I wish more people would use TeamSpeak, because now we have to take time to assign someone a duty to mirror voice commands in text format, taking away the fun for those who's turn it is to type commands. I used to be anti-voice, but now I wouldn't do it any other way. So much easier to listen and talk and move your character and type commands. It gets to be frustrating. At the very least download teamspeak so you can listen to voice commands, you don't have to even talk, at least you'd know whats going on. Anywho guys, give voice/headsets a chance.

You can't stay 1998 forever, ya know..

gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »

If you knew how many times small-group guilds with elite geared and max level players helped your faction by holding up twice their numbers you'd probably stop raging and go get better at PvP.

Fixed that for you. Since about half of most zergs are made up on undergeared sub 50s with access to only half of their skills, it is not necessarily skill that is winning these fights for you. Not saying it can't be, but squashing a hundred ants isn't proof that you are good.

I'm still amazed that people sign up to be fodder...I stopped pvping until I hit V1 for the most part for these reasons.

Fixed? There are plenty terrible V12's out there dying to low VR's every day. Get better at PvP.

Yes, but they aren't dying to level 30s. Well unless they are really, really bad...might even require afk or a disconnect.

The real point here is, if you really think you are some sort of badass for killing what is essentially a horde of low-level mobs...amazingly, I am just at a loss for words.

Bloodvax wrote: »

Like the guild on Dawnbreaker that turned all the oil pots backwards and set up siege in random locations away from the fighting to cap out the siege limit so the other side could take the keep faster.

That is actually a preety good subversive strategy... thank you for sharing...

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

OP got rolled by an organized guild and is crying on the forums about it. See some of his past posts to get an idea of what kind of game he wants ESO pvp to be.

Nothing to see here.

Rolled? LOL... Did you even read me other threads? My faction /won the campaign. When there was ever some sort of organization on my faction at any time of day we also dominated (that means prime time).


I have yet to see rival faction do what you are even suggesting. To even suggest what you stated is /denyglobalwarning

KerberosSoldier wrote: »

WHy is E-Sports a mythical fantasy? Because you say it is? Clearly it is not a mythical fantasy since it exists.

E-Sport is very different than the MMO form. Calling MMO PvP for E-Sport in general is in my opinion is an atrocity, not even getting close.

But actual E-Sport exist, with such games to name a few classic ones.. such as Counter-Strike, Quake Series, Starcraft, Xwing vs Tie Fighter & many more, because they hold something that an RPG does not, direct competetion.

Edit:
On note there is one MMO out there that do have E-Sport activity from time to time, known as Eve Online BUT that game also has consequenses if you die that no other MMO has, and loss of XP does not count.

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To the Op.. personally myself has never been treated like a second person with some of those elite groups out there at all, but I do agree to that the term refered to as the pug group do come up.

A few reasons for this, either are people not in the vr, any vr should suffice, they refuse to take orders and work as a unit and some people refuse to get onto a certain voIP that is required for the group whether if it is an 'Elite Guild' or a band of people willing to pull stuff together and wanting to do something.

Yes there is some people that think they are elite because they worked together with some good people and have what I call a bad influence on people, specially because they think they are the king of everything because of some few successes with a good group.

Some of stuff mentioned in the mainthread, is very much true... but also alot of it can be thrown against those players that feel ill treated, such as not willing to do the effort regardless of level to get engaged into stuff... and the first steps to that often can seem scary as hell, but what one should do is to cross that bridge and get along.

Also alot of the elitismn often end out in.. people has tried and tried and tried to get people to do this or that but instead heading into 100 different directions... that often end out in that those that want to do this or that thing.. start to group with each other and do their own stuff.

Even if one just only log in a pvp now and then, if you have the will and ability to work as a team or in teams, willing to hop onto TS3 or Mumble, then there will be a spot for pretty much anyone.

Bramir wrote: »

Hardcore pvp guilds do not farm AP. Hardcore pvp guilds want to stomp on your face after pwning you...AP is a bonus...

Anyone farming anything is not hardcore in any sense of the word...except when used with the word 'farmer'.

Well I used the word "elite" and not Hard Core of course but alas your point is vaild nonetheless.

I love using TS or Vent with people I want to talk to. Most of the huge zerg "community" guilds are as far from elite as you can get. You have 4-5 decent organizers and then a bunch of morons who like to suck on each other *** in TS. I cant handle that.. thats why I mostly play this game solo in AvA.

BTW farming is a valid strategy. With unlimited respawn game you need to attack enemy morale and nothing trims down the zerg then getting farmed hard.

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

thelg wrote: »

BTW farming is a valid strategy. With unlimited respawn game you need to attack enemy morale and nothing trims down the zerg then getting farmed hard.

