silver bolts .. one shot frenzy

hamon · June 2014

Raash wrote: »

Have you played this game in the last 6 weeks? It sounds like you, and many others here, are caught in the past.

I am levelling vampire atm for fun. I refused to become vamp when it was OP. That was fixed ages ago. I didn't pay for it either. I can tell you that the inherent weakness to fire is a real killer on it's own and is probably too much for me to not cure the Vampire line when I've finished levelling it.

This bug just breaks the game for me completely. I'm not finished levelling the vamp line yet and would rather not have to cure myself ahead of time. I want to face that decision when I am level 10 (currently 9). If you're jealous that you couldn't become vamp I will bite you for free. No one should pay for a bite. That's absurd.

Ok, sounds fun for you, or not so fun now then perhaps. I however refuse to go vampire at all no matter how good, bad or weak it would get. The simple truth is that I dont like vampires, At all. They are undead and should be burned in flames. I detest the whole view of the vampire this game have that they are your everyday pal and hero. It should be the total other way around. You that have choosen to take the dark ways of vampires or werewolves should all be hunted down. And im glad we now have the tools to do so. period. I just wish there was a way to spot them in your own alliance and take them out there too.

well i hate dk's and ive seen them hold off whole raids .. can we be allowed to one shot them please?

isnt that your arguement? you hate vamps so its cool to be allowed to one shot them..

its sad and childish when your attitude is cos you dont like something they should have their game broken.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · June 2014

I have never played vamp and never will. Can someone tell me what downsides they have? I know they take more flame damage. (that's cool - none of my skills is flame, so I have no strong side against them? BTW I don't even have silver bolt)

I have crafter healer character with some mixture of skillpoints in all armors and bow and sword and shield. Only skill from fighters guild I have is intimidate.

Bhakura · June 2014

Never knew dracula was such a crybaby.
But then again, he started glittering and stuff ...
Bram Stoker is turning over in his grave. No pun intended.

Mountain_Dewed · June 2014

At least let me explore this realm I am being banished to...

Raash · June 2014

hamon wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Have you played this game in the last 6 weeks? It sounds like you, and many others here, are caught in the past.

I am levelling vampire atm for fun. I refused to become vamp when it was OP. That was fixed ages ago. I didn't pay for it either. I can tell you that the inherent weakness to fire is a real killer on it's own and is probably too much for me to not cure the Vampire line when I've finished levelling it.

This bug just breaks the game for me completely. I'm not finished levelling the vamp line yet and would rather not have to cure myself ahead of time. I want to face that decision when I am level 10 (currently 9). If you're jealous that you couldn't become vamp I will bite you for free. No one should pay for a bite. That's absurd.

Ok, sounds fun for you, or not so fun now then perhaps. I however refuse to go vampire at all no matter how good, bad or weak it would get. The simple truth is that I dont like vampires, At all. They are undead and should be burned in flames. I detest the whole view of the vampire this game have that they are your everyday pal and hero. It should be the total other way around. You that have choosen to take the dark ways of vampires or werewolves should all be hunted down. And im glad we now have the tools to do so. period. I just wish there was a way to spot them in your own alliance and take them out there too.

well i hate dk's and ive seen them hold off whole raids .. can we be allowed to one shot them please?

isnt that your arguement? you hate vamps so its cool to be allowed to one shot them..

its sad and childish when your attitude is cos you dont like something they should have their game broken.

For starters vampires are not a class its a skill line wich, in my opinion, have far to big impact on the game really. Secondly ESO vampires kind of contradict the very definition of the creature wich is associated with the lore of the franchise. Here they flood in broad daylight as heroes and champions while in earlier games they hid in caves since they are literally dead deseased people.

Childish? Thank you

I take that as a compliment. Forever young!

Spiritreaver_ESO · June 2014

Raash wrote: »

Zxaxz wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

I believe the vampired have had their fun for a really long time and now things have changed. It might have been an unintentional change, but I like it and I hope it stays. If anything I would like to see a buff for vampires during night but keep rest as it is. That just my opinion.

Sweet, so at Night all the Vampires can one shot everyone else using a 321 Stam skill, after all it is night and WTF are you doing outside at night, Right? And, we want it to be fair and the same resource drain of course.

Wait!!! Edited; We have to fight WW's at normal Vamp status during the night, they are also night creatures. And they should be able to rip your fracking head off or reach in, pull out your heart and eat it in one Bite at night, also.

Sound fair to me. Patch it in.. Deal.

