TESO is a blast with a thriving community!

Irakandji · July 2014

I too agree with this post. Helpful people seem to be around and social activity also seems to be high in the hub towns.

There are, however, some people missing;
- the campers on bosses
- gatherers running in big circles
- zone chatters with conversations about body parts or functions
- characters that run around you dropping Aoes to no purpose
- Names that proclaim the humor of a hockey teams locker room

Now, I know that these folks were contributing to the gaming universe though their insightful observations of game play and software design. I was truly impressed on their deep knowledge of system operations. There is no question that they improved the game via the cacophony of their endless parroting various contradictory demands in forums and /zone. Yes, they shall be sorely missed.

However ....

I can now enjoy the veteran contend, and the interesting stuff there. I actually find chests in dungeons now! Oh whow there are heavy sacks in there too. Damn!!! ... that solo boss is actually there too and what is this?.... They have dialogue, the story and those notes I picked up actually hang together in a narrative....

Yes those people will be missed.

Srugzal · July 2014

adam.s.jonesub17_ESO wrote: »

sarcasm ftw? I love the game it is a blast but thriving community? The game world is empty and these forums are vile poison pits.

Fortunately, the forums aren't the game, and no, the game world is NOT empty. Even at 3am eastern there were people all over the place. And yet, it's possible now to do a "solo" dungeon SOLO, except for the occasional VR12 guy slumming ;-)

Madval · July 2014

I'm enjoying it too

one of the best game ! Fabulous !

Maverick827 · July 2014

wrlifeboil wrote: »

skwornub18_ESO wrote: »

Yes I mean it. I haven't had this much fun playing an MMO since the early days of EQ1. Here are the reasons why.

1. Solo play actually means something, 1-50 you get an awesome story line with A-list voice overs and nearly everything is voiced. Add to that a quality narrative with great humor and inside jokes, for those paying attention, makes for a blast of a ride to 50.

2. Solo VR content is actually a challenge, not the hardest but definitely a challenge, some content more then others but there is usually an in game work around. This has allowed me to be very creative with game mechanics and often receive a feeling of accomplishment when I finally do find success on the "over-tweaked" mobs. Though I would like to see a little more XP gain for VR solo content or at least more quests options to allow better solo VR gain than grinding mobs.

3. The population is thriving. I don't know where those "who see no one play" are but in the VR 1 through 8 zones I have been in there has always been plenty of players, such that when I do a world mob call I nearly always get the support I need. In fact I usually don't have to ask because there are groups asking already in all the VR zones.

4. The ADDONS are amazing and well supported, again I see many say they are dead but the addons I use are nearly all updated and the old ones still work so they do not need updated. Oh, I should add I currently have 34 addons installed, I think that makes a pretty good sampling.

5. PVP rocks, ok, yes some FPS issues and some farming / nightcapping going on but the PVP and campaigns in TESO are the best I have played imho. Hell sometimes I just watch the map to see all the action going on in Cyrodil. Wabba is the place to be! I should note here that I do agree some campaigns are a bit light so fewer might be better or some new structure. Will wait to see what the next changes bring.

Seriously I could go on but this is enough wall of text. I have seen several very negative posts that I just do not agree with so I felt something a little more positive was warranted.

The game to me is honestly one of the best I have played and brings back old memories of the "wild west" days when MMOs were new, bugs and all. Some of these bugs just add to the charm. Learn to enjoy the ones which are not game breaking, they may end up being your best memories. For example silver bolt, people will be laughing about that for years and telling stories for just as long in game. Why vamps just didn't get cured was beyond me. I refuse to use either vamp or WW, all human for me that is my small bit of RP.

Lastly sorry for the wall of text.

Which megaserver and what time do you play? I'd like to see what a populated VR zone looks like.

Yeah, that part of his post was completely off.

Enjinir · July 2014

It's the strangest thing.

I read a lot of the forum posts, and I've started posting some discussions. Everything you see on here is laced with hatred for the game and the developers. It's almost like there are so few people who are actually enjoying the game. It makes you feel depressed that the game you were looking forward to for so long came out in such poor condition.

