Blood and Gore -optional-

shanersimms_ESO · July 2014

Surinen wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Biased poll much?

yes/yes/yes/no,i'm weak.

right.

no, not at all. reflecting reality.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Where's the option for people who don't care so much about seeing blood and guts that they make an overly biased poll about it?

nowhere to be found. poll creator does not think that there are people who trully don't care. refraining from participation in the poll should serve it well itself (if you trully, really don't care), but then you would not be able to say that you 'don't care'.

Finding something distasteful has nothing to do with constitution. This is non sequitur. I would simply vote No because this brings no added value to the game and a desire for such graphical imagery is a bit revolting. Your poll is exceptionally biased. There's a term for those who get their jollies from pain and brutality, and as neither of those two terms apply to myself, a simple No is the appropriate vote to case, yet your poll leaves me without that option.

Elencha · July 2014

I didn't vote because I'm not really fussed either way, really. If it were an option, I'd probably turn it on, at least for a while, until the novelty wore off.

That said, however, I have had a bit of an epiphany reading this thread. I think you guys should cut the OP a bit of slack with regard to the poll itself. All forum polls are biased. You will never get a truly pure sample set, because only people who have some interest in either the topic or the fact that it's a poll will even click on it. So, I have come to the conclusion that the real reason people put up such polls is to spark discussion while simultaneously knowing at a glance whether or not (and to what degree) the people in said discussion agree with their point of view. Hence, there is no reason to feign impartiality.
There is also the fact that a without a poll draws anyone who is at least vaguely interested in the topic, while a thread with a poll draws all of those same people plus anyone who likes to participate in or comment on polls. Hence, more traffic to your thread if it has a poll.

Arthur_Spoonfondle · July 2014

I didn't vote because the question is so ludicrously biased.

daneyulebub17_ESO · July 2014

Being able to endure seeing something, and wanting to see it, are two different things. Equating strength with simply wanting to see simulated gore when there is no danger to your personally is indicative of a undeveloped or warped sense of what the terms strength and weakness mean.

There are many people of peace who avoid unnecessary violence who are very, very strong. Just as there are many cowards who love watching others bleed as long as its not them.

The OP, by evidence of their words, is either extremely emotionally immature, a troll, or a psychopath who can't grasp the above concepts. Possibly all three.

Surinen · July 2014

Yes - Blood and Gore - Full Mode

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

Finding something distasteful has nothing to do with constitution. This is non sequitur. I would simply vote No because this brings no added value to the game and a desire for such graphical imagery is a bit revolting. Your poll is exceptionally biased. There's a term for those who get their jollies from pain and brutality, and as neither of those two terms apply to myself, a simple No is the appropriate vote to case, yet your poll leaves me without that option.

of course it has. the way you react to x y z stimuli defines you. how does it not add any value? emotional value coming from intensive, graphic scenes make our brains 'burn'. such animations and effects may highly enhance the game gameplay value and add grittiness to the world.
yes, there is such term: *** sapiens sapiens. although other animals too.
well, in my very much simplified thread-poll perception I would see you signed under 'no' answer

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Being able to endure seeing something, and wanting to see it, are two different things. Equating strength with simply wanting to see simulated gore when there is no danger to your personally is indicative of a undeveloped or warped sense of what the terms strength and weakness mean.

There are many people of peace who avoid unnecessary violence who are very, very strong. Just as there are many cowards who love watching others bleed as long as its not them.

The OP, by evidence of their words, is either extremely emotionally immature, a troll, or a psychopath who can't grasp the above concepts. Possibly all three.

no, you can easily fit both in one category. both strength and weakness are product of many factors but this thread is about blood and gore: simplification of one factor.

people of peace does not = strength by their very definition.
strength lays in agression, conflict. progress

if you insist on turning virtues into vices, please, do so. very modern of you.

KariTR · July 2014

Phantax wrote: »

Tr1cksh0t wrote: »

Something is wrong with you mate.

