A Nerf is Coming ....

Ser Lobo · June 2014

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Medium Armor
With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Soon, my light armor wearing brethren, you will find yourselves in a quandary. No longer top of your hill. No longer king of your domain. No longer 'the only choice'.

Some of you will celebrate, free of the shadowsilk bonds that strap you to that musty bed. To you, liberation will be at hand. Don those leathers. Take up against your oppressors.

But to many, you will be visiting these forums, trying to rouse up the masses to support your 'horrible situations'. You will see them doing as well as you, sometimes better, and you will cry 'OhPee'.

Why will nobody see?

Why does nobody understand?

And we will laugh! Silently, menacingly, because we don't want to break stealth before we double crit on ya.

Mablung · June 2014

The informative portion of this post from Jessica is great the rest...not so much.

Yankee · June 2014

I would not mind dusting off my dual wield/bow VR1 one Nightblade. But no stamina build buffs are going to motivate me to level through VR zones again until they fix that mess.

Ser Lobo · June 2014

Mablung wrote: »

The informative portion of this post from Jessica is great the rest...not so much.

Got kinda into it.

Just predicting the cries of 'foul' when this goes live and more mages start losing battles or getting passed over for dps roles.

Any buff nerfs someone else, in some way.

SilverWF · June 2014

Stamina skills already cheap.
They will become even cheaper and will still have advantages from magicka skills.
This is suxx.

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

double crit

This will be nerfed too, because this game is paradise for whiners.

Ragnar_Lodbrok · June 2014

Yes the next fotm builds will be stick and leather.

Samadhi · June 2014

Could you link to the post the quote was taken from? I missed it somewhere but would be interested to read it.
Will the Wind Walker passive be gaining this in addition to the Stamina Recovery, or will it be replacing it?

I never really had an issue with the cost of Stamina based skills while wearing full Medium; I just found the Stamina based skills to be mediocre and not worth the tradeoff to build for compared to Magicka based skills.

jeradlub17_ESO · June 2014

Since when is a buff a nerf?

FrauPerchta · June 2014

I think the passives should be exactly the same for each armor type with the only difference being that Light passives deal with Mag, Med with and Stam and Heavy with Health. Then no one can complain one armor type is OP.

xMovingTarget · June 2014

i dont know guys, Full light, destro will probably still be better. There are no really hard hitting spammable Skills on the stam side. We will see what that change is going to do.

But i dont think that changes much.

@Samadhi http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/112513/improvements-for-stamina-based-skills-and-passives#latest

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Medium Armor
With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Soon, my light armor wearing brethren, you will find yourselves in a quandary. No longer top of your hill. No longer king of your domain. No longer 'the only choice'.

Some of you will celebrate, free of the shadowsilk bonds that strap you to that musty bed. To you, liberation will be at hand. Don those leathers. Take up against your oppressors.

But to many, you will be visiting these forums, trying to rouse up the masses to support your 'horrible situations'. You will see them doing as well as you, sometimes better, and you will cry 'OhPee'.

Why will nobody see?

Why does nobody understand?

And we will laugh! Silently, menacingly, because we don't want to break stealth before we double crit on ya.

You obviously dont PVE lol. leather will give you a 14% reduction while light gets you 28% lol. And this is what zos is balancing around? a stealth chr that runs around griefing people with ones shots. no wonder the game is so F'd up. Enjoy it while it lasts . None of those changes will bring a stam build up to par with a stave and light armor DPS in sustained fights for end game PVE.

SilverWF · June 2014

xMovingTarget wrote: »

There are no really hard hitting spammable Skills on the stam side.

Did you even logged in to the game?
Steel Tornado hits like a truck with a 1,5 times bigger radius than Impulse

Maverick827 · June 2014

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Medium Armor
With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Soon, my light armor wearing brethren, you will find yourselves in a quandary. No longer top of your hill. No longer king of your domain. No longer 'the only choice'.

Some of you will celebrate, free of the shadowsilk bonds that strap you to that musty bed. To you, liberation will be at hand. Don those leathers. Take up against your oppressors.

But to many, you will be visiting these forums, trying to rouse up the masses to support your 'horrible situations'. You will see them doing as well as you, sometimes better, and you will cry 'OhPee'.

Why will nobody see?

Why does nobody understand?

And we will laugh! Silently, menacingly, because we don't want to break stealth before we double crit on ya.

You obviously dont PVE lol. leather will give you a 14% reduction while light gets you 28% lol. And this is what zos is balancing around? a stealth chr that runs around griefing people with ones shots. no wonder the game is so F'd up. Enjoy it while it lasts . None of those changes will bring a stam build up to par with a stave and light armor DPS in sustained fights for end game PVE.

Do you mean 21%?

Samadhi · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

There are no really hard hitting spammable Skills on the stam side.

Did you even logged in to the game?
Steel Tornado hits like a truck with a 1,5 times bigger radius than Impulse

I only use Steel Tornado as a finisher after I have done the main portion of my damage with Magicka skills when I AoE grind.

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

There are no really hard hitting spammable Skills on the stam side.