Farming the wrong enemy doesn't help: Grinding Alessia bridge when forces are needed elsewhere vs DC(EP) for example just causes DC to /wipe the map.

thats true

Thing is that now in most active campaigns only small fraction of people are actually homed to them. Rest just use Hopesfire and other garbage campaigns.

Whoever thought that easy transfer and guesting would work /facepalm.. so ya most people really don't care about the map. It is no really a guild issue.

Remove guesting, travel to player and make campaign transfer like 200k.. boom people will care. I don't think this will happen though.

thelg wrote: »

I love using TS or Vent with people I want to talk to. Most of the huge zerg "community" guilds are as far from elite as you can get. You have 4-5 decent organizers and then a bunch of morons who like to suck on each other *** in TS. I cant handle that.. thats why I mostly play this game solo in AvA.

BTW farming is a valid strategy. With unlimited respawn game you need to attack enemy morale and nothing trims down the zerg then getting farmed hard.

Organized PvP only a few people talk in those regarding to voIPs, it is the same with more serious raid alike content.

If everyone talk.. and how the day has been and whatsoever else, the discipline is to keep quiet and act according to what is best for the group and call out if you see enemies from the south, west or whichever, if it is taking this or that keep you do so. if it is causing a pain in the ass to their groups while other groups secure keeps, then that is how it is supposed to be.

Might sound a bit black and white... but this better organized you keep more strict communication discipline, doesn't stop one from adding suggestions on what to take over next when it is 'peacefull'

But you can add in stuff like if you have just been killed by a group you can't grant AP by dying again the next 15minutes or so, it is a slight work around and not a half bad suggestion either, add a cool down = slow down the farming... could be done with keeps, resources and others as well, keeping or maybe making it a more circulating thing.

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

ESO is not an E-Sport: The concept of an "E-sport" is a mythical fantasy. What happens however, is that instead of "winning" the map and taking/holding Emperor, an "elite" guild would much rather farm AP in order to boost their ranks.

As a result... servers including ones with high populations of these "Elite" guilds never go anywhere because they upset the balance of player population. They don't never hold what they take, they don't even care about Emperor most of the time, and the "randoms" that log in are thus clueless to everything. Nobody wins because "Elite" guilds only want to fight other "Elite" guilds and could care less about the End Game to which is the purpose of PvP.

Even if they do try to win (and farm Emperor Title) they will grief the life out of "non-elite" players. It would be better if they simply did not exist in this game in the first place. I don't want a bunch of /epicfail players:

1. Running around and not telling anyone what they are doing

2. Commiting forces (servers have pop cap which makes this a problem) into suicide situations that causes the entire faction to wipe, such as taking random keeps that do not further a strategy

3. Treat everyone else on the server as "lesser humans" such as "randoms" (players not associated with elite guilds)

4. Pretend that they actually are skilled when only few of them actually are

5. Assume that VoiceChat/Teamspeak is the ONLY vaild form of in-game communication and thus anything else is trash

6. Create "farming situations"... whereas intentionally losing in order to pull aggro to a keep... thus farming the inc players for AP

7. Disrupting chats by insulting players in /zone or otherwise

8. Hostile to thier own faction... treating them like enemies instead of the rival factions

9. Refusing to help new players (or even acknowledge their existance) learn PvP


Why should you care? Do you want the game to go F2P and/or be shut down? IT will if you "ban" 95-99% of the player base; who pays the subscription fees that fund this game from PvPing, for not being "good enough". Elite guilds only serve to destroy their own enviroment... like overpopulation. Until they understand this concept they will nuke one game's PvP after another. This "griefing" will never end until the "rest of us" realize this same-faction domestic violence is occuring and thus stand up to it so.


UPDATE: I got a new reason to add to list...
10. Guilds bail a server because the player(s) in first doesn't wish to give it up to be Emperor farmed (thus plunging server into chaos)


....looks like my server (EU DAWNBREAKER) is about to be /doom as well...

Thus the "community" of DAWNBREAKER has been completely been destroyed simply due to actions of what appears to be at least 4 elite guilds leaving. This destroys the ability for anyone else on the server to enjoy the game as well.

I cannot rebuild Rome in a day... and thus this server, to which EP dominated, is lost to DC until ZeniMax finally shuts it down: ZeniMax's intention to shutdown all PvP servers is thus a self-fullfilling prophecy.


As a result I am lost to the game as well it is so...

Thank you, we are all a little dumber for having read this.

NookyZooky wrote: »

gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

gorant1313ub17_ESO wrote: »

If you knew how many times small-group guilds with elite geared and max level players helped your faction by holding up twice their numbers you'd probably stop raging and go get better at PvP.