You could say the same about all of us. If you think about the whole premise to winning this game is to pretty much kill everything that moves....lol

Killing enemies in game and wanting to cut off their breasts are quite different.

I find the OP distasteful in the extreme.

RatsnevE · July 2014

No - I'm weak and such horrible things are not for me. our world is already brutal. I do not want to see it in my games!

n/t

KariTR · July 2014

RatsnevE wrote: »

You can also just 'vote' and leave no comment about it.

This is a discussion forum, not a MORI poll.

UrQuan · July 2014

Nobody should vote in this stupidly biased poll. Vote in this one instead, where the options are presented in the way an adult would present them.

Surinen · July 2014

Yes - Blood and Gore - Full Mode

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Killing enemies in game and wanting to cut off their breasts are quite different.

I find the OP distasteful in the extreme.

It is not my fault that female body is constructed in this way and not another. if they were to have horns on the chest then I would write about cutting them off. if they are in range of a weapon then there is a grat chance of damage. All I have done is simply detailed approach to wounds.

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Nobody should vote in this stupidly biased poll. Vote in this one instead, where the options are presented in the way an adult would present them.

it does not matter where they will vote. in fact I should be thankful to someone for creating another thread about it. spread the gory news. of course I must disagree with you. there is nothing stupid about this poll. 'the way an adult would present them' <grin>

Knootewoot · July 2014

Yes - Blood and Gore - Full Mode

I want to chop of limbs as well and see bewbs

kaosodin · July 2014

Yes - Blood and Gore - Full Mode

They dont have blood etc because it caters to kids.....get more subs 13+ then with 17+

NakedSnake · July 2014

Yes - Blood - just blood; blood pools, bloodied weapons and bodies

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Nymirah · July 2014

I didn't vote because the poll is setup in an extremely bias manner. And I have to be honest, I started laughing really hard about half way thru the OP. I actually thought he was joking with that sort of overly specific description set.

In fact, now I'm kinda hoping he was...

RatsnevE · July 2014

No - I'm weak and such horrible things are not for me. our world is already brutal. I do not want to see it in my games!

KariTR wrote: »

RatsnevE wrote: »

You can also just 'vote' and leave no comment about it.

This is a discussion forum, not a MORI poll.

What is a MORI poll?

The_Sadist · July 2014

Horrible poll is horrible.

I don't see the point. The Elder Scrolls series had blood, but not gore.

KhajiitiLizard · July 2014

Yes - Blood and Gore - limited to simple decapitations and blood pools

I want it to at least be like Skyrim as for blood and gore goes. Nothing over-the-top. The lack of any blood or gore in an M rated game is just strange.

nerevarine1138 · July 2014

AlienSlof wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

There is the small matter that you can not say whether or not revelling in bloodshed (even digital bloodshed) has a destructive effect on your psyche. We can, you can't. Likewise I can't say whether it has a negative effect on me, other people can, but I myself can't.

^ This ^

I love blood and gore in games and movies. Does this make me a psychopath?

No.

In real life, I'm a little old cat lady who rescues kittens. I know to keep some things to fantasy.

No one was claiming that videogames create psychopaths. Personally, I have no issue with gore in my media.

However, the OP isn't talking about gore. He is reveling, with childlike glee, at the idea of mutilation and torture. He is asserting that anyone who doesn't share his thirst for blood is weak for not enjoying the sight.

Ask any soldier who's witnessed real bloodshed whether they think that this is a healthy point of view for a civilian to have.

Surinen · July 2014

Yes - Blood and Gore - Full Mode

Nymirah wrote: »

I didn't vote because the poll is setup in an extremely bias manner. And I have to be honest, I started laughing really hard about half way thru the OP. I actually thought he was joking with that sort of overly specific description set.

In fact, now I'm kinda hoping he was...

well you see. it is funny even when you read it. this is exactly this reaction you get while watching horror movies: head splash <loud woaaa>. but yes, you may treat it as a joke, one seriously manufactured joke.
it is nothing really out of ordinary, brutality is everywhere and people love it. at least rankings of brutal tv series shows it.

