When will they nerf DK again for PVP?

david.haypreub18_ESO · June 2014

Does purge remove Talons?

Halrloprillalar · June 2014

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Does purge remove Talons?

yes, and banner shackle

david.haypreub18_ESO · June 2014

Thanks! Will definitely try that!

jelliedsoup · June 2014

They nerfed them?

NerfEverything · June 2014

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

But isn't that kind of the problem? Think of all the things you can't do when fighting a DK:

--Don't stand near his standard.
--Don't get hit by his Talons
--Don't cast a spell projectile at him
--Don't use ultimates on him
--Don't melee attack him

There are just so many things you can't do, it locks you into doing very little. The DK just has so many good options, especially compared to NBs and Templars.

Nailed it.

joshisanonymous · June 2014

It's sort of a weird combination because it's sorta worse 1vX than 1v1. It also has a very nice advantage in that it essentially forces people to melee him, which allows him to still take advantage of his banner and strong melee range abilities. You're kinda stuck using bow, lightning/resto staff basic attacks, or ranged ultimates, if you have them up.

It just gets much worse 1vX because he ends up having a huge amount of magicka regen due to disorganized people attacking him. You may know to wait for his reflect to drop, but if no one around you knows that, then he can just keep going until they're all dead.

It seems like more of a problem with that set bonus than with the reflect spell, though. He's able to win because his magicka is constantly going up. He gets to 30% occasionally but it usually jumps almost instantly back up to 60%+.

My biggest gripe is that the guy seems so immature. He came up with a really good build, but he's such a bro (it's the same in his other videos, I saw the first couple that he put out a good bit ago). I can only hope that he's like 18 years old or something.

tordr86b16_ESO · June 2014

ban idiots from the game, problem solved.

Brandoid · June 2014

Once they fix this like they fixed the siphon+dragon blood bug all will be well.

Amanoma · June 2014

As far as I know, every class has a viable option to go melee. It's just that, no one wants to.

Everyone keeps complaining about the DK banner + talon combo. Whereas you can simply dodge-roll out of it and you're already in the clear. Even at range pvp, the DK spamming the reflect wouldn't be able to do that much damage with his staff heavy attacks anyway. If you notice, it's the reflect projectiles that do much of the damage to the idiots attacking the DK. Which they clearly don't notice because almost everyone in this game only knows one way of doing pvp. And that is to throw every dps skill they have as soon as they see an enemy. It is a matter of learning how to play against certain classes. The DK is clearly a utility-based class and if someone has half a brain, he would use these skills to his advantage.

I mean, if you think about it, really, do you honestly think the DK's enemies in the video are even thinking as hard as the DK does? Did they even have a strategy as a group? The way I see it, that group was just a classic zerg group to me. All brawns, no brains.

In the end, it's just an issue of who knows how to play and who doesn't.

ItsRejectz · June 2014

As a sorcerer there's nothing worse than seeing my shard coming back at me. But you can always block or dodge the returned projectiles. Even though it's got me quite a lot, I really wouldn't like to see this get nerfed. As it would have a massive impact on PvE! All these nerfs catering for PvP, have they forgot there's a whole other side to the game called PvE that these nerfs have a dramatic impact on

Sypher · June 2014

Hey! That's me!

Guys, listen. These guys in the video were NOT good at all. No team work, no healing, standing in my standard and such. They even kept hitting me after the reflective scales went up.

I'm pretty decent at pvp (not trying to sound conceited here, but I'm trying to prove a point) if you throw 6 guys at me who have no idea what they're doing, of course they will die!

They thought it was going to be a steam roll, so they were being careless, thinking I would die within the first 10 seconds. After they realized I wasn't dying and it was them who died, it was too late.

ALSO all this crying about the syrabane set? I'm not even wearing the Syrabane set. I'm just wearing Warlock and Lamae..

Not every DK can do this, only those who are actually skilled and have optimized builds.

I'm in a dueling guild and I can't take on 2 experienced duelers at once, it just won't happen because they are smart and play accordingly. These guys were brain dead and were simply mashing their buttons.

