When will they nerf DK again for PVP?

SRIBES · June 2014

Oh and I forgot to mention that he had all of them cornered in the logs which is a great tactic and many of you should use, don't follow people into corners keep them in a wide open area. He also had mark target on him to help him kill the nightblades quicker I guess while they reflect there attacks that they weren't even paying attention that strife was getting reflected or they didn't know that those wings reflected there spells. Also consider that he has a better computer, mouse/monitor/keyboard then them which helped him win, or that you have a bad one and should upgrade it. A number of things must be taken into account and that this was almost a perfect situation that he was marked, people weren't paying attention and were reflecting there own attacks, (the people who used strife were just healing him and damaging themselves) he had people cornered in his standard, he may have had a good build, and had his ultimate ready. He was also holding block which could have been ripped through if they hadn't reflected there attacks. He had his ultimate up a lot for restoring attributes from losing magika/stamina from reflecting. since they were reflecting there own attacks he killed them fast and with the PvP passive you gain 25 ult each time you kill another player. Some of the players may have been vamps also. The amount of ways to counter this is to damn high.

Reapor · June 2014

First rule of ESO PVP

Dont do it well or make peepz cry nerfs

Second rule off ESO

Try to steam roll everyone and cry nerfs when it dont happen

Tintinabula · June 2014

there are ways to get up close and personal without having to cast projectiles. He seemed to be facing ppl who don't understand what those wings mean.

Erock25 · June 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

When will they nerf nightblades, sorcs and templars? I run with a similar spec as sypher (the video poster and he didn't give you permission to post this as far as I am aware)
Nightblades shades would have torn through his stamina right there that he uses to hold block and mitigate abilities. He wasn't using the sybrane set in the video either. Nightblades ultimate veil of blades+harness magika makes you take 0 spell damage and 60% less melee damage while the shield holds. Also there is a bug where whatever spell the dk reflects (whether it be a bow attack or crystal fragments) it costs them the same amount as magika that it did the caster. Ex if a sorcs frags cost 300 (150 on proc) it costs the dragonknight 300 magika. Same goes for bow abiltes/flying blade but it drains stamina. And it's easy to see those big ass wings flop in the middle of a fight also. I've worked with sypher on some theorycrafting over at tamriel foundry forums and if you watch his streams or even run with a similar build you will have a hard time with templars, it will be a long fight but they will out heal dragonknight damage since we have no true burst other then whip. Sorcerers curse has hit me up to 900 and i've also been streaked through without my dragon fire scale up then they hit me with fragments. There are plenty of ways to counter it. Green dragon blood is 33% missing health, smart dks use it when they get low health which can be countered by adding a execute on your hotbar, if used when at above 25% health it's a magika waste. Don't understand why you *** about battle roar since it's only on ults. DK ultimates have already been nerfed and you have to be a dumb ass to sit around in standard.. Magma armor is destroyed through DoTs and only lasts 10 seconds. If you are having a hard time in PvP I reccomend you hit level cap if you havent, get better gear, make sure your build is viable, have food buffs up and a pot ready to chug at your disposal. If you aren't skilled enough join a dueling guild and practice. The only thing weak in PvP is stamina builds but that's another topic. Any class can be OP with the right build and people will die to a player more skilled or with a better build then them and come bitching on the forums about it. God I swear people cry to zos about anything that kills them..

@AsweetRoll‌

Stopped reading your walls of text at at questioning permission to post a youtube video. My guess is that you play a dk and made a bunch of excuses for why reflective scale isn't that powerful but what you fail to realize is no other skill in the game will let you survive 5-6 people attacking you at once like that. Watch the video again. He runs behind the logs and gets discovered and they all attack at once. Five people opening up on him and for 4 seconds he only goes down to 88% HP. There is no other skill in the game that would let another class survive that.

"Melee needs to attack when reflective scale is up!" Yeah well they did, but standard and talons put an end to that. Not to mention that it restored large quantities of HP, Magicka, and Stamina.

Imagine if he actually had Syrabane set on. His magicka wouldnt have gone below 60%.

