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Patch v1.2.3 Known Issues

  • Jorj1388
    Jorj1388
    Hey guys, just wanted to give you a quick update on the FPS issue. We've identified what's causing this, and are working on a hotfix now that we'll get out as soon as we can. We'll let you know as soon as it's been rolled out. Thanks for your patience while we hammered on this one, we know it's been frustrating.

    "frustration" - an understatement, within a week the game is not quite working ability, I sincerely hope to compensate for these days.
  • stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO
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    Tobiz wrote: »
    Im starting to think internal sabotage.
    No professional company with quality control and testing could introduce this many problems with already working content. Could it?

    Disclaimer: Not trolling. You should investigate sabotage...

    There are three conditions in your statement "professional company with quality control and testing". If the company is unprofessional, lacks quality control or skips proper testing, this is the expected result. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

    The "stupidity" in this case should be interpreted as organizational stupidity, not stupidity of individuals. I don't think anybody who is truly stupid would be able to land a job in the gaming industry, but mismanagement can hide even the most outstanding skills within a company.

    On the bright side, organizational stupidity can be cured. If the code base is not a total mess, this game can still be saved.
  • LrdRahvin
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    Tobiz wrote: »
    Im starting to think internal sabotage.
    No professional company with quality control and testing could introduce this many problems with already working content. Could it?

    Disclaimer: Not trolling. You should investigate sabotage...

    There are three conditions in your statement "professional company with quality control and testing". If the company is unprofessional, lacks quality control or skips proper testing, this is the expected result. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

    The "stupidity" in this case should be interpreted as organizational stupidity, not stupidity of individuals. I don't think anybody who is truly stupid would be able to land a job in the gaming industry, but mismanagement can hide even the most outstanding skills within a company.

    On the bright side, organizational stupidity can be cured. If the code base is not a total mess, this game can still be saved.

    QFT
  • LrdRahvin
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    Tobiz wrote: »
    Im starting to think internal sabotage.
    No professional company with quality control and testing could introduce this many problems with already working content. Could it?

    Disclaimer: Not trolling. You should investigate sabotage...

    There are three conditions in your statement "professional company with quality control and testing". If the company is unprofessional, lacks quality control or skips proper testing, this is the expected result. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

    The "stupidity" in this case should be interpreted as organizational stupidity, not stupidity of individuals. I don't think anybody who is truly stupid would be able to land a job in the gaming industry, but mismanagement can hide even the most outstanding skills within a company.

    On the bright side, organizational stupidity can be cured. If the code base is not a total mess, this game can still be saved.

    I absolutely agree with your ENTIRE post (even the part about the game being saved...despite my pretty heavy negativity lately-didn't even start posting on these forums until things started to go really wrong despite my having been a psijic order closed beta tester (the persistent internal "pts" beta server)).

    However, two conditions would have to be met: They would actually have to fix both their internal processes i.e. inter-departmental communication and testing/proper oversight of coding and the arrogance/mismanagement that led us all to this point.
  • vladimilianoub17_ESO1
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    Has this all major issues been mentioned here?Its a major issue which looks to be ignored and they are game breaking.

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/116299/horrid-lag-mobs-not-visiable-players-not-visiable/p2
  • LrdRahvin
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    Has this all major issues been mentioned here?Its a major issue which looks to be ignored and they are game breaking.

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/116299/horrid-lag-mobs-not-visiable-players-not-visiable/p2

    I'm guessing you've been under a rock for the last week and/or have not read CS' posts about a hotfix to fps issues post 1.2.3 and 1.2.4- this is exactly that issue.

    Edit: Well, related/tied to it anyway as it cropped up for most with 1.2.4
    Edited by LrdRahvin on July 1, 2014 6:45PM
  • demonlkojipub19_ESO
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    Monsters not being visible is actually not the same thing as the FPS issue. I had this issue way back when I was still like lvl12 in the first month of launch. First time was at the village where the kahjiit released a dro'mathra spirit and it took control of people. I walked in there and all I saw was red dots, and then a few seconds I dropped dead.

    Months ago issue that deals with lag and syncing, not with FPS.
  • vladimilianoub17_ESO1
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    Has this all major issues been mentioned here?Its a major issue which looks to be ignored and they are game breaking.