I wouldnt mind avoid running around night in fear for vampires really. Would just add to the excitement I think. And i dont know about one-shots, but ive seen a few vampires hold off and defeated whole raids/zergs wich I personally think is a bit out of line. ok if it could happen during night time, but not during day time.
If you ask me, it should also be impossible for a vampire to become emperor etc. Thats kind of lore beaking and not very logical. To me its like having a deadra or perhaps even a skeever on the throne.

Just throwing it out there since you bring up lore, The Wolf Queen was just a hair's breath from being Empress. True she was a necromancer and not a vampire, but it wanna say she well otw to becoming a lich-and again she almost made it to the top.

So really not that far out of the range of plausibility lore-wise.

viggys · June 2014

Just cure it till they fix it. I had to.

Morbus2 · June 2014

FFS silverbolts is being exploited and everyone knows that. This bug needs to be fixed asap!

Gaëloup · June 2014

no need to answer these bad trollers.
It's being fixed. Let's just hope it will be done quickly.

The_Sadist · June 2014

Obvious bug is obvious and the people who want it to stay are amusing at best. More over, the individuals who are saying vampirism is lore breaking really needs to sit down and play through a few Elder Scrolls games, where you can be a vampire AND a necromancer AND an all round horrible person and yet still save the universe from oblivion, because storyline! Lastly, the people mentioning Twilight really need to stop feeling so insecure about their guilty pleasures, you like Edward, that's okay, we don't understand your weird obsessions but we accept you, sort of.

There you go, I think I addressed most of the issues presented in this topic.

RedMiniStapler · June 2014

Raash wrote: »

Ok, sounds fun for you, or not so fun now then perhaps. I however refuse to go vampire at all no matter how good, bad or weak it would get. The simple truth is that I dont like vampires, At all. They are undead and should be burned in flames. I detest the whole view of the vampire this game have that they are your everyday pal and hero. It should be the total other way around. You that have choosen to take the dark ways of vampires or werewolves should all be hunted down. And im glad we now have the tools to do so. period. I just wish there was a way to spot them in your own alliance and take them out there too.

Whoa there, you need to relax, it's just a game after all. Vamps haven't been op for long time as far as I know, and also only few exceptional people who knew what they are doing could do whole lot of damage against zergs (is that the right term? I don't do pvp much, so not sure)
And besides, any fire damage would make us *** and go down like a weak donkey with heavy rice sacks, do you really need something that could one shot vampires?

Synd · June 2014

i'm enjoying the vampire tears as well

Mescalamba · June 2014

So you enjoy destruction of one part of game? Good for ya.

Otherwise reason why werewolves dont cry here much is that nobody except RP guys play them. Werewolf at current state is closer to "summon your favorite mudcrab". Its about that useful.

Im glad that you all agree, that vampires and werewolves should be removed from game. In fact why not make a poll to remove them?

Cause thats exactly what most of you are writing.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · June 2014

Just curious... Does every single player really use silver bolts in PvP?
I was never hit by single one in PvP. Sure I am not Vamp, but they are not that easy to identify unless you are close to see their face or see them casting some skills.

I just getting the feeling that Vamps must be dieing by hundreds in Cyrodiik, which honestly leads me to simple conclusion. There are too many of them!

Imho vamp should be more "life style" thing than I love it's powers in PvP.:-)

But ok, people are reporting that 5% chance is not true. So why not increase it to properly working 20% ?

metroda · June 2014

Caduryn wrote: »

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

as they should on Vampires, Undead, Daedra (skilled also in Werewolfes)

Everyone thinking that is just very very very ....*xxxx*

It is amazing to me how many people think consistently one shotting certain people in pvp is acceptable.

driosketch · June 2014

Sihnfahl wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

It's just my opinion, so of course it's biased. I'm glad that vampires are finally getting a taste of the dirt after their ultimate days

For god's SAKE. You can't use HTML tags here. BBCode!

It does that automatically on the mobile version of the forum. Switch to desktop view fixes that happening when posting.

Sihnfahl · June 2014

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Just curious... Does every single player really use silver bolts in PvP?

No, but when you have longtime PvPers who are known to be vamp squads, out come the Silvers.

metroda · June 2014

Right now the 2-4k damage proc is at about a 50-100% chance to hit. That is why, since the patch, the use of silver bolts has increased 10x. People wouldn't be complaining this much about a move that had a 1 in 20 chance to one shot them.

butterfly442 · June 2014

Zxaxz wrote: »

Iorail wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

edited

I'm glad you delete this post as it was not true and you know it. I did a little test myself and Silver bolt proc'ed 100% 25/25 times in a row on me as a vamp and 3/25 times on the other player as a WW. Control test on a dead pvp cluster.

It's broken for sure but what exactly, idk, why it's only proc'ing 100% on Vamp players and not WW players or NPC's it's the real question here.