The_Sadist wrote: »

Horrible poll is horrible.

I don't see the point. The Elder Scrolls series had blood, but not gore.

normally I don't do it. but looking at your name. oh irony!

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

AlienSlof wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

There is the small matter that you can not say whether or not revelling in bloodshed (even digital bloodshed) has a destructive effect on your psyche. We can, you can't. Likewise I can't say whether it has a negative effect on me, other people can, but I myself can't.

^ This ^

I love blood and gore in games and movies. Does this make me a psychopath?

No.

In real life, I'm a little old cat lady who rescues kittens. I know to keep some things to fantasy.

No one was claiming that videogames create psychopaths. Personally, I have no issue with gore in my media.

However, the OP isn't talking about gore. He is reveling, with childlike glee, at the idea of mutilation and torture. He is asserting that anyone who doesn't share his thirst for blood is weak for not enjoying the sight.

Ask any soldier who's witnessed real bloodshed whether they think that this is a healthy point of view for a civilian to have.

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Rosveen · July 2014

No - I'm weak and such horrible things are not for me. our world is already brutal. I do not want to see it in my games!

Bring on the gore.

AlexDougherty · July 2014

Yes - Blood - just blood; blood pools, bloodied weapons and bodies

Surinen wrote: »

in fact, I think that a good soldier is the one who likes to kill, it is his job.

Um, no. A good soldier is one who DOESN'T like killing, but will do so without hesitation when it's part of his job.

A soldier who enjoys the killing is on the way to psychiatric therapy, intense psychiatric therapy. A soldier who is enjoying killing will have an even harder time adjusting to civilian life when his soldiering days are over.

Nox_Aeterna · July 2014

While i think this could be cool ,but i see too many problems in this to really make it worth while.

And i mean a LOT of problems deppending on how the game was written.

arena25 · July 2014

No - I'm weak and such horrible things are not for me. our world is already brutal. I do not want to see it in my games!

To all who voted "Yes: Full Mode", Arena25 want to ask you the following question:

Imagine you have a 6-year old child, and for some reason, he/she knows your password and username and manages to get in to your account. Now that child is playing the game, and he starts seeing blood and gore. I can bet you 200 gold that he will not only have nightmares for a week, he will become the new face of the age-old "Kids and Internet: A Dangerous Combo?" debate. What would you do? Now not only is your kid having nightmares, ZeniMax is coming under fire from lawyers, behavior specialists, school counselors, teachers...the list is endless.

And again, it would cause massive UI and Visual headaches for ZeniMax.

The answer is simple.

No blood and gore.

Signed,

Shedelin
Scribe to Arena25

P.S. Arena25 wanted me to mention to you that although it is rated M for Mature, kids are crafty, some more than others. And do remember that stores that are selling M rated games are required that the purchaser show his/her drivers license when the purchaser attempts to buy an M-rated game.

Nox_Aeterna · July 2014

arena25 wrote: »

To all who voted "Yes: Full Mode", Arena25 want to ask you the following question:

Imagine you have a 6-year old child, and for some reason, he/she knows your password and username and manages to get in to your account. Now that child is playing the game, and he starts seeing blood and gore. I can bet you 200 gold that he will not only have nightmares for a week, he will become the new face of the age-old "Kids and Internet: A Dangerous Combo?" debate. What would you do? Now not only is your kid having nightmares, ZeniMax is coming under fire from lawyers, behavior specialists, school counselors, teachers...the list is endless.

And again, it would cause massive UI and Visual headaches for ZeniMax.

The answer is simple.

No blood and gore.

Signed,

Shedelin
Scribe to Arena25

P.S. Arena25 wanted me to mention to you that although it is rated M for Mature, kids are crafty, some more than others. And do remember that stores that are selling M rated games are required that the purchaser show his/her drivers license when the purchaser attempts to buy an M-rated game.

