Add more morphs to class spells/abilities

It should never have had classes from the start, but now that we're here it might be a tall order to remove them entirely without messing up the system either technically and/or conceptually. A more practical solution might be to simply tweak the current ones for more balance and flexibility.

But still, voting for removing them entirely because if it IS possible to somehow remove the classes without breaking stuff, then they should do it because that's what an Elder Scrolls game should look like.

I'd rather see more classes, not less!

Yes, exactly. Its this over reliance on magicka that for me makes this not feel anything at all like ES.

As a Templar, our best builds only utilize 1 or 2 of our own class skills, so I would love to be able to use all the other OP classes abilities.

But no I don't like the idea of removing classes.

mar1ano1987nrb18_ESO wrote: »

Conjuration, Illusionist, alteration .. should be available to all ...not class specific.
They choose these class sistem because they where afraid to launch the game with a True TES class sistem.

The thing I hate most, is that you have to use magicka even if you want to play a 100% warrior brute.
Never used magicka in any TES game (maybe a couple of restorations, but only on lower levels)

Like I said, it would have been lovely to select major/minors but ultimately that isn't the case. That being said I am relatively disappointed in the current classes and hope new ones are released alongside new skill line.

Well, if you're using class spells you're using Magicka. I see you're a Dragonknight, it sort of makes that all your abilities cost Magicka.. because you know, growing wings or creating flaming whips from thin air probably requires a degree of magical talent.

That being said they do need to rework the system, make some Stamina based class trees or classes, give weapon skills ultimates and, like I previously said, more skill lines for customisation.

As a fan of the Elder Scrolls Series, I do feel that classes could be done away with in favor of a kind of "sign up" system.

Your character doesn't have a class by default, but chooses to sign up for a specific set of trees. You can't have them all at the same time, but you could change them out as you desire.

Any combination of these three trees would qualify you as a particular "class". 4 classes now, 3 trees a class? 12 trees to pick from... 1320 classes?

Or perhaps, you only have access to one tree for each class... or two of the three... but that third one can only be chosen as a "specialization" option.

Would require a lot of work and testing, but I am a fan of more options.

Look. Look closely at the answers of those who voted 'no', for they might be your partners in the future conversation (or in the game itself! Auri-El protects us). Know who are you dealing with. People whose blasphemous thoughts oppose the very idea of The Elder Scrolls.

Truest enemy of ESO is not King of [Snip] but Lorkhan in the form of classs themselves

STOP LORKHAN 2E 582

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The current "class" system doesn't even really feel like a class sytem anyways. At the very least they should change the terminology to "magical school" or somesuch.

At the most they should ungroup the spell lines so players can pick and choose which 3 magical schools their character is adept at.

reagen_lionel wrote: »

Its far too late for them to remove classes.

I feel there really shouldnt had been classes to begin with.

As far as the options, I dont know what to pick, perhaps changing traits or the like.
But right now, they made classes matter far too much than it should have been.

three months ino the game is far too late? if I may mention: Final Fantasy: Reborn scrapped its flawed predecessor.

I'm not a tech spec, far from it, but deletion of classes seem to be a rather easy thing. I do not like bringing other games into discussion, but it must be done this time: WoW has talent overhauls every expansion, they introducde rather big changes.
There is nothing to stop Zenni from changes except for their vision of the game. I'm certain that they do not display ill will towards their work, but unfortunately, in my opinion, they are pursuing after wrong ideas.

Jarnhand wrote: »

Not sure what the point of this (and also several other) polls are. Of course it will never ever happen at this time to remove classes, it would result in a HUGE rewrite of the whole game, and core functionality, and will never ever happen.

Um... I'm a Dev (Not for ZOS), and Avid TES Modder, and No it wouldn't.

It "Would" have to be released with an expansion however. Because yes, it would be a major change, But the only thing (as I have pointed out before) that even remotely relies on the class system is... You, the player. Nothing in Game even references the class system for anything.

