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Tone Down The Fire Debuff For Vampires
tordr86b16_ESO
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Getting nearly 1 shot by these veteran caster mobs is getting really old. I like challenge but getting killed just by getting hit once is just silly. I personally hope they remove this fire debuff entirely or at least reduce it down to some sane number because everything in this game, including most instances have tons of fire damage everywhere.
Playing vampire is like switching on hardmode, especially when healing a group with vamps.
Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on June 20, 2014 7:56AM Playing vampire is like switching on hardmode, especially when healing a group with vamps.
Tone Down The Fire Debuff For Vampires 293 votes
Yeah it really has to be toned down.
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No!
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Rylana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other.Spell resist of 1500+
Ring of fire resist of 1000
Be dunmer for added lulz.
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Drake81✭✭✭No!As long as WW has no merit in this game, i think having a big negativ on Vamps is totaly ok.
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poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭No!My Red Witch is only level 30 but I have 800 fire resist hung on her. Her spell resist is impressive too.
I keep her at stage 4, except for single boss missions, I'll feed her for them. Any simple questing works better if my Drain Essence is cheap. My witch is OP and delicate but she can happily wade in the trash now. You have to be careful but when it's clicking, I'm draining them right dead right in front of me, and I can loot em' before they hit the ground. I actually have to hold back a bit so I don't take too much health before they get to me. The 3 and even 5 man groups are just fun. She is a thirsty girl.
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Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other.Well , it deppends on how viable the devs want the vampires in general to be , like said above , you can , to a point , bypass the fire problem , ofc , you are still a lot weaker to it and so on.
It is hard for me to decide if they should or not reduce it in my opinion , mostly because , the other skills are indeed good so it appears to be a fair trade we get.
Maybe they should instead make it scale with the stages , so only if you are on stage 4 you get 50% weakness."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Anvos✭✭✭Other.I say other.
Largely the issue falls on the fact that the hard cap for spell/elemental resistance is only like 2500 which can be achieved just from being dunmer or 1 purple quality resist fire enchant. Also there is the fact that the weakness is taking more damage instead of 50% reduced resistance to fire.
Though I would like if they maybe made it so fire resistance penalty was also tied to stage where it works opposite of the current buff where stage 1 has the best fire resist and it gets worse as your stage gets higher.1 -
Pele✭✭✭✭✭Other.
Well said. I like your idea to have the weakness scale with vampire stages; it's logical.Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Well , it deppends on how viable the devs want the vampires in general to be , like said above , you can , to a point , bypass the fire problem , ofc , you are still a lot weaker to it and so on.
It is hard for me to decide if they should or not reduce it in my opinion , mostly because , the other skills are indeed good so it appears to be a fair trade we get.
Maybe they should instead make it scale with the stages , so only if you are on stage 4 you get 50% weakness.
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PBpsy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No!Double It.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)4 -
Laura✭✭✭✭✭
✭No!IMO you should burst into flames and die when you go outside during the day. Or you should at least be significantly weaker or something...
there SHOULD be some downsides to being CURSED16 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭No!Oh please you just smoke the pyros first.
She has not died to fire in a long time. At first, before I had some protection from my Enchanter (handy to have a full suite, he did the 300 neck and the two 250 rings. He will get better as my fighters do) I did have trouble with fire casters but again they are a priority, and my priorities die fast. With that 800 fire resist she does not worry much anymore, but you always have to be careful. Might end up fighting with things, always a mistake. A pro just executes, my Red Witch is all pro, until I miss that guy in the corner etc etc.. 1 -
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✭✭Other."other" Why is my Vampire even threatened by frost magic?? lol? Keep the silly fire weakness, but buff our frost resistance to hold up to, you know, logic.
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✭✭✭No!"other" Why is my Vampire even threatened by frost magic?? lol? Keep the silly fire weakness, but buff our frost resistance to hold up to, you know, logic.
Oh, and "balance."
What logic says that a stinking disgusting pile of (un)dead flesh should not be damaged by frost? Actually maybe they should also add an increase chance of freezing, that would be logical to me.
And Vamps do not deserve no freaking balance.Edited by PBpsy on June 20, 2014 8:38AMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)7 -
Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other."other" Why is my Vampire even threatened by frost magic?? lol? Keep the silly fire weakness, but buff our frost resistance to hold up to, you know, logic.
Oh, and "balance."
What logic says that a stinking disgusting pile of (un)dead flesh should not be damaged by frost? Actually maybe they should also add an increase chance of freezing, that would be logical to me.
And Vamps do not deserve no freaking balance.
Oh, I don't know... Maybe the logic that has been derived from both lore, and the fact that EVERY TES game had Vampires and Undead in-general being resistant to frost. In TES Skyrim, higher-level Vampires were irrevocably, completely immune to frost.
Yes, they do deserve "balance." Just like everything needs balance these days. Though, I guess giving VR mobs a harsh unmerciful nerf would solve a lot of problems all-in-one. But I digress, of course.7 -
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✭Yeah it really has to be toned down.poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »My Red Witch is only level 30 but I have 800 fire resist hung on her. Her spell resist is impressive too.