Then you close out of the forums, with a heavy heart. You log in, bracing yourself for bugs/breaks/imbalances/etc. You traipse along, expecting the worst. Then it happens. You start having fun. You start getting enveloped in the amazing storyline. You do some crafting, planning out the exact style, trait and enchantment you want for your gear. You go find a dungeon that nobody asked you to go to, and you delve into its depths for no reason other than adventure.

And then you log off and go back to the forums, and you make this post. One accepting that the game has its flaws, but at the end of the day, it is everything that a game I want to pay for monthly has to be: fun, engaging, deep, and evolving.

I, for one, am absolutely loving this game.

shadowz081 · July 2014

Personally I'm mostly enjoying it, save for the invisible mobs and random lag spikes...

I would also ask that they replace blur on the NB assassination tree with something a bit more useful, at the moment it doesn't really seem worth it.

Other than that, I'm enjoying it fine.

Skwor · July 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

wrlifeboil wrote: »

...
Which megaserver and what time do you play? I'd like to see what a populated VR zone looks like.

Yeah, that part of his post was completely off.

I play on the NA server and yes I have seen no population issues in the VR1 thru 8 zones. I stand by those words. In fact I still get irritated at times trying to solo a dungeon only to be joined by several others and have to fight for chests and harvests, but that is the game.

dcincali · July 2014

This biggest issue I have is the timeline to get anything done. You expect something to get patched, plan on 2 weeks. If you don't expect anything else, you are never disappointed.

htoncic · July 2014

Look at all these fanbois patting each other on the back. 'Agrees' and 'awesomes' galore. Well, I sincerely hope you casuals can form a player base large enough to keep the servers running.

Now give me my 'LOLs' of disagreement.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · July 2014

skwornub18_ESO wrote: »

Yes I mean it. I haven't had this much fun playing an MMO since the early days of EQ1. Here are the reasons why.

1. Solo play actually means something, 1-50 you get an awesome story line with A-list voice overs and nearly everything is voiced. Add to that a quality narrative with great humor and inside jokes, for those paying attention, makes for a blast of a ride to 50.

2. Solo VR content is actually a challenge, not the hardest but definitely a challenge, some content more then others but there is usually an in game work around. This has allowed me to be very creative with game mechanics and often receive a feeling of accomplishment when I finally do find success on the "over-tweaked" mobs. Though I would like to see a little more XP gain for VR solo content or at least more quests options to allow better solo VR gain than grinding mobs.

3. The population is thriving. I don't know where those "who see no one play" are but in the VR 1 through 8 zones I have been in there has always been plenty of players, such that when I do a world mob call I nearly always get the support I need. In fact I usually don't have to ask because there are groups asking already in all the VR zones.

4. The ADDONS are amazing and well supported, again I see many say they are dead but the addons I use are nearly all updated and the old ones still work so they do not need updated. Oh, I should add I currently have 34 addons installed, I think that makes a pretty good sampling.

5. PVP rocks, ok, yes some FPS issues and some farming / nightcapping going on but the PVP and campaigns in TESO are the best I have played imho. Hell sometimes I just watch the map to see all the action going on in Cyrodil. Wabba is the place to be! I should note here that I do agree some campaigns are a bit light so fewer might be better or some new structure. Will wait to see what the next changes bring.

Seriously I could go on but this is enough wall of text. I have seen several very negative posts that I just do not agree with so I felt something a little more positive was warranted.

The game to me is honestly one of the best I have played and brings back old memories of the "wild west" days when MMOs were new, bugs and all. Some of these bugs just add to the charm. Learn to enjoy the ones which are not game breaking, they may end up being your best memories. For example silver bolt, people will be laughing about that for years and telling stories for just as long in game. Why vamps just didn't get cured was beyond me. I refuse to use either vamp or WW, all human for me that is my small bit of RP.

Lastly sorry for the wall of text.

I cant believe you actually typed all those lies to make this game look good. You win fanboi of the week.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · July 2014

Enjinir wrote: »

It's the strangest thing.

