silver bolts .. one shot frenzy

Spiritreaver_ESO · June 2014

hamon wrote: »

everyone knows about the 5% proc ,, but i,m saying its broken now, its nowhere near 5% its like 50& at least and if you think thats balanced your off your nut

Plan on going back and reading the rest of the thread, so please excuse this post if it is redundant.

Hamon, unless you have set up even the most basic test, you just can't just base your conclusion of a new/broken proc rate on a sampling of 2 or 3. I've personally have streaks of 3 in a row with said skill and then not had another proc for days. That's just how probability works.

Junipus · June 2014

hk11 wrote: »

I'm not sure I have ever seen so many people taking joy in the discomfort of others as I have in ESO.

I'd pay $15 a month to watch ESO forumites tear each other apart in RL. I occasionally forget that the internet is still what it is.

There is an issue with Silver bolts regardless of whether you're pro or anti vampire.

If you're pro then the skill being a guaranteed killer means there's little point in anyone being a vampire, rendering ZOS' time spent working on vampire skills completely useless.

If you're anti, then the tooltip doesn't show the correct value and should display 100% (or thereabouts) chance of critical hit, banishing to the realms of Oblivion. If ZOS meant this to be the case then they need to adjust the tooltip to reflect that, and then you can use it for a week before everyone stops being a vampire and it becomes another useless and/or noob PvP ability.

driosketch · June 2014

Okay, idea while this eventually gets fixed:

Everyone who has a vampire character meet up in one of the dead campaigns. Load up Silver Bolt, and only Silver Bolt. Set up insta-gib battle.

ThisOnePosts · June 2014

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

as they should on Vampires, Undead, Daedra (skilled also in Werewolfes)

[snip]

Also, I understand that people like you can't get kills in Cyrodiil for real so you need an instagib that is easily spammable ---- however it's not working as intended and it will be fixed so don't get too comfortable.

To those dealing with it now: Use your wits, stuns, and sneak attacks to make quick work out of people until they fix it. It's easy to deal with, however it's certainly not working as intended. I tried it myself just to see and it 1 shot someone. I sent them a mail apologizing, that I was testing it after. Because unlike noobs, I don't need to get free kills.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]

Spiritreaver_ESO · June 2014

Caught up and even read the other thread that was linked. Does seem out of balance. Saw from the other thread that its happening to more than a few players and ZOS said they were looking into it.

Condolences to those being smeared by the spammage. I'd just call it a day in relation to PvP until it is fixed if you are a vampire. Hopefully the fix won't take forever.

Prokonto · June 2014

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

to be fair, you get perks for beeing vampire why dont you accept the downs

get rid of it and you are fine

its not a class or normal skillline

werewolfes dont complain and have the same downside

you want a non common skill line to give perks without downs in pvp ?

u call obvious bugged 100% chance for being insta kill just as "downside"?
realy... it was irony, sarcasm or what?
or u count for that ppl are mostly ***?

Ifthir_ESO · June 2014

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Morbus2 · June 2014

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

So much mis-info in this thread, wow.

It is not 100% that it procs, I tested it in dual with another player. In fact, I shot him 10 times and it didn't full proc once.

Meanwhile, the sky is falling and vamp players everywhere actually have more than one negative to being a vampire now. Unsurprisingly those players are now moaning about how rough they have it. I am sure they moaned about how rough everyone else had it when vampires were extra-strong, though, right?

*wry*

All lies.

ElectricBlue97 · June 2014

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/114345/silver-shard-vampire-petition?new=1

joanjett · June 2014

Working as intended........that's what i was told by many vampire's when
they were killing 50 at a time........pay back's a *** huh?

Madval · June 2014

On the general french discussion a mod said that Zenimax know the problem and are working on it.

tordr86b16_ESO · June 2014

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

as they should on Vampires, Undead, Daedra (skilled also in Werewolfes)

I'm glad you aren't a dev since you got zero clue what game balance means.

tordr86b16_ESO · June 2014

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

to be fair, you get perks for beeing vampire why dont you accept the downs

get rid of it and you are fine

its not a class or normal skillline

werewolfes dont complain and have the same downside

you want a non common skill line to give perks without downs in pvp ?