I keep her at stage 4, except for single boss missions, I'll feed her for them. Any simple questing works better if my Drain Essence is cheap. My witch is OP and delicate but she can happily wade in the trash now. You have to be careful but when it's clicking, I'm draining them right dead right in front of me, and I can loot em' before they hit the ground. I actually have to hold back a bit so I don't take too much health before they get to me. The 3 and even 5 man groups are just fun. She is a thirsty girl.
Level 30 is a piece of cake, wait till you rise up the chain.
I know more people that have dropped vamp because of vet content rather than have kept it.Edited by martinhpb16_ESO on June 20, 2014 8:57AMAt least the spelling is difficult for you.
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✭✭No!If you cant stand it, then dont be a vampire. for all the bonuses are coming some negatives. Thats how it is and how it should be. If you are a vamp, you can heal in combat, sprint in sneak etc. therefor you have that negative fire resist.
Rings etc are cool. but gimping your DPS because you cant wear spell damage is also a trade off. In my eyes there is no reason to really be a vampire. at least not in PvE.
But at the end of the day, YOU choose to be a vamp, so YOU have to live with its pros and cons. And if YOU dont like it, cure it! Its just that easy.6 -
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✭Yeah it really has to be toned down.xMovingTarget wrote: »If you cant stand it, then dont be a vampire. for all the bonuses are coming some negatives. Thats how it is and how it should be. If you are a vamp, you can heal in combat, sprint in sneak etc. therefor you have that negative fire resist.
Rings etc are cool. but gimping your DPS because you cant wear spell damage is also a trade off. In my eyes there is no reason to really be a vampire. at least not in PvE.
But at the end of the day, YOU choose to be a vamp, so YOU have to live with its pros and cons. And if YOU dont like it, cure it! Its just that easy.
we have more negatives than positives, and spell resistance is bunk. i have 1900 and it doesn't help jack ***. i added 1000 fire res and it is still not enough.Edited by tordr86b16_ESO on June 20, 2014 9:16AM2 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭I say no, make it harder to play a Creature who gets heavy Advantages over other "Races".
This is a typical Problem of this Generation, i want it all but i dont want to pay the Price for it. You are a Vampire, you are weak against Fire, you are cursed.
They should implement more Disadvantages, so only Player who wants really play this Creatures for RP/Look maybe, choose this Option.
Come on, i mean seriously the most Players would play a pink Elephant if they get some hot Bonus. That leads to the Problem that other Players have a Disadvantage or get Problems if they don`t have the *right* Race for the higher Raids. The Result is, every Player has to choose this Option too or have to live with this Disadvantage.
Look around, you see many of this Vampires, give them more Disadvantages and you will see they will vanish. Only a few Players will continue to play them because they like the Style and don`t care for Numbers.
And pls don`t try to arguement that the Firedebuff is a greaaaat Disadvantage because the most Player/Vampires knows that you can counter this with Fire Resistance.
Give Vampires more Disadvantages, so the Player have to pay for the Bonus he get. Turn the damn Fireweakness up, so they think about it before they choose the Race, to become better than others.
And for the End , you damn Undead Creatures don`t look cool, every Time i see one of this rotten Saladheads i don`t try to laugh and pull my Silverbolts out to burst them away.
Oh man yes, give the NPCs the Option to detect this Undead and hunt them down, then we will see how much of the *cool* Guys stay with this Race
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MFG Murmeltier.
Edited by Murmeltier on June 20, 2014 9:23AM4 -
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✭No!tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Getting nearly 1 shot by these veteran caster mobs is getting really old. I like challenge but getting killed just by getting hit once is just silly. I personally hope they remove this fire debuff entirely or at least reduce it down to some sane number because everything in this game, including most instances have tons of fire damage everywhere.
Playing vampire is like switching on hardmode, especially when healing a group with vamps.
Put a purple Fire protection glyph on a purple jewel.
You can afford to lose one regen from jewel, due to the Vampire passives.
Personally having 1060 Fire Protection goes long road at Veteran Levels (VR5+) and at Cyrodiil.
Especially at Cyrodiil I laugh at the Dragonknights and the Fire damage Casters.
And yes I am a Khajiit Templar Vampire. And never bothered to get off Stage 4 either. Feels pointless the hassle to try find victims.
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✭✭No!tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »we have more negatives than positives, and spell resistance is bunk. i have 1900 and it doesn't help jack ***. i added 1000 fire res and it is still not enough.
Exactly. Whatever you do. you can never negate the -50%. You will always get sufficient more damage fire. No matter how much fire resistance you stack on your gear. And its fine.
Back in the days, when i leveled my first character, it was in in stonefalls VR6. There was that 1 Boss on the mountain. The one with the fire pools left and right. I was vamp by that time. I couldnt do it. Was Dualwield Nightblade Vamp.
Then i cured that crap called vampirism and violá, that thing was easy as -snip-.
The point of my story should be clear.