Did you even logged in to the game?
Steel Tornado hits like a truck with a 1,5 times bigger radius than Impulse

the problem is the resources with it. please go take your steel tornadoe to the third boss in spindle clutch . or the adds in Keeper imiril . then come back and tell me how good it works.

kijima · June 2014

Heh, might be good times for me.

My 'Traditional' Medium Armour, DW and Bow NB might be looking like a decent choice now.

Cody · June 2014

im going to do the unthinkable: rolling a sorc:/ I am dying to play some PvP, and a sorc will be able to go thru the Vr grind a lot faster than my NB. once stamina builds get fixed, and NBs get more power, ill delete my sorc, and get back on my NB. I don't think this passive thing will solve these problems friend:/

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

NookyZooky wrote: »

im going to do the unthinkable: rolling a sorc:/ I am dying to play some PvP, and a sorc will be able to go thru the Vr grind a lot faster than my NB. once stamina builds get fixed, and NBs get more power, ill delete my sorc, and get back on my NB. I don't think this passive thing will solve these problems friend:/

It is what i did. My sorc in light armor Vr 4 Decimates my VR 12 dk in heavy armor on all fronts Tank DPS and healer. Ive done all the VR dungeons with the sorc there is litteraly no difference in mitigation. the Magica regen is incredible and ive only 300 HP less then my DK. With two abilites im 1200 points over soft cap on armor. Laughable.

ExiledKhallisi · June 2014

FrauPerchta wrote: »

I think the passives should be exactly the same for each armor type with the only difference being that Light passives deal with Mag, Med with and Stam and Heavy with Health. Then no one can complain one armor type is OP.

This makes more sense than sliced bread.

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

Maverick827 wrote: »

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Medium Armor
With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Soon, my light armor wearing brethren, you will find yourselves in a quandary. No longer top of your hill. No longer king of your domain. No longer 'the only choice'.

Some of you will celebrate, free of the shadowsilk bonds that strap you to that musty bed. To you, liberation will be at hand. Don those leathers. Take up against your oppressors.

But to many, you will be visiting these forums, trying to rouse up the masses to support your 'horrible situations'. You will see them doing as well as you, sometimes better, and you will cry 'OhPee'.

Why will nobody see?

Why does nobody understand?

And we will laugh! Silently, menacingly, because we don't want to break stealth before we double crit on ya.

You obviously dont PVE lol. leather will give you a 14% reduction while light gets you 28% lol. And this is what zos is balancing around? a stealth chr that runs around griefing people with ones shots. no wonder the game is so F'd up. Enjoy it while it lasts . None of those changes will bring a stam build up to par with a stave and light armor DPS in sustained fights for end game PVE.

Do you mean 21%?

Yes i mean 21% Red, 28% rec,10% crit and a whooping 42% penetration . medium comes no where near that.

SFBryan18 · June 2014

My biggest problem with the classes is all the crying. Seriously. In a fps, if someone says a weapon is OP, I tell them to use it. No one is forcing you to use a harder class, and perhaps you did not consider that they are intentionally harder. I mean, I really don't care what the devs choose to do with their game, but seriously, stop crying about NB already. If the game is too hard for you, choose a different class. Or keep crying, whatever. You're free to cry, and I'm free to cry about how lame crying is, but you started it, so I win.

Tendeep · June 2014

HOLY [snip] - They do not even get why Stamina builds are garbage do they? Did they even make this game, or buy it off of rent-a-devs?
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The skills are crap, sprint uses stamina makes stamina crap, doge stamina loss = crap, melee skills and attacks = crap, tank skills = crap, why waste my time with this anymore lol...

Still, the only way to live is light armor and staves... BOO

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Lynx7386 · June 2014

You obviously dont PVE lol. leather will give you a 14% reduction while light gets you 28% lol. And this is what zos is balancing around? a stealth chr that runs around griefing people with ones shots. no wonder the game is so F'd up. Enjoy it while it lasts . None of those changes will bring a stam build up to par with a stave and light armor DPS in sustained fights for end game PVE.

You obviously dont PVE lol. leather will give you a 14% reduction while light gets you 28% lol. And this is what zos is balancing around? a stealth chr that runs around griefing people with ones shots. no wonder the game is so F'd up. Enjoy it while it lasts . None of those changes will bring a stam build up to par with a stave and light armor DPS in sustained fights for end game PVE.[/quote]

Yes i mean 21% Red, 28% rec,10% crit and a whooping 42% penetration . medium comes no where near that.

You're right, after the patch medium armor will have 24% reduction, 21% recovery (same as light, your 28% is miscalculated btw), and 21% crit. Depending on class and weapon set, we can get anywhere between 40%-80% armor penetration.

Let's see the tears, now. C'mon, dont be shy.

Mortosk · June 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Many of you have asked what we’re doing to make skills, passives, and builds based on stamina more viable and as attractive as the magicka-based options. Below is a first look at some of the improvements we’re making to stamina-based skills and passives. As with all our balance efforts, this is an ongoing process and there will be more to come. We look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Medium Armor
With the Wind Walker passive, medium armor will reduce stamina costs by 2% per piece equipped.