~Sypher

Sypher · June 2014

joshisanonymous wrote: »

It seems like more of a problem with that set bonus than with the reflect spell, though. He's able to win because his magicka is constantly going up. He gets to 30% occasionally but it usually jumps almost instantly back up to 60%+.

My biggest gripe is that the guy seems so immature. He came up with a really good build, but he's such a bro (it's the same in his other videos, I saw the first couple that he put out a good bit ago). I can only hope that he's like 18 years old or something.

I'm using Warlock Not Syrabane. Also, I'm not "immature" yes I am 18, but I honestly was surprised about the outcome of the fight (Over reacted, but oh well)

Also, the title (is a little misleading, I know) I did take on 1v6 in the beggining, then followed it by repetitive 1v1,2v1,1v1,1v1.

Like I said before. They were simply being brain dead and thought I was going to die easily.

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

Guy shouldnt have put the vid up. Shows he has no skill, or tactical sense. Each fight its just mash the I win buttons.

... Really? Meh.

SilverWF · June 2014

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Hey! That's me!

Guys, listen. These guys in the video were NOT good at all. No team work, no healing, standing in my standard and such. They even kept hitting me after the reflective scales went up.

I'm pretty decent at pvp (not trying to sound conceited here, but I'm trying to prove a point) if you throw 6 guys at me who have no idea what they're doing, of course they will die!

They thought it was going to be a steam roll, so they were being careless, thinking I would die within the first 10 seconds. After they realized I wasn't dying and it was them who died, it was too late.

ALSO all this crying about the syrabane set? I'm not even wearing the Syrabane set. I'm just wearing Warlock and Lamae..

Not every DK can do this, only those who are actually skilled and have optimized builds.

I'm in a dueling guild and I can't take on 2 experienced duelers at once, it just won't happen because they are smart and play accordingly. These guys were brain dead and were simply mashing their buttons.

~Sypher

Even if I agreed with you here... Reflective Scale must be nerfed hardly!

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · June 2014

Liquid_Time wrote: »

Seems fine to me. It was pretty obvious they were not working as a team.. If they were... wow.

I am really sorry, but if any class is able to sustain / reflect / absorb / outheal attacks from SIX players then there is something very wrong.

6 ppl must kill you even with normal attacks. But whatever... I see that ESO pvp does not want to be even close to tes game, so there is no reason to be mad anymore about things which will never change.

Sypher · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Hey! That's me!

Guys, listen. These guys in the video were NOT good at all. No team work, no healing, standing in my standard and such. They even kept hitting me after the reflective scales went up.

I'm pretty decent at pvp (not trying to sound conceited here, but I'm trying to prove a point) if you throw 6 guys at me who have no idea what they're doing, of course they will die!

They thought it was going to be a steam roll, so they were being careless, thinking I would die within the first 10 seconds. After they realized I wasn't dying and it was them who died, it was too late.

ALSO all this crying about the syrabane set? I'm not even wearing the Syrabane set. I'm just wearing Warlock and Lamae..

Not every DK can do this, only those who are actually skilled and have optimized builds.

I'm in a dueling guild and I can't take on 2 experienced duelers at once, it just won't happen because they are smart and play accordingly. These guys were brain dead and were simply mashing their buttons.

~Sypher

Even if I agreed with you here... Reflective Scale must be nerfed hardly!

Maybe reduce the time from 4 seconds to 2? So it would be a very skill shot focused ability and not all DK's will be running around with it.

I wouldn't mind. AT the same time I do feel like it seems OP at times because people are careless and aren't aware of their surroundings. (Huge ass wings coming out of my back = don't shoot)

Sypher · June 2014

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Liquid_Time wrote: »

Seems fine to me. It was pretty obvious they were not working as a team.. If they were... wow.

I am really sorry, but if any class is able to sustain / reflect / absorb / outheal attacks from SIX players then there is something very wrong.

6 ppl must kill you even with normal attacks. But whatever... I see that ESO pvp does not want to be even close to tes game, so there is no reason to be mad anymore about things which will never change.