Fixed that for you. Since about half of most zergs are made up on undergeared sub 50s with access to only half of their skills, it is not necessarily skill that is winning these fights for you. Not saying it can't be, but squashing a hundred ants isn't proof that you are good.

I'm still amazed that people sign up to be fodder...I stopped pvping until I hit V1 for the most part for these reasons.

Fixed? There are plenty terrible V12's out there dying to low VR's every day. Get better at PvP.

course... a L2Per........ why don't you roll a NB, get him/her to VR1, go to PvP, and try to fight anyone above VR5/6. you wont last long, EXCEPT if you get a sneak hit, and they don't heal, which they almost always spam self heals like crazy. your stuns almost will never work, because the game wants you to be close to their lvl for your stuns and interrupts to work, so you cant even stop their attacks. IT would not be a problem, if 85% of the population, was not VR12:/ again, roll a NB, get them to VR1, fight someone about 4 or 5 Vr lvls above you, you likely will be slaughtered.

Your using the wrong build then.

Ah... The Mistress aka TheGrandAlliance never ceases to amuse me. Biggest troll, drama queen, and utter *** to have ever graced this game and EU Dawnbreaker.

Saw him/her/it exploiting and putting up forward camps at the DC northern and southern High Rock gate, trolling in zone chat all day long, ah... hilarious.

I also like how you keep saying it's "your" server, lol. Funny, cause I've never even seen you in the actual game participating in battles. You just /afk somewhere where its safe and then flood zone chat with your pathetic trolling or whatever you do. I assume it's trolling since you can't even spell 1 word correctly, yet on these forums you can actually manage to write actual sentences. Truly hilarious.

Rylana wrote: »

A NB is the most dangerous 1v1 class, period.

Not only do they have the jump in any circumstance, but they have perma stunlock, the highest single target burst, and can be kitted out for a multitude of really nasty debuff builds.

Every other profession, including its own, can be countered with just two skills within its own skill line. Which two you use depends on the situation.

And if worse comes to worse the NB can reset the fight just as well as a sorc can, or even use an "escape" to fake you out and come back with an extremely nasty potion boosted 2k crit.

So as far as NB goes, for once I have to agree, it really is a L2P issue. Id suggest playing every class and learning what they individual skills actually do, learn their limits, learn their rotations, and then use that information to craft your counter. A nightblade is a thinkers class, not a spammers class. You will never be good at NB if you just pop out and spam crap.

I dont consider myself some kind of pro player. I really dont, but here is something to think about. My NB has only died in a solo gank situation when I (me, and only me) completely screwed up and either had the wrong skillset slotted for a target, or scouted them wrong. I either get my kill or I gtfo.

Every other time it was multiple on 1. A NB should never die 1v1.

That being said, its entirely possible for you to just meet a better player. Can happen, does happen. Ive been lucky that if its just one guy ive always been able to get away.

Actually the most dangerous 1v1 class in the game is a Templar with a Blazing Shield build. However...that build doesn't have an escape like a NB, which makes the NB better in my opinion.

ThyIronFist wrote: »

Know why we won? It is because of guilds like The Renegades, Ruthless, Radioaktiv, and some others. You contributed *** all to the actual battles and fights. If it wasn't for guilds like these, you would have lost so hard. And you know it.

We won because:


1. I formed a community starting day one recruited the aformented guilds to it.
2. For first month I lead the server in its entirety whereas no others, even "guilds", would (most were busy level grinding or forming)
3. I ensured complete domination in points in first month in order to ensure this success
4. For rest of time esp late May and June I lead the night defense forces vs DC nightcappers (with moderate success) that maintained our lead/momentum long after the "elite" guilds went to bed. You can win all you want in primetime... but math says that the supermajorty of points to be won is on offpeak times.


In short, if I had not played ESO: Dawnbreaker would never be a save place (last campaign) for EP as it was, we would have never had gotten anywhere, we would have 0 chance vs DC nightcapping (esp vs USA guild imports), and we would have lost by large margin.

Last time I checked as well:

1. Renegades took a month off to go emperor farm in Celarus
2. Ruthless effectively disbanded their PvP (only a few left months 2,3)
3. Radioativ, after good showing in May, left server en mass in June apparently due to break by Guild leader

Thus saying "these guilds did all the work all 3 months whereas I did nothing" is simply factually inaccurate. What I stated above could be considered "big talk" of course to someone reading this without being able to observe it firsthand... nonetheless if you think I was AFK the entire time you Sir need eyeglasses alas...

TheGrandAlliance wrote: »

1. I formed
2. I lead
3. I ensured
4. I lead

A lot of 'I' there, here I was thinking campaigns were a team based activity.