It is a stand alone function and can be entirely removed without affecting the game in the slightest if desired. Granted if they removed it and Didn't replace it you'd have a blank character with no class or skills etc, but everything else in game would be fine, you'd still be able to pick up and use any weapon or armor and even craft, you just wouldn't gain Trait" levels, Although you would still gain "Character" levels because the class system does not effect XP gain or loss.

If they left the traits in but removed the classes themselves, all they'd have to do is whip up an interface for trait point distribution and wahlah. Temporary classless system.

This game is not like SWTOR, where your class is integral to your story line and the game play itself.

Classes in this game are 100% separate from everything else, Just like in WoW. I would say this was done on purpose in case this became a serious issue, which it has, so they could change and edit it if need be.

While I'm inclined to promote stability (such a dramatic change would forever create "OP" combinations...

I will admit, I'd love to take Templar's Restoration Tree, Nightblade's Siphoning, Dragon Knight's Draconic Tree. That would be mental.

reagen_lionel wrote: »

They scrapped the entire game altogether, and rebuilt it from the ground up with a new engine.

That doesnt correlate here.

indeed, it does not. here it will take much less work than FF. but still FF is a great example of upgrade.

FlinkeKlinge wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

There are too many traits and skill lines for cookie cutter builds. FOTM and Cookie cutter builds stem from limitation on options for how to build your character forceing you to choose the most "effective" build for your "class" and yes they stem from classes and the limitations set forth by such.

In a free spec open class game with 100s (if not 1000's) of options for customization of your characters skills. Cookie cutter builds are not only impossible, but a seriously invalid concern.

It will be exactly the opposite of what you are predicting.
Before i started playing TESO, i was playing an indie arpg, that took exactly that approach to skills.
The forums over there are full of people complaining about cookie cutter builds.
The problem isn´t with the class system, it´s with the players.
Some people care all about what is (currently and largely subjective) the best way to build a character.
It´s partly lazyness to to try different things for yourself, partly pack behavior and largely due to the fact that people have to "re-learn" playing MMORPG´s after what that other major mmorpg, have done to the genre.
It´s pretty obvious to me, that alot of people ( the same people complaining mostly) just don´t like rpg games, but feel entitled that the dev´s change the game to their liking.

Like I said this wont matter as there is no "Best" Combinations of skills, you can only use 5 at a time. There are too many "Similer skills, with slightly different effects, if you listed every single skill and trait from this game, then said "These 5 are the best", Some one else WOULD come back and go NO these 5 are the best.

Because there are simply too many combinations for any 5 to be the best. It's a numbers thing. If this game was out for 6 years with absolutely NO changes and nothing new added THEN someone MIGHT find an optimal combination.

There are 100's/1000's of traits, and BILLIONS of permutations which have different effects on your character.

Besides, even in WOW when MAGE is FOTM, only about 25% of the player base rolls one, because not everyone wants to play that class or character. Your forgetting that out of the 100's of thousands of people that play ESO, only a very small majority of them actually care about an FOTM.

And even if there was, ZOS will just nerf those skills or "Balance" them to be more in line with the rest of them. But the chances of that happening are slim to none.

NOW, that being said, your character type MIGHT have one. If you want to be a mage there are of course an optimal set of skills to play a DPS mage etc, or Night blade. But that is simple customization. It doesn't mean that the FOTM Nightblade, will be any more powerful then the FOTM Dragoknight, or Mage or whatever.

That "is" "Balance". Where each player preferred character "type" can shine own it's on and be what the player wants. Not some limited locked down system where if you really want to change things up a bit you need to re-roll and spend weeks and months leveling again.

At this point im thinking they should remove the game from he mmo market . Rework it and make a true Mmo. Right now with its broken specs. Thin unrewarding end game. Limited choices for class selection any how. They might consider pulling a final fantasy and redo the whole game and re launch