Of those 6 players, one or 2 were under level 50. THREE of them stood in my standard until they died. and one was standing in the background doing light attacks with resto... if you put 6 inexperienced players against 1 skilled player don't be surprised if that 1 can defeat them.

This rarely happens, which is why I over reacted. They simply, sucked at pvp.

Gilvoth · June 2014

When will they nerf DK again for PVP?
hope fully soon! last night i watched a dragonight stand in front of the quest person and boastingly stay there for about an hour as he killed any one who came near him. complete over powered. he at one time was taking on 4 of us and we could not kill him. it wasnt because we cant play our class it was simply because he kept on healing almost immediate from 30% health to full! he repeated this over and over.

the same thing happened earlier today when we were at a DC farm that we were taking (or should i say trying to take) a dragonight again was there in the middle of the flag with the NPC gurds around him and just like the other dragonight it was almost imposible to do any real damage to him, and even when we did get in some very serious damage to him when he got to around 30% left of health just like the last one he insta-healed back again to 100% health with this type of thrust thing as if god like in abitility.

who cares, right?

SilverWF · June 2014

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe reduce the time from 4 seconds to 2? So it would be a very skill shot focused ability and not all DK's will be running around with it.

Mate, I'm joking

2 seconds is just crazy and pointless and dosn't worth of magicka spent for this
Reflective scales is OK and all they are really need to do- add more clarification what spell is projectile and what is not. Because is really hard to understand for me - how that damned Force Shock can be projectile? (Yeah, it's reflected back too)

ItsRejectz · June 2014

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Hey! That's me!

Guys, listen. These guys in the video were NOT good at all. No team work, no healing, standing in my standard and such. They even kept hitting me after the reflective scales went up.

I'm pretty decent at pvp (not trying to sound conceited here, but I'm trying to prove a point) if you throw 6 guys at me who have no idea what they're doing, of course they will die!

They thought it was going to be a steam roll, so they were being careless, thinking I would die within the first 10 seconds. After they realized I wasn't dying and it was them who died, it was too late.

ALSO all this crying about the syrabane set? I'm not even wearing the Syrabane set. I'm just wearing Warlock and Lamae..

Not every DK can do this, only those who are actually skilled and have optimized builds.

I'm in a dueling guild and I can't take on 2 experienced duelers at once, it just won't happen because they are smart and play accordingly. These guys were brain dead and were simply mashing their buttons.

~Sypher

Even if I agreed with you here... Reflective Scale must be nerfed hardly!

Maybe reduce the time from 4 seconds to 2? So it would be a very skill shot focused ability and not all DK's will be running around with it.

I wouldn't mind. AT the same time I do feel like it seems OP at times because people are careless and aren't aware of their surroundings. (Huge ass wings coming out of my back = don't shoot)

The thing is though, abilities shouldn't be nerfed to suit players who prefer to just stand there and spam abilities with no skill. Yes reflective is very powerful, but only idiots would continue to spam abilities at you knowing it is up.
I watched one of your videos and a guy actually kept on throwing spells at you, until he killed himself without you needing to attack once! That's not op, that's pure stupidity on his behalf. I personally feel that majority who cry about this are them players who like to spam abilities and don't know what the dodge and block buttons are.

Talketzanto · June 2014

But hay guys! NB's can hide as long as they don't have a dot on them...seems fair

Gilvoth · June 2014

Talketzanto wrote: »

But hay guys! NB's can hide as long as they don't have a dot on them...seems fair

oh really now,
every time i go with a group of alot of people and im talkin like 30 people or more ..
we go to a keep to attack it and all you see is the dragonights sorcerers and templars all up in that fight and all up in thier face at the castle while all the rest of us nighblades are cowering way behind with bows and syphen and throwing daggers like were just weaklings and basicly garbage to help the fight hardly any at all.
it more then embarrasing, it's downright insulting and degrading. we cant compete with you guys, we just dont have the build to withstand the other classes damage output, nor can we do any real and true significant damage unless we are in stealth and catch you in unawares from behind. which i know for a fact aint gona happen in castle runs and stuff like that where everyone is running around and can see us instantly and warn all others.

sometimes we do catch you and get a small chance to stunn you and damn near kill you but its game over when you turn around and take us out almost instantly by your guys high damage, knockdowns, and insta-healing.

oh but that means were complaining and whine-ing and we are just not able to learn how to play, and we suk, and we are stupid. right?