SRIBES · June 2014

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

When will they nerf nightblades, sorcs and templars? I run with a similar spec as sypher (the video poster and he didn't give you permission to post this as far as I am aware)
Nightblades shades would have torn through his stamina right there that he uses to hold block and mitigate abilities. He wasn't using the sybrane set in the video either. Nightblades ultimate veil of blades+harness magika makes you take 0 spell damage and 60% less melee damage while the shield holds. Also there is a bug where whatever spell the dk reflects (whether it be a bow attack or crystal fragments) it costs them the same amount as magika that it did the caster. Ex if a sorcs frags cost 300 (150 on proc) it costs the dragonknight 300 magika. Same goes for bow abiltes/flying blade but it drains stamina. And it's easy to see those big ass wings flop in the middle of a fight also. I've worked with sypher on some theorycrafting over at tamriel foundry forums and if you watch his streams or even run with a similar build you will have a hard time with templars, it will be a long fight but they will out heal dragonknight damage since we have no true burst other then whip. Sorcerers curse has hit me up to 900 and i've also been streaked through without my dragon fire scale up then they hit me with fragments. There are plenty of ways to counter it. Green dragon blood is 33% missing health, smart dks use it when they get low health which can be countered by adding a execute on your hotbar, if used when at above 25% health it's a magika waste. Don't understand why you *** about battle roar since it's only on ults. DK ultimates have already been nerfed and you have to be a dumb ass to sit around in standard.. Magma armor is destroyed through DoTs and only lasts 10 seconds. If you are having a hard time in PvP I reccomend you hit level cap if you havent, get better gear, make sure your build is viable, have food buffs up and a pot ready to chug at your disposal. If you aren't skilled enough join a dueling guild and practice. The only thing weak in PvP is stamina builds but that's another topic. Any class can be OP with the right build and people will die to a player more skilled or with a better build then them and come bitching on the forums about it. God I swear people cry to zos about anything that kills them..

@AsweetRoll‌

Stopped reading your walls of text at at questioning permission to post a youtube video. My guess is that you play a dk and made a bunch of excuses for why reflective scale isn't that powerful but what you fail to realize is no other skill in the game will let you survive 5-6 people attacking you at once like that. Watch the video again. He runs behind the logs and gets discovered and they all attack at once. Five people opening up on him and for 4 seconds he only goes down to 88% HP. There is no other skill in the game that would let another class survive that.

"Melee needs to attack when reflective scale is up!" Yeah well they did, but standard and talons put an end to that. Not to mention that it restored large quantities of HP, Magicka, and Stamina.

Imagine if he actually had Syrabane set on. His magicka wouldnt have gone below 60%.

Well read it! You're the one who's begging for nerfs but won't take the time to read a post. And actually no. I play every class and have vr 1+ on each class. The reason he won came down to chances that he had as I explained but you didn't read. Go read it then you can argue... I posted so many counters, please go read it. And talons is a joke with curse eater and efficient purge running+ dks other DoTs. Keep damage shields up like harness and there attacks are shot to ***, that's just a sample of what I put in there. The 2nd post consisted of why he won. I warned him of posting this that people like you would complain, because like I said people complain about everything that kills them. Any class can be "OP" with the right build..

monkeymystic · June 2014

AsweetRoll wrote: »

When will they nerf nightblades, sorcs and templars? I run with a similar spec as sypher (the video poster and he didn't give you permission to post this as far as I am aware)
Nightblades shades would have torn through his stamina right there that he uses to hold block and mitigate abilities. He wasn't using the sybrane set in the video either. Nightblades ultimate veil of blades+harness magika makes you take 0 spell damage and 60% less melee damage while the shield holds. Also there is a bug where whatever spell the dk reflects (whether it be a bow attack or crystal fragments) it costs them the same amount as magika that it did the caster. Ex if a sorcs frags cost 300 (150 on proc) it costs the dragonknight 300 magika. Same goes for bow abiltes/flying blade but it drains stamina. And it's easy to see those big ass wings flop in the middle of a fight also. I've worked with sypher on some theorycrafting over at tamriel foundry forums and if you watch his streams or even run with a similar build you will have a hard time with templars, it will be a long fight but they will out heal dragonknight damage since we have no true burst other then whip. Sorcerers curse has hit me up to 900 and i've also been streaked through without my dragon fire scale up then they hit me with fragments. There are plenty of ways to counter it. Green dragon blood is 33% missing health, smart dks use it when they get low health which can be countered by adding a execute on your hotbar, if used when at above 25% health it's a magika waste. Don't understand why you *** about battle roar since it's only on ults. DK ultimates have already been nerfed and you have to be a dumb ass to sit around in standard.. Magma armor is destroyed through DoTs and only lasts 10 seconds. If you are having a hard time in PvP I reccomend you hit level cap if you havent, get better gear, make sure your build is viable, have food buffs up and a pot ready to chug at your disposal. If you aren't skilled enough join a dueling guild and practice. The only thing weak in PvP is stamina builds but that's another topic. Any class can be OP with the right build and people will die to a player more skilled or with a better build then them and come bitching on the forums about it. God I swear people cry to zos about anything that kills them..