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/116299/horrid-lag-mobs-not-visiable-players-not-visiable/p2

    I'm guessing you've been under a rock for the last week and/or have not read CS' posts about a hotfix to fps issues post 1.2.3 and 1.2.4- this is exactly that issue.

    Edit: Well, related/tied to it anyway as it cropped up for most with 1.2.4

    The thread i linked mention many things other than fps drop.As a matter of fact i barely have fps drop but me and many ppl have all this and more, which is worst:

    -No spells animation
    -no weapon swap animation
    -invisible mobs
    -delayed audio
    -when i get damaged it dont show on health bar
    -many random loading screens
    -even when deconstructing stuff the audio is delayed
    -discovered x area screen messages not appearing

    Thats only a few of the issues mentioned in that post.
    Edited by vladimilianoub17_ESO1 on July 1, 2014 6:51PM
  • Darzil
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    Hey guys, just wanted to give you a quick update on the FPS issue. We've identified what's causing this, and are working on a hotfix now that we'll get out as soon as we can. We'll let you know as soon as it's been rolled out. Thanks for your patience while we hammered on this one, we know it's been frustrating.
    Am looking forward to this, and hoping that this is also the issue causing very slow loading of world objects, monsters and effects (which is more of an issue than FPS for me) and it's all related. Things are close to unplayable at present, as I never know when I'll be killed by things I cannot see, so I'll not play til this is fixed.

    Very glad to see you're talking hotfix rather than regular patch, that's the right decision.
  • LrdRahvin
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    Monsters not being visible is actually not the same thing as the FPS issue. I had this issue way back when I was still like lvl12 in the first month of launch. First time was at the village where the kahjiit released a dro'mathra spirit and it took control of people. I walked in there and all I saw was red dots, and then a few seconds I dropped dead.

    Months ago issue that deals with lag and syncing, not with FPS.

    ah...was being self-absorbed and only thinking from my perspective, so my apologies...the rendering issue with invisible mobs only hit me with 1.2.4 (same by the way for cyrodiil fps issue...weirdly I had no fps drop unlike most others with 1.2.3- but their "fix" for it in 1.2.4 completely blew the game up for me... apologies also to the poster I quoted since my post seems to be pretty invalid...also a bit snarky upon rereading
  • LrdRahvin
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    Has this all major issues been mentioned here?Its a major issue which looks to be ignored and they are game breaking.

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/116299/horrid-lag-mobs-not-visiable-players-not-visiable/p2

    I'm guessing you've been under a rock for the last week and/or have not read CS' posts about a hotfix to fps issues post 1.2.3 and 1.2.4- this is exactly that issue.

    Edit: Well, related/tied to it anyway as it cropped up for most with 1.2.4

    The thread i linked mention many things other than fps drop.As a matter of fact i barely have fps drop but me and many ppl have all this and more, which is worst:

    -No spells animation
    -no weapon swap animation
    -invisible mobs
    -delayed audio
    -when i get damaged it dont show on health bar
    -many random loading screens
    -even when deconstructing stuff the audio is delayed
    -discovered x area screen messages not appearing

    Thats only a few of the issues mentioned in that post.

    ^ you have my apologies as per my post above
  • brandon
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    ZOS give us an answer to this already
    -No spells animation
    -no weapon swap animation
    -invisible mobs
    -delayed audio
    -when i get damaged it dont show on health bar
    -many random loading screens
    -even when deconstructing stuff the audio is delayed
    -discovered x area screen messages not appearing
  • Artemiisia
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    Forgotten crypts: Public Dungeon

    Group challenge dont reward skill point or achievement.

    and dont know what happen in there, with my lvl 20 templar, I got stuck in the middle of the room 4-5 times while inside Forgotten crypts.