I read a lot of the forum posts, and I've started posting some discussions. Everything you see on here is laced with hatred for the game and the developers. It's almost like there are so few people who are actually enjoying the game. It makes you feel depressed that the game you were looking forward to for so long came out in such poor condition.

Then you close out of the forums, with a heavy heart. You log in, bracing yourself for bugs/breaks/imbalances/etc. You traipse along, expecting the worst. Then it happens. You start having fun. You start getting enveloped in the amazing storyline. You do some crafting, planning out the exact style, trait and enchantment you want for your gear. You go find a dungeon that nobody asked you to go to, and you delve into its depths for no reason other than adventure.

And then you log off and go back to the forums, and you make this post. One accepting that the game has its flaws, but at the end of the day, it is everything that a game I want to pay for monthly has to be: fun, engaging, deep, and evolving.

I, for one, am absolutely loving this game.

The best way to combat this, is actually pay attention to who is posting what. You will quickly see that a majority of the threads are the same 5-8 people ovet and over again. Be them fanbois or haters.

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

skwornub18_ESO wrote: »

Yes I mean it. I haven't had this much fun playing an MMO since the early days of EQ1. Here are the reasons why.

1. Solo play actually means something, 1-50 you get an awesome story line with A-list voice overs and nearly everything is voiced. Add to that a quality narrative with great humor and inside jokes, for those paying attention, makes for a blast of a ride to 50.

2. Solo VR content is actually a challenge, not the hardest but definitely a challenge, some content more then others but there is usually an in game work around. This has allowed me to be very creative with game mechanics and often receive a feeling of accomplishment when I finally do find success on the "over-tweaked" mobs. Though I would like to see a little more XP gain for VR solo content or at least more quests options to allow better solo VR gain than grinding mobs.

3. The population is thriving. I don't know where those "who see no one play" are but in the VR 1 through 8 zones I have been in there has always been plenty of players, such that when I do a world mob call I nearly always get the support I need. In fact I usually don't have to ask because there are groups asking already in all the VR zones.

4. The ADDONS are amazing and well supported, again I see many say they are dead but the addons I use are nearly all updated and the old ones still work so they do not need updated. Oh, I should add I currently have 34 addons installed, I think that makes a pretty good sampling.

5. PVP rocks, ok, yes some FPS issues and some farming / nightcapping going on but the PVP and campaigns in TESO are the best I have played imho. Hell sometimes I just watch the map to see all the action going on in Cyrodil. Wabba is the place to be! I should note here that I do agree some campaigns are a bit light so fewer might be better or some new structure. Will wait to see what the next changes bring.

Seriously I could go on but this is enough wall of text. I have seen several very negative posts that I just do not agree with so I felt something a little more positive was warranted.

The game to me is honestly one of the best I have played and brings back old memories of the "wild west" days when MMOs were new, bugs and all. Some of these bugs just add to the charm. Learn to enjoy the ones which are not game breaking, they may end up being your best memories. For example silver bolt, people will be laughing about that for years and telling stories for just as long in game. Why vamps just didn't get cured was beyond me. I refuse to use either vamp or WW, all human for me that is my small bit of RP.

Lastly sorry for the wall of text.

I cant believe you actually typed all those lies to make this game look good. You win fanboi of the week.

Right on time.

rynth · July 2014

One of the things I love a lot about this game and hate too lol is going out in the wild towards a quest and then I see a crafting node and then another and another...oooohhhh and there's a side quest....ahhhh and another farming node till like two hours later I'm still farming and haven't done the main quest I originally set out for lol.

THEN....after all that time spent farming, I don't want to crafting anything cause I don't want to deplete my resources yet they just keep building and building lol.....its a strange stupid vicious circle....but oh how I do love it

ebondeath · July 2014

Lol. Humans are so destructive. Can't leave a positive thread alone, they have to barge in and knock it down instead of making their own thread to air their complaints. The rest of this thread will become a mess of people sniping each other, happens every time.

To OP, total.agreement.

