They only recently changed the vampire line so that it's not essentially a requirement for everyone to be a vampire in PvP and now you want to do away with literally the only downside to being a vampire that exists?

Sure, okay, you can have the same fire resists as everyone else's, but the efficacy of every single one of your passives and actives will have to be cut in half.

As it is, I still feel like I find entirely too many vampires out there. Nearly every PvP video on YouTube is of a vampire, even just because of the sneak movement buff. It feels weird standing at crafting tables and normally having a vampire standing next to me in the sunlight, you know, just doing some man/mer things as an undead.

Aoifesan wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Playing vampire is like switching on hardmode

So go and get a cure!

Nope switching on Hard mode is at character create. Choose NB/Templar and any stamina based weapon.

Proceed to hard mode.

NB and Templars are fine.

There needs to be a reason not to be a vampire, if the fire debuff wrecking you is getting old you could always cure yourself.

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

At vet 12 with 2100~ spell resist and a 1475 fire resist ring, I would only take 15% more damage from fire as a vamp.

I did however remove vamp, as the only reason I remained as one was the crouch speed. I found the negative effects no longer out weighed the positive effects. (21% reduced spell cost for vamps at the cost of 75% health regen at stage 4, no thanks.)

why would you say no when vamps clearly are at a disadvantage over normal characters?

currently:

supernatural recovery: garbage 10% is nothing.

undeath: never works

unnatural resistance: bugged

and not to mention the health regeneration debuff, which begs the question. where exactly does vamp play a role in this game? horrible in pve due to increased fire damage which also is a problem in pvp.

The vampire should only play a role in some damp cave or castle where people RP. That's it .

Be thankful that they allow you to be outside during the day time, and not limit you to adventuring indoors or at night.

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

DDemon wrote: »

At vet 12 with 2100~ spell resist and a 1475 fire resist ring, I would only take 15% more damage from fire as a vamp.

I did however remove vamp, as the only reason I remained as one was the crouch speed. I found the negative effects no longer out weighed the positive effects. (21% reduced spell cost for vamps at the cost of 75% health regen at stage 4, no thanks.)

why would you say no when vamps clearly are at a disadvantage over normal characters?

currently:

supernatural recovery: garbage 10% is nothing.

undeath: never works

unnatural resistance: bugged

and not to mention the health regeneration debuff, which begs the question. where exactly does vamp play a role in this game? horrible in pve due to increased fire damage which also is a problem in pvp.

The vampire should only play a role in some damp cave or castle where people RP. That's it .

Then that should apply to mages guild, fighters guild and undaunted. hmm let's see.

mages guild - 50% reduced magicka
fighters guild - 50% reduced stamina
undaunted - 50% less loot in dungeons.

sounds fair to me tbh.

All those have very long grinds to get and level compared to the vamp. Undoubted has no passives and only group utility skills. Mages guild passives all require slotted MG skills and are very minor passives. Fighters guild skills and passives are only really effective on less then half the monsters in the games. Your comparison of guilds with vamps is laughable.

here's a better idea how bout we tone down the whining from people who consciously made the choice to be come a vampire because the want all they consider to be advantage and none of the disadvantage. I think they should add towns people attacking you when you enter towns and it is obvious you are a vampire. I can look at people and clearly see that they are vampires why can't these idiots?

I wouldn't be against it, but I don't feel it's urgent. So I vote other. I can understand maybe a scaling system with the fire damage.... or maybe different ways to obtain fire resist... also separating spell resist, armor, etc.. from fire resist wouldn't be a bad thing. However, it won't bother me either way (whether they make a change to it or not). And yes my main is a Vamp.

Rylana wrote: »

Spell resist of 1500+
Ring of fire resist of 1000

Be dunmer for added lulz.

Whats this fire damage?

As far as I know the Dunmer resistance and Fire Res from an enchant dont stack at max level. Meaning, you need 1 max Fire Res enchant or be Dunmer.

You cannot reduce the weakness to fire lower than 25%. Unless it has been changed, was a while when it was tested.

That being said, even with Spell Res over the softcap but without Fire Res you still get hit for close to 2k by anything that can charge a Fire attack.
A boss mob with fire attacks (atronach/caster) can and will hit you for over 800 with its notmal attacks. Veteran levels ofc.

I do think the weakness is kinda overdone in ESO. The majority of the spell damage in this game is Fire (players and mobs).

The only reason Im still a vampire is because I have to reset my skills ontop of curing myself and Dark Stalker. The rest I dont use.

Edit; to clarify, I really dont care if they change it or not. Dark Stalker (stealth speed) should have been in the Medium Armor tree to begin with.

I am usually a vamp and I say no. The other downsides are almost nothing.

What's the maximum fire mitigation you can achieve? And how much fire and spell resistance are you going to need to do it?

Ironically, I'm thinking of making a perma-death character, since it seems really tanky with the Invigorating Drain, Cloud of Bats, and Undeath Passive. But I don't want to get one shot by Molag Bal, or any fire mage, normal or vet.

Game over. Re-roll. :P

So far I've yet to see anybody argue why making fire resist tied to stage would be a bad idea.

Most of the no crowd seems to just repeat bla bla twilight, overblowing things to vamps asking for no fire debuff, and some rambling about sun damage since they can't accept that sun damage while popular in some types isn't a mandatory part of being a vampire.

Arora wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Spell resist of 1500+
Ring of fire resist of 1000

Be dunmer for added lulz.

Whats this fire damage?

yeah but im already vet 2 and im not starting another character to get fire resists

Getting the highest possible Fire Resistance glyph on 1 ring fx, will do the same thing. It wont stack anyways

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

Being a Vamp is not why vet mobs are oneshotting you. Alot of Vet mobs hit everyone for stupid amounts of damage even in solo instances. I have had solo dungeon mobs hit me for 2600+ repeatedly.

Being a Vamp is the reason silly stuff like an imp can one shot you. It is kinda obvious they're talking about fire damage from everywhere as a vampire.

The fire weakness, however lore accurate is stuffed in a game where almost everything is fire. The only other stuff we see is the odd Atronach, staffs, spark imp and lone mage with either lightning bolt or ice storm.
The rest is fire, 2 classes with fire and only the sorcerer with a couple of lightning attacks.

It is slightly tiresome that ppl cant get an actual discussion going on these forums. Most of it is "I hate your class/skills, so die/nerf/golfclap".

I get it, you hate twilight, you hated the pvp batswarm crap, mistform abuse etc. All these thngs apply to me aswell, I however, still think it's a tad overdone