Very good post that explains it well.

I have several classes, my main is a vr 12 templar and I can easily admit that both my templar and sorc feels more powerful overall in pvp now than my dk after all the nerfs to it and buffs to temp.
My dk also lacks both any kind of range class abilities or escape abilities, and that is a huge weakness.

People need to learn their class before complaining on absolutely everything, or that some better skilled player killed them in pvp.

People look on stuff with a blindfold and automatically assume this and that without getting any understanding on the matter.
The dk reflect is bugged and drains resources, making it pretty stupid to use often, and is worse than the templar reflect i often use IMO.
It is dependant on syrabane set to even work against those stupid enough to not see the big flapping wings

Check out the blazing shield bombing + puncture sweep templars, veil of blades + damage shield + cloak NBs (or just instakill opening NB build), or critical surge super selfheal crit build + 2H/destro + damage shield sorcerers and you will see some seriously strong combos that truly faceroll.

Reflective scales build is a joke compared to all that, because reflective scales only work on really bad players that have no clue what reflects are and never learn.
And reflective scales suffers from the resource drain bug that still isnt fixed, and 100% requires syrabane set to even work

If you get killed by reflects, you have nobody to blame except yourself..
Dont whine because you want this game to be so easymode you dont even have to open your eyes when you play.

DKs is the only class that lack any 28m range spells, this is the least they should have as a way of defending against all other classes with range damage. Especially since other classes have both reflects/spell absorbs as well as range.

SRIBES · June 2014

monkeymystic wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

When will they nerf nightblades, sorcs and templars? I run with a similar spec as sypher (the video poster and he didn't give you permission to post this as far as I am aware)
Nightblades shades would have torn through his stamina right there that he uses to hold block and mitigate abilities. He wasn't using the sybrane set in the video either. Nightblades ultimate veil of blades+harness magika makes you take 0 spell damage and 60% less melee damage while the shield holds. Also there is a bug where whatever spell the dk reflects (whether it be a bow attack or crystal fragments) it costs them the same amount as magika that it did the caster. Ex if a sorcs frags cost 300 (150 on proc) it costs the dragonknight 300 magika. Same goes for bow abiltes/flying blade but it drains stamina. And it's easy to see those big ass wings flop in the middle of a fight also. I've worked with sypher on some theorycrafting over at tamriel foundry forums and if you watch his streams or even run with a similar build you will have a hard time with templars, it will be a long fight but they will out heal dragonknight damage since we have no true burst other then whip. Sorcerers curse has hit me up to 900 and i've also been streaked through without my dragon fire scale up then they hit me with fragments. There are plenty of ways to counter it. Green dragon blood is 33% missing health, smart dks use it when they get low health which can be countered by adding a execute on your hotbar, if used when at above 25% health it's a magika waste. Don't understand why you *** about battle roar since it's only on ults. DK ultimates have already been nerfed and you have to be a dumb ass to sit around in standard.. Magma armor is destroyed through DoTs and only lasts 10 seconds. If you are having a hard time in PvP I reccomend you hit level cap if you havent, get better gear, make sure your build is viable, have food buffs up and a pot ready to chug at your disposal. If you aren't skilled enough join a dueling guild and practice. The only thing weak in PvP is stamina builds but that's another topic. Any class can be OP with the right build and people will die to a player more skilled or with a better build then them and come bitching on the forums about it. God I swear people cry to zos about anything that kills them..

Very good post that explains it well.

I have several classes, my main is a vr 12 templar and I can easily admit that both my templar and sorc feels more powerful overall in pvp now than my dk after all the nerfs to it and buffs to temp.
My dk also lacks both any kind of range class abilities or escape abilities, and that is a huge weakness.

People need to learn their class before complaining on absolutely everything, or that some better skilled player killed them in pvp.

People look on stuff with a blindfold and automatically assume this and that without getting any understanding on the matter.
The dk reflect is bugged and drains resources, making it pretty stupid to use often, and is worse than the templar reflect i often use IMO.
It is dependant on syrabane set to even work against those stupid enough to not see the big flapping wings

Check out the blazing shield bombing + puncture sweep templars, veil of blades + damage shield + cloak NBs (or just instakill opening NB build), or critical surge super selfheal crit build + 2H/destro + damage shield sorcerers and you will see some seriously strong combos that truly faceroll.