But yea, you guys need to live with malus or get rid of it. I was happy i did. now my NB is Wolf and my DK is just Dunmer!0 -
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✭Other.xMovingTarget wrote: »If you cant stand it, then dont be a vampire. for all the bonuses are coming some negatives. Thats how it is and how it should be. If you are a vamp, you can heal in combat, sprint in sneak etc. therefor you have that negative fire resist.
Rings etc are cool. but gimping your DPS because you cant wear spell damage is also a trade off. In my eyes there is no reason to really be a vampire. at least not in PvE.
But at the end of the day, YOU choose to be a vamp, so YOU have to live with its pros and cons. And if YOU dont like it, cure it! Its just that easy.
Yeah , this is not how it work entirely , a guy can decide to be a vampire , because of it , he needs to equip tons of items to deal with the vampire problem , tuss his overall effectiveness goes down , now this guy , might be joining a group of people.
Now the healer , needs to deal with this guys extra damage taken and in the end of the day , if there is a dps check , the whole group also must meet that , if this guy is the tank , then the whole thing is almost suicidal.
Would you stop being a vampire because you become a bigger issue to your group? I know i would not , i would expect the team to still work it out , plain and simple , if we cant , then we all die.
The reason i think it having stages would be better , is because a vampire can then feed before doing these dungeons and so on and thus reduce this issue by a lot by just managing their vulnerability.
This would also balance the vampire since right now , it is MUCH better to just be a vamp stage 4 100% of the time , people never feed , there is no reason to ever do that heh.Edited by Nox_Aeterna on June 20, 2014 9:33AM"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Havelocke✭✭Yeah it really has to be toned down.How about, instead of removing the fire debuff - give us the ice resist that every other vampire has in every other Elder Scrolls game4 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No!I'm going wit no for this reason.
Right now the choice to be a vampire is one of the few in the game with meaningful consequences. You gain a lot of abilities and power for a very negative effect.
Vampires are already very popular because most people figure their negatives don't outweigh the positives, if we skew that risk vs reward (or whatever you want to call it) any more you will see almost every player running a vampire.
Also the fire weakness is the one thing personally making the crazy abilities of the vampire balanced in PVP for me.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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Murmeltier✭✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Getting nearly 1 shot by these veteran caster mobs is getting really old. I like challenge but getting killed just by getting hit once is just silly. I personally hope they remove this fire debuff entirely or at least reduce it down to some sane number because everything in this game, including most instances have tons of fire damage everywhere.
Playing vampire is like switching on hardmode, especially when healing a group with vamps.
Put a purple Fire protection glyph on a purple jewel.
You can afford to lose one regen from jewel, due to the Vampire passives.
Personally having 1060 Fire Protection goes long road at Veteran Levels (VR5+) and at Cyrodiil.
Especially at Cyrodiil I laugh at the Dragonknights and the Fire damage Casters.
And yes I am a Khajiit Templar Vampire. And never bothered to get off Stage 4 either. Feels pointless the hassle to try find victims.
This i mean. A perfect Example how much Bonus it brings to play a Vampire. This Option needs more Disadvantage or most of the Players will choose this too. And hello, is this Teso or a cheap Twillight MMORPG?
I mean if we can get some nice Bonus it will work like the Veteran Ranks, you need to have this to play at the Endgame. Zenimax should know this and don`t offer a cheap Option to get some Advantages in the Game.
MFG Murmeltier.
Edited by Murmeltier on June 20, 2014 9:42AM0 -
No!beeing a vampire should be a 2 sided sword, because the vampire skillline adds so much (in my opinion too much) to survivability and utility, that there must be a severe downside (even more than just only the + firedamage i think, because it can be countered).
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Nova Sky✭✭✭✭✭I think humans should be given a weakness — to allergies! MWHAHAHAHA!"Wheresoever you go, go with all of your heart."1 -
I got vamp just for the Dark Stalker passive. Because running while stealthed is just too cool.
And I only got my Vamp after reaching VR12 and going through Shadowfen. Then again the last 3 areas in the EP content has so little fire mobs. Yay! There's so little need for any fire resist enchantments in those areas.Edited by JonzzLonewolf on June 20, 2014 10:57AM0 -
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✭✭✭No!Vampires have always been weak to fire and so they should be. Weaknesses encourage the player to use different tactics. I have 3 vampires and enjoy them just as they are - one is an enchanter, so he's currently making fire resists for them.RIP Atherton, my beautiful little gentle friend. I will miss you forever. Without you I am a hollow shell.1 -
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✭i remember someone saying that vampires cannot easily or flat out do trials, as there is a boss that has a fire attack strong enough to make it impossible for a Vampire to avoid getting one shotted.I play every class in every situation. I love them all.0 -
Animus0724✭✭✭No!I play as a vampire and even I will admit, without the fire debuff it will just be OP broken...not to mention breaking lore, which this game has done a few times already.I take pride in being an incredibly smart dumb ass, or an incredibly dumb smart ass, either way I'm awesome.
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