Sighlynce · July 2014

skwornub18_ESO wrote: »

" silver bolt, people will be laughing about that for years and telling stories for just as long in game. "

This made me laugh ! You are soooo right on we will be laughing about how we got took out - Its like one minute you're making your move to punish that... What the ?? What just happened !! Freakin' @$%$ @#*^^@ fighters guild !
Love your post

Alphashado · July 2014

I actually have a lot of fun playing this game. I find the graphics, lore, combat, and group content amazing.

But seeing all my friends leave and so many other people leave concerns me very much about the future of the game. ESO has tremendous potential if they would just figure out how to plug the leaks.

Anastasia · July 2014

Enjinir wrote: »

It's the strangest thing.

I read a lot of the forum posts, and I've started posting some discussions. Everything you see on here is laced with hatred for the game and the developers. It's almost like there are so few people who are actually enjoying the game. It makes you feel depressed that the game you were looking forward to for so long came out in such poor condition.

Then you close out of the forums, with a heavy heart. You log in, bracing yourself for bugs/breaks/imbalances/etc. You traipse along, expecting the worst. Then it happens. You start having fun. You start getting enveloped in the amazing storyline. You do some crafting, planning out the exact style, trait and enchantment you want for your gear. You go find a dungeon that nobody asked you to go to, and you delve into its depths for no reason other than adventure.

And then you log off and go back to the forums, and you make this post. One accepting that the game has its flaws, but at the end of the day, it is everything that a game I want to pay for monthly has to be: fun, engaging, deep, and evolving.

I, for one, am absolutely loving this game.

Many excellent posts in this thread, awesome!

Enjinir, thanks for your thoughts, great post. "Everything you see on here is laced with hatred for the game and the developers. It's almost like there are so few people who are actually enjoying the game..."

and:

"...You log in, bracing yourself for bugs/breaks/imbalances/etc. You traipse along, expecting the worst. Then it happens. You start having fun. You start getting enveloped in the amazing storyline. You do some crafting, planning out the exact style, trait and enchantment you want for your gear. You go find a dungeon that nobody asked you to go to, and you delve into its depths for no reason other than adventure."
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If I didn't understand a decent amount about human interactions, market conditions and psychology plus some about human misery, I could a-l-m-o-s-t stretch my mind enough to wrap it around a conspiracy theory.

Something like: A lot of union buster- like scabbo's have been hired for peanut wages to infiltrate TESO in its early months specifically to muddy up facts, disseminate half-truths, drop by fansites and stir up much ado about normally expected issues, and attack the integrity of Zeni staff while generally disorienting or disengaging as much positive public opinion about TESO in the online world as is possible.

Naw, I will save that for my next 21st century penny-dreadful steampunk novelette for if I'm down on my luck and need a few more coins. Right now, Tamriel's growing pains are not incredibly gamebreaking. ZOS is actively working on the lag issues, some base-class abilities and balancing, quest glitches etc. I'm having a really great time playing it and hanging out with my friends, and I sincerely hope that forum goers who only come here occasionally and end up seeing vitriol will be protected by internet guardian angels from the extremist remarks and any disinformation.

As always, keep calm and carry on Zeni!

Orchish · July 2014

It's refreshing to read something positive on these forums for once.

Arsenic_Touch · July 2014

You were dead on until you got to player population, addons and pvp.

The populations are not popping in the VR content, especially cadwell's gold, it's quite dishonest to say that they are. Which is really funny because you have posted about how low the pop EB is in cyrodiil, which is even more apparent in the higher veteran zones.

The addon support? those that actually develop addons would beg to differ with the constant api changes that constantly ruin their work with changes that have very little effect on the game and it's quite funny to say that out dated addons work. You'd be hard pressed to find an out dated one that doesn't give you errors galore or completely break other parts of the game. So unless you're using like 1 or 2 addons, that point isn't true. Quite a few addons authors abandoned their work out right.

PVP? FPS issues be damned (wabbajack has had fps issues since the craglorn patch and they still aren't fixed) but the population imbalance do not make it fun at all, the emperor trading (this is due to a crappy system) the exploits that still aren't fixed, the rewards were and are a joke. (it's funny again because of your post about cyrodiil) the lack of objectives in pvp also make for a dull zerg vs zerg or zerg vs door dynamic.