It is because of the complete lack of testing.

There is no way anyone EVER tested this change they made, not a FRACKING chance in hell.

The first shot of Silver Shards and/or Leash by Joe_ESO, Joe_ESO would have thought, damn, 2k hit 1st shot on a 5% chance skill, "oh snap, thats hits fkn hard. Let's try that again Mike_ESO... Oh shiat, Mike_ESO, two back to back hits on a 5% try, one more time...... wholly shiat, 3 in a row. Maybe we have a problem here.", "Here you try it Mike_ESO, Shoot me with Shard/Leash..... *** every time?@?#$%... We should tell someone."

Nope never happened, they do not test hardly anything, if at all; This is just proof positive.

No testing mean they have no idea what the are breaking when they try to fix things.
It's just rush shiat out as fast as possible that's whats needed here, don't debug it, don't fix the already broken stuff.

Oh, but add white trash items to clog up the already overly fracked up bag / inventory system, that will slow them down and maybe they wont notice the rest of the issues?????

I mean the fix list is longer that the patch notes, (Not including quest fixes) but actual game fixes.

They test what they think they are fixing. Not what they don't know they broke.

Sihnfahl · June 2014

butterfly442 wrote: »

They test what they think they are fixing.

Er, no. If they tested what they thought they were fixing, the SS 100% proc shouldn't have gone live. If they DID test it, and it still went live, then that's a bad sign.

Don't forget the other things they thought they were fixing or enhancing, but ended up breaking...

ZOS_AmeliaR · June 2014

Greetings, all. As a couple others have mentioned in this thread, we are indeed investigating this issue and working to resolve it quickly. We are tracking our progress on the issue in the Patch v1.2.3 Known Issues thread, so we encourage you to keep an eye on that for the latest updates regarding this and other known issues.

Obus · June 2014

Sadest part is the ppl that even using Silver Bolts vs vampires can't even kill them.

I love to kill a Silver Bolt bug exploiter as a vamp tho

. Anyway, let that ppl kill something meanwhile. They know after the fix they won't kill anyone

Jamesd1350 · June 2014

ITT: "Fix diz skill guise its makyn mi suk at pvp"
"No dunt fix diz skil guise itz the only way i can wyn"
"ur gay"

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · June 2014

Sihnfahl wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Just curious... Does every single player really use silver bolts in PvP?

No, but when you have longtime PvPers who are known to be vamp squads, out come the Silvers.

Damn, I am so sad I did not vitness this. It must have been hillarious to see full vamp squad to turn to ash in few seconds :-D.

Ok since there is truly a lot of posts that trigger rate is insanly higher than 5% I do apologize, but still I like that this skill has possibility to kill Vampire fast. They should fix % and I would vote to have it at least on 20%.

Sihnfahl · June 2014

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Damn, I am so sad I did not vitness this. It must have been hillarious to see full vamp squad to turn to ash in few seconds :-D

It's almost as amusing as a rainbow train getting slapped down by a competent group who knows how to counter it...

butterfly442 · June 2014

Sihnfahl wrote: »

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

Damn, I am so sad I did not vitness this. It must have been hillarious to see full vamp squad to turn to ash in few seconds :-D

It's almost as amusing as a rainbow train getting slapped down by a competent group who knows how to counter it...

Rainbow train?

WTF is a rainbow train?

Sihnfahl · June 2014

butterfly442 wrote: »

WTF is a rainbow train?

One of the bugs of the Pulsar morph was that the 10% max health debuff stacked if they were applied by a different elemental staff.

So a rainbow train was a group of folks with mixed fire, frost and lightning staves. You ended up with 30% max health reduction on anyone caught in the path of the train.

butterfly442 · June 2014

Sihnfahl wrote: »

butterfly442 wrote: »

WTF is a rainbow train?

One of the bugs of the Pulsar morph was that the 10% max health debuff stacked if they were applied by a different elemental staff.

So a rainbow train was a group of folks with mixed fire, frost and lightning staves. You ended up with 30% max health reduction on anyone caught in the path of the train.

Crazy.

LonePirate · June 2014

Back in April I used the /feedback option to request a boost in the damage inflicted by Fighters Guild abilities against vampires. I am glad ZOS finally implemented one of my suggestions, even if they went overboard. While 3000 damage in one shot may be a bit excessive, 800-1000 per shot with an instant knockdown along with a 5% (or even 10%) chance of an instant death seems reasonable. We are talking about silver and vampires, after all.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO · June 2014

Zerg trains in general are problem due to fact that you can run through player. You can not make a wall with tanks with shields which is a fail. It would be ultimate stopping power especialy in keep defence. :-)