Reflective scales build is a joke compared to all that, because reflective scales only work on really bad players that have no clue what reflects are and never learn.
And reflective scales suffers from the resource drain bug that still isnt fixed, and 100% requires syrabane set to even work

If you get killed by reflects, you have nobody to blame except yourself..
Dont whine because you want this game to be so easymode you dont even have to open your eyes when you play.

DKs is the only class that lack any 28m range spells, this is the least they should have as a way of defending against all other classes with range damage. Especially since other classes have both reflects/spell absorbs as well as range.

Thank you!

Mortosk · June 2014

ArRashid wrote: »

Ahem. Aren't those giant wings visible enough to stop noobs from casting spells for 4 seconds?
If they just waited, his dps potential would slowly reach zero, because he would just have to spam reflect without getting any magicka back, and you'd also STOP HITTING YOURSELF!

Or just give Syrabane a long internal cooldown, like most proc sets have. That way you can deal with this build WITHOUT hurting whole class.

I'd like to know what happens in the fight where 2 ppl have spell reflect (2 templars, 2 DKs, templar vs DK) would all spells bounce between them till one of them would run out of magicka for reflects and get burned instantly?

Them are some scary assed wings. If I saw those I'd run the other way and forget about casting.

Singular · June 2014

madangrypally wrote: »

Bad players fighting a good player is what I watched. He used line of site and reflect and his enemies were dumb enough to get slaughtered.

DKs are at a great spot right now and should not be nerfed. (I pvp solo as a VR2 sorc and pvp group as a VR12 templar).

IMO for PvP all classes are sitting at a decent spot though Templars are a little weaker atm. (only a little). If they ever changed Dark Flare increase spell power to 6 seconds instead of next attack then Templars will be fine.

Teach me how to pvp as a sorc! I suck

Singular · June 2014

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

But isn't that kind of the problem? Think of all the things you can't do when fighting a DK:

--Don't stand near his standard.
--Don't get hit by his Talons
--Don't cast a spell projectile at him
--Don't use ultimates on him
--Don't melee attack him

There are just so many things you can't do, it locks you into doing very little. The DK just has so many good options, especially compared to NBs and Templars.

So...what do you do? Call him harsh names?

dafraorb16_ESO · June 2014

another noob post from monkeymystic.
A NB only can instantkill from the stealth and all the classes have reflects/spells absorbs

ArconSeptim · June 2014

You so dumb people stop nerfing classes, you so jealous on other skills, but every skill is OP look at NB they are way better than DKs, not to mention others TEMPL...

dafraorb16_ESO · June 2014

lol we just want a balanced game.
If you are bad at videogames and want a god mode class this isn't our fault

Katarina · June 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvq-oAKTAXc
The whole PvP video in a nutshell, is the glass overpowered too?

SRIBES · June 2014

dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »

another noob post from monkeymystic.
A NB only can instantkill from the stealth and all the classes have reflects/spells absorbs

Calling bull *** on that one. One class has a reflect ability, the rest are damage shields and since your armor, spell resist, and blocking mitigation doesn't count with them up it only really works with barrier up+harness.
Veil of blades + harness magika=0 spell damage! This is OP! It mitigates all spell abilities while your ult is up. Your other ultimate cuts dks healing in half there's the counter for dragons blood! Summon shades rip through people stamina like crazy considering everyone holds block non stop and casts active abilites. Use youe fear and spam strife for more heals so you don't risk it being reflected. Go invis and use surprise attack for 100% crit chance. Have a resto staff equipped and combat prayer buff running for more damage, use ambush for 30% damage buff to next attack, be a khajiit for 10% damage buff while hidden. Then you burst them.. Use impale to stop dragons blood.

born2beagator · June 2014

The issue is they don't nerf "for pvp" the nerf hits pve too.

Since I never play pvp this is rather irritating to me and why I usually have ill feelings towards the pvp crowd in every game. You whine until you get something nerfed and for some reason the devs can't figure out how to or are too lazy to balance separately.

Stratti · June 2014

Setup much. This so called evidence of OP is one ability they videoed while having a laugh for the purpose of trolling. Its a setup nothing to see here .

bg22 · June 2014

madangrypally wrote: »

Bad players fighting a good player is what I watched. He used line of site and reflect and his enemies were dumb enough to get slaughtered.