10% more magicka and stamina regen whoop de *** doo.

broken mitigation passive

glitched health regen passive

getting 1 shot by fighter's guild abilities isn't *** balance. vamps are NOT overpowered. you know what is OP? not being a vamp or ww.

skoomatrait · June 2014

olololol cheaters start whining

GJ ZOS

Lynx7386 · June 2014

This is just payback for all the batswarm abuse vampires were pulling a few weeks ago.

Gaëloup · June 2014

Soloeus wrote: »

Gaëloup wrote: »

It has to be fixed asap, it s unplayable now. Everyone is spamming this ***** silver bolt in Cyrodiil !!!!!!

I won't remove the vampire skill, I prefer to remove the game from my HDD !

CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF PLX

Are you serious ? Do you really think the stuff has any chance to change anything in that kind of situation ?
If you really do, you need to learn more about how this game works...

But just in order you don't think I'm just trolling :
I'm full legendary medium armor, VR12, 3 pieces infused + 4 pieces impenetrable
3100 HP
2000 stamina

Iorail · June 2014

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

edited

I'm glad you delete this post as it was not true and you know it. I did a little test myself and Silver bolt proc'ed 100% 25/25 times in a row on me as a vamp and 3/25 times on the other player as a WW. Control test on a dead pvp cluster.

It's broken for sure but what exactly, idk, why it's only proc'ing 100% on Vamp players and not WW players or NPC's it's the real question here.

Zxaxz · June 2014

Iorail wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

edited

I'm glad you delete this post as it was not true and you know it. I did a little test myself and Silver bolt proc'ed 100% 25/25 times in a row on me as a vamp and 3/25 times on the other player as a WW. Control test on a dead pvp cluster.

It's broken for sure but what exactly, idk, why it's only proc'ing 100% on Vamp players and not WW players or NPC's it's the real question here.

It is because of the complete lack of testing.

There is no way anyone EVER tested this change they made, not a FRACKING chance in hell.

The first shot of Silver Shards and/or Leash by Joe_ESO, Joe_ESO would have thought, damn, 2k hit 1st shot on a 5% chance skill, "oh snap, thats hits fkn hard. Let's try that again Mike_ESO... Oh shiat, Mike_ESO, two back to back hits on a 5% try, one more time...... wholly shiat, 3 in a row. Maybe we have a problem here.", "Here you try it Mike_ESO, Shoot me with Shard/Leash..... *** every time?@?#$%... We should tell someone."

Nope never happened, they do not test hardly anything, if at all; This is just proof positive.

No testing mean they have no idea what the are breaking when they try to fix things.
It's just rush shiat out as fast as possible that's whats needed here, don't debug it, don't fix the already broken stuff.

Oh, but add white trash items to clog up the already overly fracked up bag / inventory system, that will slow them down and maybe they wont notice the rest of the issues?????

I mean the fix list is longer that the patch notes, (Not including quest fixes) but actual game fixes.

Blackhorne · June 2014

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

if 20 spam it and its 5% thats a 100% hit

Actually, if 20 spam it and it's a 5% chance then that's only a 64% chance for a critical hit.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binomial_distribution

SirAndy · June 2014

I blame it on the PTS testers ...

kijima · June 2014

I have had to chuckle to myself about all the Edward Cullen types wanting to find a cure for vampirism. Players are dropping vamp like hot potatoes at the moment, same goes for those looking for the 7 traits in Armour that are dropping light now.

Zxaxz · June 2014

Silver Bolt - SS with recount #1Back to Back Silver Shards #1
- #2
- #3
- #4

So far four times out of the keeps and 4 times, this...... ROFL - I'll keep them coming

This shows not only was no one else hitting me with SS, but that it hit back to back from the same person. 5%, yea right. I will post all SS's I get tonight. Might be a long post

Worstluck · June 2014

It's just odd that this happening. What did they change with this skill? Why weren't any changes to it documented?