    Haven't had any stuck problem since, so dont know if its just a bad day or dungeon problems


    Achievements, and when u complete things like dungeon bosses, finding all skyshards, these dont spawn with text all the time, got my lvl 10 mages guild today without knowing it at first
  • tylerdavidsonb14_ESO
    brandon wrote: »
    ZOS give us an answer to this already
    -No spells animation
    -no weapon swap animation
    -invisible mobs
    -delayed audio
    -when i get damaged it dont show on health bar
    -many random loading screens
    -even when deconstructing stuff the audio is delayed
    -discovered x area screen messages not appearing

    I haven't experienced any of this.
  • brandon
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    Edited by brandon on July 1, 2014 8:26PM
  • Cogo
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    Caduryn wrote: »
    Hey guys, just wanted to give you a quick update on the FPS issue. We've identified what's causing this, and are working on a hotfix now that we'll get out as soon as we can. We'll let you know as soon as it's been rolled out. Thanks for your patience while we hammered on this one, we know it's been frustrating.

    Your really really really sure you identified really the real issue this time? ^^
    We're testing it out now to make sure it'll be fixed. For real this time. ;)

    Thank you for letting us know! Starting to worry about people leaving :-(

    Keep up the great work!

    I am curious about something, which you have no obligation to answer at all, can the problem to find a fix for this issue be that some player get huge lag when doing the same thing as another player who just gets reduced lag, but very well can play? Like today? This links to how your work, so I understand if you cant say anything.

    I am still curious =)

    Great!!!
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  • Cogo
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    brandon wrote: »
    ZOS give us an answer to this already
    -No spells animation
    -no weapon swap animation
    -invisible mobs
    -delayed audio
    -when i get damaged it dont show on health bar
    -many random loading screens
    -even when deconstructing stuff the audio is delayed
    -discovered x area screen messages not appearing

    I haven't experienced any of this.

    I got nothing of this and played all day.

    The only difference I have from this patch, is a longer time to load character screen.

    I been exploring Daggerfall Vet1 zone with a friend.

    Some guildies reported that all animations been very delayed in grouped dungeons.
    Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
    Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
    Guildsite: The Nephilim

    "I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
    -Voltaire

    "My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"
  • tylerdavidsonb14_ESO
    The only problem I have ever had with this game is the same problem I have from time to time still. Sometimes...usually only when in a city, the game will completely freeze for maybe half a second. Kind of like taking a photo. My FPS will drop from 50 or 60 to 3. But only for like half a second...literally only long enough for me to blink and almost say "What the F...." but I never get to finish my sentence because then my FPS jumps right back up.
    But that's it. Nothing else except for a couple of broken quests.
  • Orchish
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    The thought of playing for another week at least in Cyrodiil with the current FPS issue is very demotivating. I hope that as soon as a fix is found this is applied in a hotfix.
  • Ilterendi
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    I'm not sure if this is being looked into and just not documented, but I see health bars get out of sync. Mine and my enemies. Not tested in pvp but it's blatantly obvious in PVE.

    Tested moves/order:
    Open with Concealed Strike from Sneak
    Charge heavy attack and initiate Rapid Strikes. Proc occurs from 3/5 Ash set.
    Enemy's hp at ~35-40% showing, initiate single Killer's Blade.

    Now don't get me wrong, if KB was buffed..I like it. But I want this to work as intended. I suspect the health bar loses sync during Rapid Strike and the set bonus proc.


    Also, to further at to fps/combat lag... it's heavily noticeable in PVE. I'll notice that combat isn't smooth for xx reason, when the client catches up I'm either dead or watch the charging hit connect that kills me. Charged hits from 2h are also seemingly unblock able and unavoidable. I suspect that cast/animation/queue is out of sync.
  • ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    Community Manager
    We just finished pushing a hotfix for the FPS issue. We've done as much as we can in a hotfix to alleviate the issue. The impact will vary—you may see noticeable improvements or marginal ones. This is by no means a final or complete fix to the issue, but we felt it important to do what we could in the short term now. We’re continuing to work on performance improvements that we’ll roll out in upcoming patches. We’ll keep you updated as we make more progress, and we thank you for your patience.
    Jessica Folsom
    Associate Director of Community - ZeniMax Online Studios
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  • Leovolao
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    "We’re continuing to work on performance improvements that we’ll roll out in upcoming patches." You broke PVP over night and now are we suppose to wait for "future patches"? [Snip]

    EDIT: this wonderful fix got me from 4 to 6 fps... thank you very much!