DKs are at a great spot right now and should not be nerfed. (I pvp solo as a VR2 sorc and pvp group as a VR12 templar).

IMO for PvP all classes are sitting at a decent spot though Templars are a little weaker atm. (only a little). If they ever changed Dark Flare increase spell power to 6 seconds instead of next attack then Templars will be fine.

Lol You're a joke. Just like everyone else that is defending that video. No, the player isn't good. He doesn't use ANY impressive movement, dodge rolls or anything of the sort. He walks around blocking, and spamming all of the most OP spells in the game.

I could train my dog to "be that good".

KariTR · June 2014

Katarina wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvq-oAKTAXc
The whole PvP video in a nutshell, is the glass overpowered too?

I hope you got permission to post that

SRIBES · June 2014

The lack of time people put into investing a good build for there class is a joke... So you take the time to start a thread on it but don't bother to read proper counter build

bg22 wrote: »

madangrypally wrote: »

Bad players fighting a good player is what I watched. He used line of site and reflect and his enemies were dumb enough to get slaughtered.

DKs are at a great spot right now and should not be nerfed. (I pvp solo as a VR2 sorc and pvp group as a VR12 templar).

IMO for PvP all classes are sitting at a decent spot though Templars are a little weaker atm. (only a little). If they ever changed Dark Flare increase spell power to 6 seconds instead of next attack then Templars will be fine.

Lol You're a joke. Just like everyone else that is defending that video. No, the player isn't good. He doesn't use ANY impressive movement, dodge rolls or anything of the sort. He walks around blocking, and spamming all of the most OP spells in the game.

I could train my dog to "be that good".

He doesn't run around using the most OP abilities.. He's going to make a video of him fighting with his bear hands and naked to prove it's skill so people stop bitching for nerfs. If it's so easy you go ahead and make a dk, level it up and record a video of you doing it. You're all talk. No dodge rolls were required and it would have wasted stamina. DK's don't need a nerf what eso does need is for people to stop crying and starting threads on the game because they lost to a player more skilled then them, had a better build, was a higher level, had a better computer etc. so many things must be taken into account before you say the dragonknight class is op and requires no skill to play.

Sypher · June 2014

Stratti wrote: »

Setup much. This so called evidence of OP is one ability they videoed while having a laugh for the purpose of trolling. Its a setup nothing to see here .

Conspiracy theories now a days.

SaibotLiu · June 2014

lol DK's.

Most DK's are terrible players. The proof is in the fact that if you pit a terrible DK against a terrible any other class, the DK wins by default and loses no health. If you pit a skilled DK against a skilled any other class the DK wins by default and loses no health.

As a nightblade I can kill DK's, because they're mostly like big marshmellowly toddlers. But to deny that the class has totally FUBARed PVP with a total disregard for balance or fairplay is hilarious. The class needs its nuts cut off.

Vis · June 2014

My issue with DKs is the price of scales.

It's almost the same price as bolt PRE nerf. So we had (and still have) DKs qq'ing about post sorc nerf "bolt spam" when even in our hay day we could not spam it as much as DKs can spam scales now.

I am sick and tired of qq'ing DKs when they still have the ability to be permanently immune from ALL ranged single target damage from ALL attackers. It's nuts to imagine.

Am I asking for a DK nerf? No!

Am I asking for DKs to shut up and stop playing their violins? Yes!

Cogo · June 2014

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Muletide wrote: »

It's the DK's fault that people can't read enemy cues (giant wings popping up) and holding projectile casts? And it's also the DK's fault people don't dodge roll out of Talons and avoid a giant red circle? I didn't see anyone go toe-to-toe 10 on 1 in that video. Sensationalism much?

If you are a group fighting a DK, have on person slot purge. DK will be dead in a matter of his stamina bar.

1v1 however they are extremely annoying since they are able to spam invasion and talons while holding block indefinitely.

Heh, try me 1v1, and you one shot me. :-p (Because I am very very crap in pvp)

Dalriaden · June 2014

Dk's so op yet Bloodthorns dk emp can be killed by a templar tank and dk using nothing but a resto staff heavy attacks >.> Hell the templar tank almost killed him solo.

Xsorus · June 2014

Dalriaden wrote: »

Dk's so op yet Bloodthorns dk emp can be killed by a templar tank and dk using nothing but a resto staff heavy attacks >.> Hell the templar tank almost killed him solo.

