Valn wrote: »

Yours is probably the most ridiculous comment in this thread.

You're assuming you can change classes and make V12s as quickly as you can choose a different weapon in a fps. This is a game where balance is needed (mmo), because people put so much time and effort into one character, they don't have the time to make another one just "because the other class is stronger".

Not this is a most worth comment in the whole thread

If someone can't see what their choice is just bad - they must suffer, but not changing the world to make one looser happy

ArRashid wrote: »

Steel Tornado also has HUGE problems hitting targets (sometimes hits even another pack of mobs while those surrounding you are ignored), not to mention it deals almost zero damage on targets above 25% HP.

So you need to learn:
1. Proper positioning - this is l2p issue, not stamina or even class-issue
2. AOE hits only 6 targets - the same as #1

ArRashid wrote: »

Also, stamina can't be just generated out of thin air like Magicka can (via Spell Symmetry, Warlock set and others).

So you need to get something like Warlock sets while we need to put spell critical in to the armor passives instead of wasting hotbar slot
Deal?

ArRashid wrote: »

If you take any fight longer than 5 seconds - stamina user sits at 10% stamina, unable to do anything but use one ability every 5+ seconds from pure regen,

The same as mages if they didn't have Warlock

ArRashid wrote: »

uses Spell Symmetry (which healer heals up passively without even noticing).

Wanna see at you in the public dungeon casting Spell Symm inside of pack of mobs, lol. Oneshot!

ArRashid wrote: »

You are just proving you never seen stamina user out of PvP (where fights last less than 10 seconds, unless it's between tanks, healers, or tank and healer), and you don't know what you're even hating..

I'm just proved I understand the way in what this game was designed!

Those of us owning you today in light armor will continue doing so in medium or heavy or whatever the buff/nerf sticks tell us to do. There is a reason we are on "top of the hill" and it's rarely by accident.

xMovingTarget wrote: »

i dont know guys, Full light, destro will probably still be better. There are no really hard hitting spammable Skills on the stam side. We will see what that change is going to do.

But i dont think that changes much.

@Samadhi http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/112513/improvements-for-stamina-based-skills-and-passives#latest

Steel Tornado hits harder than Impulse. Way harder. Its downside has always been its cost.

stamina reduction won't help much in a 1v1 vs. a magicka build in pvp when you don't make it far enough into the fight to need to worry about regeneration. Don't forget a light armor wearer still gets to ignore almost half of your spell resistance - nothing medium armor has matches that.

SilverWF wrote: »

Stamina skills already cheap.
They will become even cheaper and will still have advantages from magicka skills.

could i have evidence please? my DW sorc test run in VR5-6 so far is proving to not find this "advantage" you speak of. when the situation starts becoming massivly hard, i switch to my robes and staff.

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

My biggest problem with the classes is all the crying. Seriously. In a fps, if someone says a weapon is OP, I tell them to use it. No one is forcing you to use a harder class, and perhaps you did not consider that they are intentionally harder. I mean, I really don't care what the devs choose to do with their game, but seriously, stop crying about NB already. If the game is too hard for you, choose a different class. Or keep crying, whatever. You're free to cry, and I'm free to cry about how lame crying is, but you started it, so I win.

Yours is probably the most ridiculous comment in this thread.

You're assuming you can change classes and make V12s as quickly as you can choose a different weapon in a fps. This is a game where balance is needed (mmo), because people put so much time and effort into one character, they don't have the time to make another one just "because the other class is stronger".

Well then the issue has to do with switching classes.

Nope. the issue is balance. like i said people aren't going to switch classes all the time like they can switch weapons in a fps.

Slightly off topic but a quick question, why do so many EU players post on the English general forums and not their own? A lot of times it seems that something gets lost in translation and what might have been a honest attempt at a serious post comes across as angry, trollish, etc.

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Slightly off topic but a quick question, why do so many EU players post on the English general forums and not their own? A lot of times it seems that something gets lost in translation and what might have been a honest attempt at a serious post comes across as angry, trollish, etc.

On the one hand, there are plenty of people in the EU where English is either a primary, or a school-learned secondary language.

If I'm not mistaken, the other options for posting include German or French, which leaves out a LOT of languages altogether.

What countries outside of the British Isles is English the primary language in Europe?

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

My biggest problem with the classes is all the crying. Seriously. In a fps, if someone says a weapon is OP, I tell them to use it. No one is forcing you to use a harder class, and perhaps you did not consider that they are intentionally harder. I mean, I really don't care what the devs choose to do with their game, but seriously, stop crying about NB already. If the game is too hard for you, choose a different class. Or keep crying, whatever. You're free to cry, and I'm free to cry about how lame crying is, but you started it, so I win.