Soon, my light armor wearing brethren, you will find yourselves in a quandary. No longer top of your hill. No longer king of your domain. No longer 'the only choice'.

Some of you will celebrate, free of the shadowsilk bonds that strap you to that musty bed. To you, liberation will be at hand. Don those leathers. Take up against your oppressors.

But to many, you will be visiting these forums, trying to rouse up the masses to support your 'horrible situations'. You will see them doing as well as you, sometimes better, and you will cry 'OhPee'.

Why will nobody see?

Why does nobody understand?

And we will laugh! Silently, menacingly, because we don't want to break stealth before we double crit on ya.

youtu.be/CS9OO0S5w2k

Chordling · June 2014

Create an ability for Nightblades to change sprint/dodge/block etc to use magicka instead and THEN you'll have a viable class.
Nothing else will bring parity.

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

Lynx7386 wrote: »

You obviously dont PVE lol. leather will give you a 14% reduction while light gets you 28% lol. And this is what zos is balancing around? a stealth chr that runs around griefing people with ones shots. no wonder the game is so F'd up. Enjoy it while it lasts . None of those changes will bring a stam build up to par with a stave and light armor DPS in sustained fights for end game PVE.

You obviously dont PVE lol. leather will give you a 14% reduction while light gets you 28% lol. And this is what zos is balancing around? a stealth chr that runs around griefing people with ones shots. no wonder the game is so F'd up. Enjoy it while it lasts . None of those changes will bring a stam build up to par with a stave and light armor DPS in sustained fights for end game PVE.

Yes i mean 21% Red, 28% rec,10% crit and a whooping 42% penetration . medium comes no where near that.

You're right, after the patch medium armor will have 24% reduction, 21% recovery (same as light, your 28% is miscalculated btw), and 21% crit. Depending on class and weapon set, we can get anywhere between 40%-80% armor penetration.

Let's see the tears, now. C'mon, dont be shy.[/quote]

Have fun trying to get a group in trials lol, im not crying its broken dude have fun.

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

Wifeaggro13 wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

You obviously dont PVE lol. leather will give you a 14% reduction while light gets you 28% lol. And this is what zos is balancing around? a stealth chr that runs around griefing people with ones shots. no wonder the game is so F'd up. Enjoy it while it lasts . None of those changes will bring a stam build up to par with a stave and light armor DPS in sustained fights for end game PVE.

You obviously dont PVE lol. leather will give you a 14% reduction while light gets you 28% lol. And this is what zos is balancing around? a stealth chr that runs around griefing people with ones shots. no wonder the game is so F'd up. Enjoy it while it lasts . None of those changes will bring a stam build up to par with a stave and light armor DPS in sustained fights for end game PVE.

Yes i mean 21% Red, 28% rec,10% crit and a whooping 42% penetration . medium comes no where near that.

You're right, after the patch medium armor will have 24% reduction, 21% recovery (same as light, your 28% is miscalculated btw), and 21% crit. Depending on class and weapon set, we can get anywhere between 40%-80% armor penetration.

Let's see the tears, now. C'mon, dont be shy.

Have fun trying to get a group in trials lol, im not crying its broken dude have fun.

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Light armor Rec is 4 % x 7 dude 28 % . and the patch is not doing any of that did you even read the patch notes? jesus all it is changing in windwalker

Ser Lobo · June 2014

Chordling wrote: »

Create an ability for Nightblades to change sprint/dodge/block etc to use magicka instead and THEN you'll have a viable class.
Nothing else will bring parity.

What do you do, then, with stamina focused melee characters of other classes?

Chordling · June 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Chordling wrote: »

Create an ability for Nightblades to change sprint/dodge/block etc to use magicka instead and THEN you'll have a viable class.
Nothing else will bring parity.

What do you do, then, with stamina focused melee characters of other classes?

You make it a medium armor passive, then anyone who wants to be a pure stamina dps build can use their magicka for blocking/dodging etc
This would serve to make tank build variety much more interesting also.

Valn · June 2014

SFBryan18 wrote: »

My biggest problem with the classes is all the crying. Seriously. In a fps, if someone says a weapon is OP, I tell them to use it. No one is forcing you to use a harder class, and perhaps you did not consider that they are intentionally harder. I mean, I really don't care what the devs choose to do with their game, but seriously, stop crying about NB already. If the game is too hard for you, choose a different class. Or keep crying, whatever. You're free to cry, and I'm free to cry about how lame crying is, but you started it, so I win.

Yours is probably the most ridiculous comment in this thread.

You're assuming you can change classes and make V12s as quickly as you can choose a different weapon in a fps. This is a game where balance is needed (mmo), because people put so much time and effort into one character, they don't have the time to make another one just "because the other class is stronger".

Guppet · June 2014

FrauPerchta wrote: »

I think the passives should be exactly the same for each armor type with the only difference being that Light passives deal with Mag, Med with and Stam and Heavy with Health. Then no one can complain one armor type is OP.

Can't really see them letting heavy reduce health cost of things