Alphashado · July 2014

While TESO is indeed a fun game, it most certainly does not have a thriving community. Veteran zones are completely dead V6+. There is no chatter, no talking, just crickets. Every once in a while you get lucky enough to find enough people in the zone to complete map objectives.

Yes, some people have skipped all this content and went to Craglorn. But Craglorn isn't exactly the bustling metropolis you would expect it to be if everyone was there instead of in the normal Vet zones.

1-50 was amazingly fun and active. V6+? Not at all.

Skwor · July 2014

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

You were dead on until you got to player population, addons and pvp.

The populations are not popping in the VR content, especially cadwell's gold, it's quite dishonest to say that they are. Which is really funny because you have posted about how low the pop EB is in cyrodiil, which is even more apparent in the higher veteran zones.

The addon support? those that actually develop addons would beg to differ with the constant api changes that constantly ruin their work with changes that have very little effect on the game and it's quite funny to say that out dated addons work. You'd be hard pressed to find an out dated one that doesn't give you errors galore or completely break other parts of the game. So unless you're using like 1 or 2 addons, that point isn't true. Quite a few addons authors abandoned their work out right.

PVP? FPS issues be damned but the population imbalance do not make it fun at all, the emperor trading (this is due to a crappy system) the exploits that still aren't fixed, the rewards were and are a joke. (it's funny again because of your post about cyrodiil)

Oh I agree Cyrodil has some issues but I still find it very fun. I personally believe none of the PVP issues are insurmountable so I am not to down about them. I have made some recommendations about how to fix night-capping and I acknowledge population on some servers is poor. That doesn't mean the game is a failure. At 3 months this all seems pretty much on target to me. Then again I am a gamer with 15 years continuous game-play on EQ1 and 7 on EQ2 along with a host of other games. Perhaps I just have a more long term view?

VagabondAngel · July 2014

crislevin wrote: »

Complainers are those bring "majority" the improvements.

Be grateful you are benefiting from complaints.

It's funny... my mum always used to say "If you're going to whine, I'm not listening."

circilion · July 2014

adam.s.jonesub17_ESO wrote: »

sarcasm ftw? I love the game it is a blast but thriving community? The game world is empty and these forums are vile poison pits.

=( , it hurts me because I know it's true.

Skwor · July 2014

Alphashado wrote: »

While TESO is indeed a fun game, it most certainly does not have a thriving community. Veteran zones are completely dead V6+. There is no chatter, no talking, just crickets. Every once in a while you get lucky enough to find enough people in the zone to complete map objectives.

Yes, some people have skipped all this content and went to Craglorn. But Craglorn isn't exactly the bustling metropolis you would expect it to be if everyone was there instead of in the normal Vet zones.

1-50 was amazingly fun and active. V6+? Not at all.

Again I see people post this yet every time I go to Graglorn I have no problem getting into a tower group to XP grind and I see all the other camps running for grinds as well. We just have different experiences. I can only go by mine as you can only go by yours.

Phantax · July 2014

TESO is a blast with a thriving community!

It's always nice when Zenimax staff post on the forums !

Zabalah · July 2014

Love this positive post, guys! Keep it up! Knock those whiners out of this thread!

Skwor · July 2014

Phantax wrote: »

TESO is a blast with a thriving community!

It's always nice when Zenimax staff post on the forums !

LOL I wish, I have made my share of very critical comments in many forums in many games. I was absolutely brutal to D3 and was part of the movement there that got banned for using the "here's you 5 dollars" line. Moderators there got so upset just using that phrase in the end got your post deleted. However D3 deserved all of the negative feedback, the game drifted way off the mark and the Devs lost control. The auction house reversal well over a year later pretty much proved that out. Tweaking the game to increase micro transaction profits was just insanely wrong.

TESO on the other hand is fun to play, and changes are happening in a very reasonable time frame. I just can't hate on a game that I find fun to play on so many different levels.

Alphashado · July 2014

skwornub18_ESO wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

While TESO is indeed a fun game, it most certainly does not have a thriving community. Veteran zones are completely dead V6+. There is no chatter, no talking, just crickets. Every once in a while you get lucky enough to find enough people in the zone to complete map objectives.

