ZOS I can't talk to anybody authorized to issue me game time despite the fact THAT I CAN'T PLAY THE GAME.
The customer service is terrible. I didn't ask for a refund. I wouldn't have purchased a 6 month sub following launch if I didn't love and believe in the game. I simply asked that if my client isn't working, I get treated like a human and not a vending machine.
You don't come into a CS forum and start crapping rainbows everywhere. I'm willing to deal with other bugs. But when you straight up can't do more than log in once a day and do your crafting and feed your horse because the game turns unplayable like clockwork after about 10 minutes, then that's something where yes, somebody deserves to be treated as a customer. Not a clown.
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reggielee✭✭✭✭fair enough, sad to see you go. You put in some time and shame to waste your high level character. the good news if you hear on the grapevine that things have changed you can come back and resume play right from the get go
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭Enjoy the upcoming changes from July 7th on. I really do hope Zeni somehow addresses, for those that seem to be affected, the frustrating lag issues also along with making VR content more 'comfortable'.
You don't seem to get it, and neither does Zenimax, there's a MAJOR ISSUE with the Client. It's not some mild FPS thing.
The client has a major memory leak in it. When you can get it running, it works for about 10 minutes then drops to 2 FPS.
It's not like some little issue here, it's the fact that I'm paying monthly for a game that doesn't work and despite numerous calls to ZOS I can't talk to anybody authorized to issue me game time despite the fact THAT I CAN'T PLAY THE GAME.
The customer service is terrible. I didn't ask for a refund. I wouldn't have purchased a 6 month sub following launch if I didn't love and believe in the game. I simply asked that if my client isn't working, I get treated like a human and not a vending machine.
You don't come into a CS forum and start crapping rainbows everywhere. I'm willing to deal with other bugs. But when you straight up can't do more than log in once a day and do your crafting and feed your horse because the game turns unplayable like clockwork after about 10 minutes, then that's something where yes, somebody deserves to be treated as a customer. Not a clown.
Le sigh. I def 'get it.' I have stated support in several of my posts for those who are having difficulty with their rigs/systems/getting TESO to play as it did before #X patch was initiated. I have one friend who also is having recent difficulty and misses being able to enjoy PvP very much.
*Uses make-up remover to wipe away red rouge and white facepaint, wishes Pmarsico9 swift help with getting his game back on, and grabs some damn good Rye while settling down to puzzle out how to earn some side income from her newly acquired ability to crap colorful glittery rainbows 'everywhere'...
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✭✭✭✭✭I agree with the OP. Personally ive decided not to renew my subscription when that ends. I will go to archeage and see how things are there..maybe one day Ill give eso another try, if its still running.
PC EU
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