Hahahaha , man , if you allowed your kid to get you pass and acc , that is your fault.

That is like saying that if your kid got your steam acc/pass , goes in , jumps into fear/doom... plays and gets nightmares , that is steams fault.

No , that is a stupid parents fault.

Even if we forget games , a kid can see some hard core stuff on the web by just using google.

Bottom line , dont let little kids use the internet without supervision.

Nymirah · July 2014

Surinen wrote: »

well you see. it is funny even when you read it. this is exactly this reaction you get while watching horror movies: head splash <loud woaaa>. but yes, you may treat it as a joke, one seriously manufactured joke.
it is nothing really out of ordinary, brutality is everywhere and people love it. at least rankings of brutal tv series shows it.

Some people love it...

The global population is large enough that only very small percentage of people need to have and excited interest in a particular medium or method of story telling for it to be a worthwhile and marketable endeavor to producers.

You know, one of my first crappy jobs as a teenager was actually in a video rental store (hey remember those?) and I can say with an informed confidence that it really is a small and niche crowd who genuinely revels in gore flicks. The vast majority of people don't really like horror films that much, and of those who do, they tend to be going more for a freak out factor than a gross out one.

But that's just demographics. People can watch whatever they like, I just think it's a bit of a stretch to claim blood love is common place.

AlexDougherty · July 2014

Yes - Blood - just blood; blood pools, bloodied weapons and bodies

arena25 wrote: »

To all who voted "Yes: Full Mode", Arena25 want to ask you the following question:

Imagine you have a 6-year old child, and for some reason, he/she knows your password and username and manages to get in to your account. Now that child is playing the game, and he starts seeing blood and gore. I can bet you 200 gold that he will not only have nightmares for a week, he will become the new face of the age-old "Kids and Internet: A Dangerous Combo?" debate. What would you do? Now not only is your kid having nightmares, ZeniMax is coming under fire from lawyers, behavior specialists, school counselors, teachers...the list is endless.

I Agree with @Nox_Aeterna if you let your kid play a game, or allow your kid to know your password (both to the computer and the game) then it's you who is responsible.

And all ZOS has to say to those lawyers, Teachers, behaviour specialist and Counselors, is that the parent should take responsibility for LETTING the child get access to the game. I know it's not actually that easy with todays modern media, but that's the line all software companies should be taking.

Parents own up to your parenting responsibilities.

Also any lawyer stupid enough to take the case, because ZOS clearly wouldn't be in the wrong even to a cursory glanceof the facts, deserves to be crushed in court.

Surinen · July 2014

Yes - Blood and Gore - Full Mode

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Surinen wrote: »

in fact, I think that a good soldier is the one who likes to kill, it is his job.

Um, no. A good soldier is one who DOESN'T like killing, but will do so without hesitation when it's part of his job.

A soldier who enjoys the killing is on the way to psychiatric therapy, intense psychiatric therapy. A soldier who is enjoying killing will have an even harder time adjusting to civilian life when his soldiering days are over.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Hahahaha , man , if you allowed your kid to get you pass and acc , that is your fault.

That is like saying that if your kid got your steam acc/pass , goes in , jumps into fear/doom... plays and gets nightmares , that is steams fault.

No , that is a stupid parents fault.

Even if we forget games , a kid can see some hard core stuff on the web by just using google.

Bottom line , dont let little kids use the internet without supervision.

indee, fully agree.

Nymirah wrote: »

Some people love it...

The global population is large enough that only very small percentage of people need to have and excited interest in a particular medium or method of story telling for it to be a worthwhile and marketable endeavor to producers.

You know, one of my first crappy jobs as a teenager was actually in a video rental store (hey remember those?) and I can say with an informed confidence that it really is a small and niche crowd who genuinely revels in gore flicks. The vast majority of people don't really like horror films that much, and of those who do, they tend to be going more for a freak out factor than a gross out one.