Yours is probably the most ridiculous comment in this thread.

You're assuming you can change classes and make V12s as quickly as you can choose a different weapon in a fps. This is a game where balance is needed (mmo), because people put so much time and effort into one character, they don't have the time to make another one just "because the other class is stronger".

Well then the issue has to do with switching classes.

Nope. the issue is balance. like i said people aren't going to switch classes all the time like they can switch weapons in a fps.

If a class is weak, and there is no change in sight, it's your choice to whine about it or to just move on, but no one else cares. It's a video game and the more I hear about Nightblade, the more I hate them. If the magic class had been weak, I would still have played it because I like magic. And when it got hard, I'd suck it up and try harder because the success would be all the sweeter. Whining just shows that your ego can't take a loss and that's a personal problem that we don't want to hear about.

For a lot of us, this is exactly what we did. No shortage of nightblades in guild, at all. And only two of us that I know of are nightmages. The rest stuck it through with medium armor and melee/bow.

All that said, I noticed when running veteran dungeons or world content, I was getting passed by cloth and stick like I was standing still. I had to take on each three-mob with planning and strategy, coming out in the end with nothing left in my bars. And that mage walked right in the group, blasted AOE repetitively, and then worked on. Disheartening.

My experience obviously was not just mine. I saw posters wanting mages nerfed. Others just wanted melee and medium/heavy armor buffed. Many whined, no doubt at all. I like to think there were several of us who put in thoughtful, helpful suggestions, like what is in my signature.

But to hate the class because of it's early difficulties, I'm not sure if that's fair. No more than the *idiots* who hate the mages, or the guys who were vampires, or the guys who used shield bash, or the DK talon/banner spammers, etc.

Like it or not, we're all playing the same game together. I might not like Malabung's forum stances, but I'm happy if he plays the game and enjoys it. It's an MMO, and who knows, we might run content together one day, or I might shoot him in the eye out in Cyrodiil. One can only hope!

Don't wish worse on others. Don't let the complaints get to you. It's still just a game.

SFBryan18 wrote: »

If NB is that weak, it will get fixed. Devs know more about their game than we do. There are many things that they should be working on, but Tamriel wasn't built in a day.

Nightblade has gotten a ton of fixes, with a little more each week.

The main thing I see many complaining about, though, is that Nightblade assassin types aren't supported through class skills well enough. While the abilities work, they don't combine in a proficient enough manner to make the traditional rogue class (stealth, strike from stealth for massive spike damage, evade and stealth again) work.

Maybe this will be improved with a dark brotherhood or thieves guild skill line later. But there are a lot of Nightblades that are disappointed that their idea of the class didn't iron out the way they'd assumed it would.

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Mablung wrote: »

Officially, Ireland, Malta, United Kingdom and Gibraltar. Had to actually wiki that one.

German is the official language of Germany, Belgium, Austria, Denmark, Italy and Luxembourg.

French, in Belgium, France, Italy, Luxembourg.



So, fairly put, they cover 11 of the 28 European Union countries on these here forums.

Of course, English then also covers or at least acts as an easy medium outside that, with Australia, Mexico, USA, and Canada. And like I said, it is often a medium language. My mother, who is a native-born German, grew up learning English in school.

Well, it's more compicated. It's a bit off-topic, but for clarification:
German is official language in Gemany and Austria. It's mainly Danish in Denmak, Italian in Italy, only small minorities in these countries speak German. Germany has a small Danish speaking minority. In Luxembourg it is French, German and Luxembourghish.
Belgium has Dutch, French and little German (maybe strong as 2nd language though).

Anyway, English is one of the few common languages most Europeans speak either as mother tounge or foreign language.

Valn wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

My biggest problem with the classes is all the crying. Seriously. In a fps, if someone says a weapon is OP, I tell them to use it. No one is forcing you to use a harder class, and perhaps you did not consider that they are intentionally harder. I mean, I really don't care what the devs choose to do with their game, but seriously, stop crying about NB already. If the game is too hard for you, choose a different class. Or keep crying, whatever. You're free to cry, and I'm free to cry about how lame crying is, but you started it, so I win.

Yours is probably the most ridiculous comment in this thread.

You're assuming you can change classes and make V12s as quickly as you can choose a different weapon in a fps. This is a game where balance is needed (mmo), because people put so much time and effort into one character, they don't have the time to make another one just "because the other class is stronger".

yes his is the type of answer you hve to expect from someone who either picked a strong class deliberately knowing his inherent lack of skills would demand it. or he has so much free time he just re-rolled, but fails to understand most folk have other stuff going on in their lifes except playing a game

if they nerf his stron class down he,ll be the first on the forums raging epic style.