That's more to do with Blazing Shield then anything

Cogo · June 2014

Except for the exploit, I am not so sure anyone can yell OP over getting beaten as easy now. Skill and teamwork is involved.

monkeymystic · June 2014

After all the buffs, NBs still complain about those times when they can't kill a another player in 3 seconds during their unbreakable stun (a VR 12 NB still usually kills another player in 2-3 seconds with a good build, and the enemy can do nothing while stunned that cant be broken).
Never happy, not even when they have the best burst in the entire game COMBINED with invisibility/a way to escape.
Other classes have started to whine a lot about NBs in pvp lately, it's a reason for it.

Sorcerers complain when their own OP spells with 36-40 meter range gets reflected back at them. And complain reflect is too good.

NEWSFLASH: It's your own spells dealing that much damage! Learn to not nuke people blindfolded, and watch for big flapping wings or the templar reflect! It's not hard.
It's like learning how to use basic mechanics like dodge, it's expected to actually have to use the brain a tiny bit.
DKs have to spend more magicka than you on it too, because the ability is heavily bugged.
Imagine how it is for the rest to get critted by your instant spells for up to 1000 damage a pop, while you stand on a mountain 40 meters away.

*It's ironic when a Sorc complains his own sorc spells are dealing too much damage when they are simply reflected back, because the sorc did not pay attention*

Templars don't whine as much anymore, simply because they have gotten very good pvp buffs and become the hardest class to kill in pvp currently.
I feel we are in a very good spot with blazing shield, nova buff, remembarence cc immunity, puncturing sweep heals, passive fixes, sun fire and dark flare buff. We also have spell reflect that lasts longer than the dk reflect, and it does not suffer from the resource loss bug.

Take a look at your build, your playstyle, how the mechanics of skills actually work, and try to learn from it instead of rushing and saying "omg nerfff" because a player killed you because he was simply better than you, and you basically killed yourself because you didnt know what reflect is (you have had 50 levels + veteran to learn that already, just like dodge).

If they nerfed DK reflect because of bad players, they would have to nerf Templar reflect too, along with the spell absorb from sorcerer ball of lightning (an ability that already does 2 other things, stun + escape, as well).

You want to remove everything in the game so we all are left with light attacks only, because players actually die from abilities, and bad players that dont pay attention die from reflects and their own spells?

joshisanonymous · June 2014

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm using Warlock Not Syrabane. Also, I'm not "immature" yes I am 18, but I honestly was surprised about the outcome of the fight (Over reacted, but oh well)

I actually find it very relieving that you're 18, because that's about a reasonable amount of bro-ness for 18.

Glad you're enjoying yourself that much.

I don't think the fact that you're using the Warlock set will help your cause in the slightest. That means you'd likely survive quite a bit longer if you switched out Lamae for Syrabane. I mean, you're using reflect a lot and your magicka is 80%+ nearly all the time, how is that even happening? If your magicka regeneration is purely a result of stats and 1 fairly minor boost every 60+ seconds, then the only thing anyone could ask to have nerfed would be the ability.. or magicka regeneration maybe.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

I am really sorry, but if any class is able to sustain / reflect / absorb / outheal attacks from SIX players then there is something very wrong.

6 ppl must kill you even with normal attacks. But whatever... I see that ESO pvp does not want to be even close to tes game, so there is no reason to be mad anymore about things which will never change.

This is a very poor argument. If an average player can do this, sure, it's too much, but the fact that it's possible alone is actually a good thing, because that means there's a high skill ceiling in the game. Extremely good players should be able to take on 6 players because as soon as something like that becomes literally impossible (i.e. 6 people spamming basic attacks being enough to kill anyone of any skill), then numbers become the sole focus of all PvP.

As much as some people don't like GW2 (I find the meta-game there boring myself), the skill ceiling for combat in that game is super high. For instance, this guy has been making videos using this one class ever since launch. He's made them when the class was easily overpowered, he's made them right after huge nerfs, and he's made them using a ridiculous amount of different builds that require different playstyles. The common thread is that he's always able to take on larger numbers. There are plenty of players who couldn't do what he does even when the class was overpowered. That's a healthy skill ceiling and something that you should want for ESO.

I'm not passing judgment on where Sypher's build/skill lies, I'm just saying that you need to look at more than just "one player one time took out 6 people, nerf this."

dafraorb16_ESO · June 2014

monkeymystic stop humiliate yourself little kid