Gilvoth · June 2014

i tell you what, next time you go to a castle fight look at the ground and see how many nightblades you see dead and waiting for a rez. i bet youll see 10 nightblades dead before you see even 1 of the other classes.

Gilvoth · June 2014

that invis didnt do much good now did it?

SilverWF · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

how many nightblades you see dead

BugCollector · June 2014

I wonder if a reflect spell works against soulstrike...

SilverWF · June 2014

BugCollector wrote: »

I wonder if a reflect spell works against soulstrike...

Must not, coz it's channeling, not projectile. But since Zenimax deals with it...

Sypher · June 2014

BugCollector wrote: »

I wonder if a reflect spell works against soulstrike...

Nope.

RedMiniStapler · June 2014

So... We can expect some heavy nerf to DK, and some ability change so that we can one shot DK in pvp?

Amanoma · June 2014

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

6 ppl must kill you even with normal attacks. But whatever... I see that ESO pvp does not want to be even close to tes game, so there is no reason to be mad anymore about things which will never change.

Dumbest comment ever. Regardless of whether the class is OP or not, in PvP, you must always factor in actual player skills over his opponents. Numbers won't matter if it's a bunch of idiots playing against someone who actually knows what he's doing.

Nerfing the class to the ground is not the solution to this problem. It's all a matter of knowing how to deal with the class. As Sypher says, not all DK's can do this as not all DK's knows what they're doing. I have seen a lot of DK's get face-rolled countless times just because his opponent knew exactly what to do.

As I've said earlier: "PvP is not just a dps race. You actually have to use your brains to be able to win."

You are playing against another person who might actually be thinking harder than you to be able to win.

I won't be surprised if most of you only have dps skills in your 2 hotbars and not even 1 utility/heal skill. lol

SRIBES · June 2014

When will they nerf nightblades, sorcs and templars? I run with a similar spec as sypher (the video poster and he didn't give you permission to post this as far as I am aware)
Nightblades shades would have torn through his stamina right there that he uses to hold block and mitigate abilities. He wasn't using the sybrane set in the video either. Nightblades ultimate veil of blades+harness magika makes you take 0 spell damage and 60% less melee damage while the shield holds. Also there is a bug where whatever spell the dk reflects (whether it be a bow attack or crystal fragments) it costs them the same amount as magika that it did the caster. Ex if a sorcs frags cost 300 (150 on proc) it costs the dragonknight 300 magika. Same goes for bow abiltes/flying blade but it drains stamina. And it's easy to see those big ass wings flop in the middle of a fight also. I've worked with sypher on some theorycrafting over at tamriel foundry forums and if you watch his streams or even run with a similar build you will have a hard time with templars, it will be a long fight but they will out heal dragonknight damage since we have no true burst other then whip. Sorcerers curse has hit me up to 900 and i've also been streaked through without my dragon fire scale up then they hit me with fragments. There are plenty of ways to counter it. Green dragon blood is 33% missing health, smart dks use it when they get low health which can be countered by adding a execute on your hotbar, if used when at above 25% health it's a magika waste. Don't understand why you *** about battle roar since it's only on ults. DK ultimates have already been nerfed and you have to be a dumb ass to sit around in standard.. Magma armor is destroyed through DoTs and only lasts 10 seconds. If you are having a hard time in PvP I reccomend you hit level cap if you havent, get better gear, make sure your build is viable, have food buffs up and a pot ready to chug at your disposal. If you aren't skilled enough join a dueling guild and practice. The only thing weak in PvP is stamina builds but that's another topic. Any class can be OP with the right build and people will die to a player more skilled or with a better build then them and come bitching on the forums about it. God I swear people cry to zos about anything that kills them..