DID ZOS just push an un-announced hot fix??

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO · July 2014

if you turn off sun light, shadows and grass

Even if this worked for everyone (and as you can see from some disappointed posters in this thread, it clearly doesn't), making users turn down their graphics settings to "ugly" on computers that should be able to handle the game with ease, and which were handling the game with ease before the patch, is a workaround which should not be required in a professional product.

What it comes down to is that I am paying a subscription fee only to have them sabotage their software by incompetence. That is simply unacceptable.

Rylana · July 2014

Because my computer played this game pretty much flawlessly just seven days ago, and despite what the trolls and elitist punks will say its not me that caused this.

Its not my machine, its not my settings, there is literally nothing on my end I could do to fix this issue.

Period.

Darzil · July 2014

Besides, it's a game with badly balanced classes, badly balanced skills, badly balanced enemies, poor puzzles, dull, CC based VR combat that is pretty. Switching off pretty isn't necessarily going to help much.

Or of course it could be that they noticed that reducing the graphics settings didn't fix the problem.

Cogo · July 2014

Darzil wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

its kinda sad that a very similar discussion like this, is going on at Reddit. But unlike here, players are testing, rebooting after hotfix, testing tips and have now a lot less problems then yesterday.

Why cant we here, discuss and help to make our game better. Instead of bickering?

Sounds great. Any chance of starting by linking to the relevant bit of Reddit?
It might be here: http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/29k004/for_those_having_delayfps_issues_in_pve_zones/

Worth noting that most people seemed to find it a temporary improvement only in reducing the delay before seeing things issue.

Is it? Take a look again. Even the OP changed his mind since he tried it out.
Most of em are problems/solutions, you know, discussions. The works around you talking about are for the few that didnt get a better performance like the rest.

If someone wants "proof", of course I can PM them.

steveb16_ESO46 · July 2014

Mablung wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

loki547 wrote: »

I just downloaded this hotfix.

I am still dropping to 4 fps in PvP combat.

I am still dying before I even see enemies on the screen.

I am hoping with all of my heart this wasn't the hotfix they were talking about to fix the FPS issue, because the game is still unplayable in Cyrodiil for me.

This tells me the devs are currently clueless about the source of the problem. I hope they figure it out soon, and learn from this for next content upgrade.

This tells me their QA process consists of methods we have never heard of before.

I'm not sure 'crossing your fingers and hoping for the best' counts as a QA process.

kitsinni · July 2014

When they said this patch wasn't ready on Monday then Monday evening decided to push it on Tuesday and I said wait till it is really ready and tested aI got flamed and told to go outside. I guess everyone was right it didn't need any more testing at all.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · July 2014

As usual the patch did jack. Do you actually have anyone competent working there?

crislevin · July 2014

Today is the first time I saw sever FPS drop in PVE dolmen fight. Whatever they did in the recent patch, may want to check the code line by line.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · July 2014

crislevin wrote: »

Today is the first time I saw sever FPS drop in PVE dolmen fight. Whatever they did in the recent patch, may want to check the code line by line.

I dont think they know how to code

mumok · July 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

There were things in yesterdays patch that didnt get broken, this corrects that

LOL! Thank you.

crislevin · July 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

There were things in yesterdays patch that didnt get broken, this corrects that

I hate to say it, but .. bah..... you may actually be right on this

DanteVFenris · July 2014

Trelia wrote: »

I've turned off everything that i can, and disabled all my add-ons just in case, my graphic settings are all on low and i still drop to 2-5 fps in Cyrodiil. I wish that this was a fix to the problem because the PvP is by far, for me anyway, the best part of the game.

That's the problem, you are on low. Minimal seemed to work good for me.

Anyways on minimal it looks ugly as hell, but I'd rather go to that then 1 fps. When I'm on minimal I don't die before I see the character. So it's better. And just suffer through it until a patch comes out and finally improves things.

I'm not trying to say it's the players fault, just saying it's a tempuary way of play until they resolve the issues

DanteVFenris · July 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Today is the first time I saw sever FPS drop in PVE dolmen fight. Whatever they did in the recent patch, may want to check the code line by line.

I dont think they know how to code

It's not that though don't know how. It's just a massive game. A lot of entanglement. Probably some people got dropped when game launched and others who didn't know the entanglement well had to work with it. More time they spend with the game the more long term employees will understand

Junipus · July 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Today is the first time I saw sever FPS drop in PVE dolmen fight. Whatever they did in the recent patch, may want to check the code line by line.

I dont think they know how to code

I don't think they document or comment it either.

I get the distinct impression their patches involve putting a plaster/bandaid over the issues and spending extra time trying to get things working as smoothly as possible with the broken systems, instead of repairing the underlying issue in the first place.

I'm not a game developer so can't back that up with anything more than an opinion, but unless all patches in other games follow the same practices then they're doing things completely backwards. If that is how patches work, then they're doing something wrong to every other game released in the last few years.

Darzil · July 2014

I suspect it may be performance issue or some indexing/fragmentation that started not too bad, and is getting worse as more content is added. Some bugs/designs are like that, you live with them as they aren't the big issue, but they gradually get more evident til they are fixed.

A little like the way lack of memory on a PC doesn't matter much til your system starts having to swap stuff from memory to disk for active processes, at which point it goes from working to crawl.

Jaxom · July 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Today is the first time I saw sever FPS drop in PVE dolmen fight. Whatever they did in the recent patch, may want to check the code line by line.

I dont think they know how to code

It's Up,Up, Down ,Down B, A, Start. Fixed my lag and gave me 30 lives somehow.

DanteVFenris · July 2014

Darzil wrote: »

Besides, it's a game with badly balanced classes, badly balanced skills, badly balanced enemies, poor puzzles, dull, CC based VR combat that is pretty. Switching off pretty isn't necessarily going to help much.