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_JoanaL on July 2, 2014 1:17AM
    tea pot


    "What if my problem wasn't that I don't understand people but that I don't like them?"
  • Versirus
    Versirus
    Soul Shriven
    Yes, thank you ZOS for taking all our money and doing a whole lot of nothing....and I agree leonardo. They need to just roll back the *** patch until they fix it for damn good and quit wasting our time and money with their lazy ***. I have a very, very physically demanding job, and the last thing I want to deal with when I come home on my little time off to relax, is this kind of [Snip]. Especially when I pay my hard-earned money for it.

    [Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_JoanaL on July 2, 2014 1:29AM
  • brandon
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    Hey ZOS I just tried to play after the hotfix and I'm still getting

    -No spells animation
    -no weapon swap animation
    -invisible mobs
    -delayed audio
    -when i get damaged it dont show on health bar
    -many random loading screens
    -even when deconstructing stuff the audio is delayed
    -discovered x area screen messages not appearing

    Your stupid hotfix needs a hotfix. I am so tired of all the bugs. I will not pay for a game that I am unable to play. I am one of the most patient people but even the most patient people have a breaking point. You guys constantly ask for patience I'm so tired of hearing that crap. You break more things then you fix and then tell your customers to have patience. Fix the issues fast because if I can't play soon I'm done.
    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno
    @ZOS_JasonL @ZOS_AmeliaR
    Oh and my post will probably get moderated because whenever someone says something you guys don't like you change it. Oh and don't tell me to have patience when you give me a warning thank you.
    Edited by brandon on July 2, 2014 12:59AM
  • Mrtimtim
    Mrtimtim
    Soul Shriven
    Figured I would post this here about the hotfix. I was just in Cyro on Wabbajack and I am no longer dropping frames like crazy when I am standing still in the middle of no where and it is not as bad during keep battles. I am still not getting the frame rate that I was before patch but I can now at least do pvp with out having a slide show. Also I did have frames dropping in pve areas such as towns and anchors after 1.2.3 and it seems the hotfix has improved that some as well.
    Edited by Mrtimtim on July 2, 2014 12:54AM
  • ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    ZOS_JessicaFolsom
    Community Manager
    We understand the frustration from those who are still experiencing crippling FPS issues. We're working around the clock on getting it resolved as soon as possible. As mentioned in the above post, we felt it better to do what we could now (even if minimal) than hold off on something that may help.
    Jessica Folsom
    Associate Director of Community - ZeniMax Online Studios
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  • quakedawg_ESO
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    <chuckles>

    I so picture the spoiled brats on these forums screaming at their monitors. Red faced with trembling hands as they type these demanding posts like they are writing to their parents.

    Entertainment factor +7

    Pro Tip: Form a group of 4 and hang out with the zerg. Now you can claim you only run with 4. I'm l33t

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    'My group of 4 will often take on 100+ with no problem. I have videos to prove it'
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  • vladimilianoub17_ESO1
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    We understand the frustration from those who are still experiencing crippling FPS issues. We're working around the clock on getting it resolved as soon as possible. As mentioned in the above post, we felt it better to do what we could now (even if minimal) than hold off on something that may help.

    So what about the ,spell effect,invisible mobs,delayed sound and animation ect ect that many ppl are experiancing?As long as I know it have nothing to do with FPS drop as me and others report that their FPS is fine but they are having the issues I mentioned before.Is that being looking at? I only hear from you guys the FPS drop issue.
  • brandon
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    <chuckles>

    I so picture the spoiled brats on these forums screaming at their monitors. Red faced with trembling hands as they type these demanding posts like they are writing to their parents.

    Entertainment factor +7

    Mind answering how we are spoiled brats? We paid for a game that we are unable to play. You might like wasting your money when you can't play, but most people don't. So please stop being silly thank you.
  • Cogo
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    brandon wrote: »
    <chuckles>

    I so picture the spoiled brats on these forums screaming at their monitors. Red faced with trembling hands as they type these demanding posts like they are writing to their parents.

    Entertainment factor +7

    Mind answering how we are spoiled brats? We paid for a game that we are unable to play. You might like wasting your money when you can't play, but most people don't. So please stop being silly thank you.

    Have you tried changing your graphic settings or update drivers?

    On only lowering "shadow" settings for me made a huge improvement.

    All items listen on your list, I don't have them :-(
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    -Voltaire

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