But that's just demographics. People can watch whatever they like, I just think it's a bit of a stretch to claim blood love is common place.

yes, but back then tv lacked tv series like we have now. whole spartacus thing and other ultra violent easily accessible shows.well, there is a passion in being grossed out, false very often, iced with a dose of attraction for it.

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jesterstear · July 2014

No thanks to the extra gore option. Many of the enemies you fight are not faceless demons, often times killing them is a morally grey act, a necessary evil.

However, it would be hilarious if your own corpse was left behind in a huge pool of blood every time you died. Did a veteran quest yesterday, "trial of the fang" where you have to fight an elite temple warrior with all healing and health regen disabled and max health reduced due to a debuff the quest puts on you, by the time I finished there would have been a dozen of my own corpses on the ground and the floor ankle deep in blood. This from supposedly friendly npcs at the temple and the other warrior yields when you beat him, wheras when you loose you have to die again... and again and again etc.

Even better when the NPC finally gives you that "well done there" speech as you turn it in, at this point you could just chin him for his insolence as your dead bodies lie on the ground next to him.

Edit - If nothing else it would warn others of player death "blackspots" on the map and quests to think very carefully about accepting.

arena25 · July 2014

No - I'm weak and such horrible things are not for me. our world is already brutal. I do not want to see it in my games!

Hello, Nox.

Consider the following.

Sir Arena25 and I have heard plenty of stories of how games can be purchased by kids online. All they need is a credit card (with basic understanding of it), a computer, and an easily distracted parent (which is easily done if you're Arena25, who leads a bike ride expedition for his neighborhood every morning).

The only way a parent would find out? Ok, make it two ways:

#1: Their credit card bill.
#2: The kid who purchased it has a sister or brother who is a snitch, but this generally doesn't happen, as he/she makes all sisters or brothers who might snitch keep the purchase under wraps.

And before anyone (and Arena25 asked me to emphasize the "anyone") comes at me or Arena25 ready to debunk this, think for a second...What would you do after you found out they made the purchase? Because in the end, you still owe money to ZeniMax.

Thank you for your understanding.

Signed,

Shedelin
Scribe to Arena25

P.S. Arena25 asks that before you respond to this post, to please read up on the issue he is highlighting, the "Internet and Kids: A Dangerous Combo?" debate, which you can find on any major debating website. This one suggests you try Gale's Opposing Viewpoints in Context, which is used by many schools as a database for educational purposes.

shanersimms_ESO · July 2014

Surinen wrote: »

shanersimms_ESO wrote: »

Finding something distasteful has nothing to do with constitution. This is non sequitur. I would simply vote No because this brings no added value to the game and a desire for such graphical imagery is a bit revolting. Your poll is exceptionally biased. There's a term for those who get their jollies from pain and brutality, and as neither of those two terms apply to myself, a simple No is the appropriate vote to case, yet your poll leaves me without that option.

of course it has. the way you react to x y z stimuli defines you. how does it not add any value? emotional value coming from intensive, graphic scenes make our brains 'burn'. such animations and effects may highly enhance the game gameplay value and add grittiness to the world.
yes, there is such term: *** sapiens sapiens. although other animals too.
well, in my very much simplified thread-poll perception I would see you signed under 'no' answer

It may add value to you, if you get off on that sort of thing, but my vote would be No because it adds no value (implied: "to me"). Seeing distasteful images does not enhance the gameplay experience for me, but rather diminishes it's value.

We could also add in beggars dying of starvation, writhing in pain, screaming out for help in the streets. They could add in animations of citizens getting sexually assaulted in dark alleyways. They could add any *insert distasteful element here*. To me it's all in the same category and it doesn't make the game any better.

My point is that your poll is biased because there is no simple "No" answer. You write in "No, I'm weak" as the only non-affirmative choice. Yet as previously stated, this is non-sequitur and not wanting these elements has nothing to do with constitution for a lot of people. For us, it's just distasteful.