Or of course it could be that they noticed that reducing the graphics settings didn't fix the problem.

Only problem is, mmos don't have puzzles. Having a puzzle is a bonus in a mmo. Every mmo even wow has balancing issues. Dull is an opinion. Though their are issues. Some of the things you listened contrast my opinion. Want a puzzle game play portal. I haven't even encountered a puzzle in wow. So the fact that eso has them is a nice addition even how simple it is.

Though these performance issues need fixing.

shiva7663 · July 2014

Inimicus wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

http://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/701

That job is for id Software in Texas, the creators of DOOM.

How about this one, then?

http://jobs.zenimax.com/requisitions/view/195

I wouldn't be surprised if they had to replace people due to stress burnout.

dean_steusloffub17_ESO · July 2014

DontBeAfraid wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

Ya'll are approaching this totally wrong. You're focussing on that small little thing just a handful of people care about - PvP.

What you need to do is go into the major town in your zone, find a nice big church or guild hall that has cool windows. Now go inside and check out the new lighting effects and st*u.

oh did i mention that from the 3million sold versions only less than 100k are still actively playing?

Since 104% of all statistics on the internet are made up, I'd like you to cite your source for that info.

dean_steusloffub17_ESO · July 2014

Jaxom wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Today is the first time I saw sever FPS drop in PVE dolmen fight. Whatever they did in the recent patch, may want to check the code line by line.

I dont think they know how to code

It's Up,Up, Down ,Down B, A, Start. Fixed my lag and gave me 30 lives somehow.

I thought it was up, down, up, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start.

Grageeky · July 2014

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi folks,

We just finished pushing a hotfix for the FPS issue. ...

Should not hotfixes also be a part of the official news thread?

Jaxom · July 2014

dean_steusloffub17_ESO wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Today is the first time I saw sever FPS drop in PVE dolmen fight. Whatever they did in the recent patch, may want to check the code line by line.

I dont think they know how to code

It's Up,Up, Down ,Down B, A, Start. Fixed my lag and gave me 30 lives somehow.

I thought it was up, down, up, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start.

Ah. You are correct. How foolish of me.

HelpingHand · July 2014

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

As usual the patch did jack. Do you actually have anyone competent working there?

They have plenty of competent people working for them. You show your incompetence by making statements like that.

Syzmicke · July 2014

Cant wait to see them streaming PvP live at quakecom

Huckdabuck · July 2014

HelpingHand wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

As usual the patch did jack. Do you actually have anyone competent working there?

They have plenty of competent people working for them. You show your incompetence by making statements like that.

What's your badge number?

Aeradon · July 2014

HelpingHand wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

As usual the patch did jack. Do you actually have anyone competent working there?

They have plenty of competent people working for them. You show your incompetence by making statements like that.

Yeah Ragnar! They show immense creativity when it comes to fixing the game!

Patch 1.2.3 introduced new lighting system, new VR dungeon and new loot table. Then FPS began to drop. It's completely logical and a creative way to tweak the skills in order to fix the FPS.

Nobody understands that, it's only because they are not at the level of competency yet.

As what Gina said about the new trash loot in containers, "you don't have to pick it up"

Since the lighting and FPS problem is one of the patch content as well, one could only assume that the theory applying to the new trash loot would apply to the FPS as well.

"You don't have to play the game."

Great job ZOS! Let's keep fixing the game and patching it until it's beyond repair!

Arsenic_Touch · July 2014

HelpingHand wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

As usual the patch did jack. Do you actually have anyone competent working there?

They have plenty of competent people working for them. You show your incompetence by making statements like that.

Really? s/s or it didn't happen.

crislevin · July 2014

Aeradon wrote: »

HelpingHand wrote: »

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

As usual the patch did jack. Do you actually have anyone competent working there?

They have plenty of competent people working for them. You show your incompetence by making statements like that.

Yeah Ragnar! They show immense creativity when it comes to fixing the game!

Patch 1.2.3 introduced new lighting system, new VR dungeon and new loot table. Then FPS began to drop. It's completely logical and a creative way to tweak the skills in order to fix the FPS.

Nobody understands that, it's only because they are not at the level of competency yet.

As what Gina said about the new trash loot in containers, "you don't have to pick it up"

Since the lighting and FPS problem is one of the patch content as well, one could only assume that the theory applying to the new trash loot would apply to the FPS as well.

"You don't have to play the game."

Great job ZOS! Let's keep fixing the game and patching it until it's beyond repair!

hilarious.

SootyTX · July 2014

ArconSeptim wrote: »

ARE YOU DEF BLIND? PEOPLE LOWER THEIR SETTINGS TO LOWEST AND STILL HAVE LOW FPS NO MATTER WHICH PC YOU HAVE

Incorrect. i play with everything on max except shadows, all effects on, on a 3 year old card with 30-50 fps.

But then, as @Cogo has been saying, I took a few minutes to tweak settings and listen to advice from players willing to help instead of....well, I think most reasonable adults will be able to infer what I think of many of the posts here.

Seriously - many of you could have fixed the issue in the time you've taken complaining here.

Cogo · July 2014

@SootyTX

Why thank you!

Also, they suggested there may be a memory leak still in Cyro. So 2-4 GB systems prob still will have problem, no matter if they have Enterprise CPU or not.

Its July. Lowest MMO month for all MMOs. Zenimax proven these past days how well they work. Much because of our input.

Time is all thats needed

Btw, I heard from Cyro there was a huge complain! Not lag, but night blades are OP, cause they can run and catch people? Guess who whines? Dks! LOL!

Even if that's true....isn't that what they are good at? *giggle*