Mykah wrote: »

No class should have 3 hot bars.

It was designed and balanced around 3 hotbars...

Just like rogues had stealth in WoW, or warlocks had summons and life tap and soul siphon... and mage had evocation... and like necromancers have death shroud in Guild Wars 2.

Mykah wrote: »

No class should have 3 hot bars.

3rd bar for Sorcs and Werewolves intended by ZO - read the patch-notes!

dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »

rofl the sorceress get buffs and pet overhaul but QQ because they want a 3rd permament hotbar

Did you seen any Sorcs with pets in the PVP before (over noobs, sure)?

Ragekniv wrote: »

I'm curious about the 3rd hot bar. What is the justification for Sorcs being given a third hot bar?

Well i'm curious about Night Blade stealth... what's the justification for one class to get the stealth

It didn't ruin anything. I love the better Light attacks.
Overload is a unique ultimate as you can use it at any time (provided you have the "base" amount of Ult to toggle it), toggle it on and off, and it wont use Ultimate until you Light or Heavy attack. I don't know of any other class ULT that allows you to use it at your leisure, most are All or None when it comes to ultimate points.
So you get less up time on... an Ultimate. These are NOT supposed to be permanent options. The change to cost may have been a way to nudge down the uptime of this ultimate. I agree with this, I used to run dungeons and last full bossfights in Ultimate, with some to spare. thats a little OP, ya?
3rd action bar is pretty much what makes this ultimate really cool. As others have pointed out, Werewolves have an additional bar inside Werewolf form. Sorcs have a bar in Overload form. No other class (unless they are a werewolve, which means the option IS OPEN to EVERYONE) has this ability, and i think we should have something unique about us. Having another bar PERIOD in this game is a huge advantage, be happy they didn't take this away from us.
My Orc 2handed Lightning Sorc (similar to the recent battlemaster build posting, i swear i was doing it first!!!) is just as powerful, if not a little more so, from the recent changes.

Orc Da Sorc

PS: My NB is VR2 and kinda retired at this point. Partly because i had intended a different playstyle that didn't hold up in Vr, and partly because i think i just chose the wrong class for myself. We all adjust. Get over it.

balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »

Ragekniv wrote: »

I'm curious about the 3rd hot bar. What is the justification for Sorcs being given a third hot bar?

Well i'm curious about Night Blade stealth... what's the justification for one class to get the stealth

What the hell does the basic stealth mechanic have to do with a third hotbar? Your rhetorical question really backfired there.

dafraorb16_ESO wrote: »

all classes have the stealth genius

Omg... so if a world boss aggros me and i press sneak i escape just like a nightblade would with shadow cloak ?

While i do agree i didn't pick the best example, but i thought people were smart enough to see pass that...
Every class has some mechanics characteristic only for that class... it's what makes them special... you know...

Paladins had "the bubble", rogues had "the vanish macro"... and so on...

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

It didn't ruin anything. I love the better Light attacks.
Overload is a unique ultimate as you can use it at any time (provided you have the "base" amount of Ult to toggle it), toggle it on and off, and it wont use Ultimate until you Light or Heavy attack. I don't know of any other class ULT that allows you to use it at your leisure, most are All or None when it comes to ultimate points.
So you get less up time on... an Ultimate. These are NOT supposed to be permanent options. The change to cost may have been a way to nudge down the uptime of this ultimate. I agree with this, I used to run dungeons and last full bossfights in Ultimate, with some to spare. thats a little OP, ya?
3rd action bar is pretty much what makes this ultimate really cool. As others have pointed out, Werewolves have an additional bar inside Werewolf form. Sorcs have a bar in Overload form. No other class (unless they are a werewolve, which means the option IS OPEN to EVERYONE) has this ability, and i think we should have something unique about us. Having another bar PERIOD in this game is a huge advantage, be happy they didn't take this away from us.
My Orc 2handed Lightning Sorc (similar to the recent battlemaster build posting, i swear i was doing it first!!!) is just as powerful, if not a little more so, from the recent changes.

Orc Da Sorc

PS: My NB is VR2 and kinda retired at this point. Partly because i had intended a different playstyle that didn't hold up in Vr, and partly because i think i just chose the wrong class for myself. We all adjust. Get over it.

You do realize that by using the light attacks you do less DPS then you would do with spells or abilities... right ? Every time you do it... you slow yourself down... and the team, if you are in one... Luckily... with the new 22 ultimate cost / hit, you won't do it for long

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

LOL, Im going to enjoy watching other classes get it as bad as DKs have got it.

So you want all of us to have a cheap ability like Burning Talons and Extended Leash that can be repeated at a low cost without failure and keep people perma-stunned?

Clutch wrote: »

balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »

Ragekniv wrote: »

I'm curious about the 3rd hot bar. What is the justification for Sorcs being given a third hot bar?

Well i'm curious about Night Blade stealth... what's the justification for one class to get the stealth

What the hell does the basic stealth mechanic have to do with a third hotbar? Your rhetorical question really backfired there.

Guess it did... didn't pick the best example, but you get the idea right ?...
The sorcerer was designed and balanced to work with 3 hotbars... breaking 1 makes the class unbalanced.
If we didn't have access to 3 hotbars from the start... maybe we would have had more survivability, maybe we would have had more damage... maybe could have walked on clouds... i don't know...

The issue still remains...