Yes, some people have skipped all this content and went to Craglorn. But Craglorn isn't exactly the bustling metropolis you would expect it to be if everyone was there instead of in the normal Vet zones.

1-50 was amazingly fun and active. V6+? Not at all.

Again I see people post this yet every time I go to Graglorn I have no problem getting into a tower group to XP grind and I see all the other camps running for grinds as well. We just have different experiences. I can only go by mine as you can only go by yours.

I don't think Craglorn is dead. Far from it. It is extremely active compared to V6-V10. I'm only suggesting that if the sole reason the upper VR zones are empty is because they are all in Craglorn, well then Craglorn would be standing room only. And it most certainly isn't.

I love CL myself. I find the dungeons there (4man) to be much more enjoyable and just as rewarding than most of the VR dungeons. I did an Anomoly the other day for the first time with a group of 4. Ranging in lvl from VR3-VR8. We struggled, but completed it and it was a blast.

Haven't tried the Trials yet.

Craglorn is tuned down from V6+. That, and the very solid xp are the main reasons people are there. But how many people leave the game before they give Craglorn a try?

I am concerned this number is very large indeed. Not only that, but people will tire of Craglorn very quickly if they spend all of their time there.

Nazon_Katts · July 2014

EU population paints a not as nice picture, yep. For me, it's still enjoyable, but then not everyone wants to solo it all. Me neither actually, but outside of prime time it's not so easy to get a group going. But then, I can solo most of the content anyways.

Even during prime time, it does take a little effort. Considering you could just stumble into a group while just doing your own thing and get everything done except group dungeons without any effort on the individuals part, that is probably what makes this seem to be a much bigger problem than it is. It remains problematic, however.

There's many players missing here on my side of the pond and the much slower than required transfer to the Frankfurt datacenter doesn't help with stopping this negative trend. Class balance, exploits and cheaters drove people away, the EU server not being in the EU keeps them away. Here's hoping they'll make the move soon, before the game drops off peoples' radars.

Because other than that, I do like the game and agree mostly with the OP. There's more good than bad. It's just that vital key features are flawed and the average gamer doesn't have the patience to wait it out. This is a mainstream MMO, it needs those guys and gals. Me and you agreeing that it's still very much enjoyable and worth it, won't do any good either.

So from my perspective, ESO is a good game, but with a fading community thanks to a few, but dire mistakes. There's however a couple of options to turn that around again, so I'll keep soloing and time will tell which one they might choose.

KariTR · July 2014

rynth wrote: »

One of the things I love a lot about this game and hate too lol is going out in the wild towards a quest and then I see a crafting node and then another and another...oooohhhh and there's a side quest....ahhhh and another farming node till like two hours later I'm still farming and haven't done the main quest I originally set out for lol.

THEN....after all that time spent farming, I don't want to crafting anything cause I don't want to deplete my resources yet they just keep building and building lol.....its a strange stupid vicious circle....but oh how I do love it

This is so true. I remember I arrived at Malabal Tor, I think, with a quest to meet up with the Silvenar. His little marker was in the SE and I had arrived from the west, so decided to explore the land along the way, naturally. Anyway, days later I had reached the centre of the map and decided I was not going to led off-track any longer, I would keep our rendezvous and see what it was he needed from me.

Many hours later I remembered I was supposed to be keeping an appointment and opened my map to see if I could make it before nightfall. I was astonished to see that my meanderings had taken me north and about as far away from my meeting as it was physically possible to be.

I do get it when people describe the game as linear. We do this zone, then that zone etc. But that person up there ^^ she just thinks "You're nuts".

Laura · July 2014

I agree its fun. Its the best game I have played in a long time (for me personally) bugs and all aside and some gearing issues.

unfortunately I can't agree that it has a thriving community

I assume you are on AD side? try DC or EP its all but dead really. Keep in mind also that this is ONE SERVER and its almost impossible to get people to do any of the end game or group content.

I will be here for a long time but I worry about the future.