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2014

Werewolves have a much worse downside than Vampires with honestly no upside. Zero, Zip, Zilch none. Werewolf's only purpose in life is to SLIGHTLY increase your ultimate earnings rate, and that is hardly worth it in light of the Poison and Fighters Guild Weaknesses. It is highly buggy, and honestly terrible in pvp. I do not recommend it. For pve or achievements though, have at it. Its cool to make the transformation when it works, although the duration is fairly horrible.

That being said Vampire skill line gives some extremely powerful boosts. If it were not for something like the Fighters Guild to hit a vampire with a ten ton hammer I don't think anyone would play anything except a Vampire. Seriously, they need a weakness. Vampires magicka use is off the charts amazing, they stealth like nobody's business, have awesome crowd control, amazing mitigation. Don't cry in your pillow because Silver Bolts hurts. I say this as a character who plays 2 vampires as well. Its simple game balance. Take the pain, or don't play the Vampire, its that simple.

Additionally, this was not a NINJA patch. They did inform us of it, and they've been talking forever about how it has not been properly hitting Vampires. Now it does, to which I say wonderful. Again, I play 2 vampires so don't cry foul here.

Sturmwaffel · June 2014

/radiovoice

In the left corner of the ring, we have two vampires and a werewolf. They think this bug is imbalanced! Why should there be a skill that 100% kills them every time?! They can't PVP any more!

In the right corner of the ring, we have 10 other people. They think vampires have been way too OP since the beginning and this is their chance for revenge! Who cares if it's a game breaking bug?! It gives them advantage!
(Also notice there is no contempt to werewolves because they've always sucked anyway. Come on, we all know. But hey, it's still an easy kill.)

Yeesh.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting Comments

Worstluck · June 2014

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Additionally, this was not a NINJA patch. They did inform us of it, and they've been talking forever about how it has not been properly hitting Vampires. Now it does, to which I say wonderful. Again, I play 2 vampires so don't cry foul here.

EDIT: nevermind! Thanks @Sihnfahl totally missed that in the patch notes.

Mortosk · June 2014

hamon wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

no i dont think any skill should one shot anyone its just stupid.. especially a spammable low cost ranged instant cast...

especially when not even mentioned in the patch notes

This isn't the only skill that 1 shots vampires. Fire is pretty effective also.

ive been a vamp for months and realised early i had to have a gold fire resist ring to compensate.. ive never been one shot by anything that wouldnt do the same to a non vamp..

anyway bolts is clearly broken . the folk dumping hate on vamps is a sign of immaturity due to perhaps being butthurt still when vamps were OP.

Even as a vamp i knew batswarm was broekn and had no problem with them fixing it.. but vamps were nerfed hard and are nothing OP now. i just keep it for the dark stalker passive , nothing more.

If only I wasn't a templar with no magicka regen and forced to use V1 warlock jewelry I would do that too. Can't wait till I get the V12 version.

Sihnfahl · June 2014

Worstluck wrote: »

It's just odd that this happening. What did they change with this skill? Why weren't any changes to it documented?

Patch note:
•General: All additional effects for Fighters Guild abilities now work against vampire player characters.

It appears there may be a calculation error with SS's damage modifiers as a result of this change.

Couldn't be tested by us on the PTS since AvA is disabled there.

Valn · June 2014

A lot of vampires seem very upset they are getting owned for once. I guess they miss their ultimate spamming ability days. But hey if you're a vampire, expect to be hunted. For some it's a gift, for others it's a curse. Vampires have abilities that only vampires can have.I do hope they keep this % proc, or maybe reduce it to 50%. It's definitely going to give stamina builds a boost in PVP, something that they urgently need.

Zxaxz · June 2014

Sihnfahl wrote: »

Worstluck wrote: »

It's just odd that this happening. What did they change with this skill? Why weren't any changes to it documented?

Patch note:
•General: All additional effects for Fighters Guild abilities now work against vampire player characters.

It appears there may be a calculation error with SS's damage modifiers as a result of this change.

Couldn't be tested by us on the PTS since AvA is disabled there.

Yea, ROFL.

We have a PTS server to test, only PvE.

Unbelievable, what a great testing dept. there ESO, just great. How do you test PvP content then? What is your process for testing?

Do you even test PvP content, or do you just write the code and then Beta the PvP changes on the live client?