God this is like Guild Wars 2 all over again... only sooner...

sorcs (i am a sorc) had a playstyle ?

according to forum we are just crystal shard spamming, bolt escaping, magelight, bound armor, critical surge (thats the 5 skills they see)

.. thats 150 dps, that they dont see

balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

It didn't ruin anything. I love the better Light attacks.
Overload is a unique ultimate as you can use it at any time (provided you have the "base" amount of Ult to toggle it), toggle it on and off, and it wont use Ultimate until you Light or Heavy attack. I don't know of any other class ULT that allows you to use it at your leisure, most are All or None when it comes to ultimate points.
So you get less up time on... an Ultimate. These are NOT supposed to be permanent options. The change to cost may have been a way to nudge down the uptime of this ultimate. I agree with this, I used to run dungeons and last full bossfights in Ultimate, with some to spare. thats a little OP, ya?
3rd action bar is pretty much what makes this ultimate really cool. As others have pointed out, Werewolves have an additional bar inside Werewolf form. Sorcs have a bar in Overload form. No other class (unless they are a werewolve, which means the option IS OPEN to EVERYONE) has this ability, and i think we should have something unique about us. Having another bar PERIOD in this game is a huge advantage, be happy they didn't take this away from us.
My Orc 2handed Lightning Sorc (similar to the recent battlemaster build posting, i swear i was doing it first!!!) is just as powerful, if not a little more so, from the recent changes.

Orc Da Sorc

PS: My NB is VR2 and kinda retired at this point. Partly because i had intended a different playstyle that didn't hold up in Vr, and partly because i think i just chose the wrong class for myself. We all adjust. Get over it.

You do realize that by using the light attacks you do less DPS then you would do with spells or abilities... right ? Every time you do it... you slow yourself down... and the team, if you are in one... Luckily... with the new 22 ultimate cost / hit, you won't do it for long

Alright, but with the Magika Morph, this Ultimate is used as a damage ability that also recovers Magika. So there would need to be a drawback to it. I use a lot of abilities on my overload bar, not just the light and heavy attacks. I'd say still having that option during Overload is fine. Maybe i'm just not a number cruncher and i don't mind the change so much. I see the drawback, but im still getting Magika returned and doing damage, rather than sitting around waiting for stuff to regen.
I understand your frustration, your specific build relied on basically 100% up on ultimate, with no drawbacks to your DPS for permanent resource upkeep.
The other class with a toggle resource regen, Nightblades with Siphoning Strikes, (they can keep it up 100%) also comes with a overall damage reduction of 1/4 of your DPS. And it just took a 1% resource nerf down to 3% Magika/3% Sta on light/heavy attack.

balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »

Clutch wrote: »

balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »

Ragekniv wrote: »

I'm curious about the 3rd hot bar. What is the justification for Sorcs being given a third hot bar?

Well i'm curious about Night Blade stealth... what's the justification for one class to get the stealth

What the hell does the basic stealth mechanic have to do with a third hotbar? Your rhetorical question really backfired there.

Guess it did... didn't pick the best example, but you get the idea right ?...
The sorcerer was designed and balanced to work with 3 hotbars... breaking 1 makes the class unbalanced.
If we didn't have access to 3 hotbars from the start... maybe we would have had more survivability, maybe we would have had more damage... maybe could have walked on clouds... i don't know...

The issue still remains...

God this is like Guild Wars 2 all over again... only sooner...

The magika return did not go down. Just the amount of times you can use the Ultimate's attacks to regen that amount. But balanced with skill use, you can still get a good long use out of Overload. Far longer than ANY other classes ultimates.
How does this RUIN the hotbar? The hotbar is not RUINED. Goodness. The hotbar works just fine, so you lost a bit of DPS for your resource management ability. As a Sorc I totally disagree with you, OP.

Neferath wrote: »

balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO wrote: »

Neferath wrote: »

Well first of all and as stated before, the 3rd skillbar was and is intended for sorc players just like it is for werewolf players.

Second @balu.nicolaeeb17_ESO

Actually i dont really get your point. Not a single change introduced with the last patch should actually affect your playstyle if you use your 3rd skillbar "correctly".

Actually you are still able to use it.

Actually you are still able to put in literally every single skill you are able to use.

Actually all those skills (including melee attack - while they lack the corresponding animation) are still working.

Actually you are still able to keep that ultimate skill and therefore this 3rd skillbar up till Manimarco marries Septima Tharn unless you are silly enough to use your "normal" light and heavy attacks wich wouldnt make any sense at all nor did make any sense before the most recent patch.

So what are you actually complaining bout?

Btw. iam a melee vamp sorc who uses this 3rd skillbar too for all my tanking / survilability skills.

Well of course you can still use all of them... if you want to do less DPS and recover less magika then you would if you don't use them, that is...

Forgive me but if you relied on this ultimate in order to go for more/most dps you actually did something very wrong.

I agree, this is to deal damage AND to regen Magika. This would have to come with some sort of minor DPS hit. Thats the spirit of class balancing. Not just externally balanced with other classes, but internally balancing itself!

Mykah wrote: »

No class should have 3 hot bars.

I just want one more ability button on both hot bars. qq

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Omg... so if a world boss aggros me and i press sneak i escape just like a nightblade would with shadow cloak ?<br />
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While i do agree i didn't pick the best example, but i thought people were smart enough to see pass that...<br />
Every class has some mechanics characteristic only for that class... it's what makes them special... you know...<br />
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Paladins had "the bubble", rogues had "the vanish macro"... and so on...<br />
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Go get some invis pots.