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Skyrim > ESO
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Elencha✭✭✭Seriously? This many people really think that comparing two RPGs is impossible because the number of players involved is different? Two RPGs in the same franchise? Really? I'm going to assume trolling because I refuse to accept that anywhere near that percentage of the world's population is that obtuse. Not that I'm implying that this was most of the thread, just a shockingly large number for such a very basic error.
Anyway, @AinGeal, and the rest of you who bothered to actually engage the topic, you make some excellent points. Making a multiplayer game doesn't necessitate hand-holding quest chains or limiting world access.
I don't know what blasphemy of an RPG created the idea that once you add a multiplayer environment to the genre, the RPG part needs to be amputated, and replaced by a hamster wheel, but when I find out, it's going on the list of things to fix when someone invents time travel.
I actually quite enjoy ESO, but it doesn't hold my attention the way other RPGs have. It doesn't compel me to get on and find out what's going on with Ayrenn, or hang out with Raz. I like them. A lot even. I just don't feel compelled.
To compare it to yet another RPG, (heaven forbid, I know), when I played Dragon Age: Origins, all day at work I couldn't wait to get home and see Alistair. Couldn't freaking wait. And then Zevran showed up, and I was so torn, I did my level best to keep them both interested. I agonized when Alistair insisted I make a choice. It broke my heart when after I had left my beautiful elven suitor behind for him, he refused to marry me because I was an elf.
What game started this idea that an MMORPG is about rushing to max level and grinding for gear, rather than, say... I don't know... Roleplaying in a massively multiplayer online setting? MMO is in fact adjective, not noun. The noun is RPG.3 -
Gedalya✭✭✭✭✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »(Keep trolling to minimal please.) Edit: <- Apparently this is troll bait, and it certainly got a few bites.
Not sure if Troll... but: I'm still enjoying ESO. I do think some improvements are needed; particularly related to balancing Veteran content and the Veteran aspects of Cyrodiil PvE.0 -
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✭I think the RPG part is lackluster because you are clearly expected to do every quest and join all the guilds (all two of them) to be able to keep your level in sync with the world around you. In Skyrim, I could pick and choose what I wanted to do. Having different world-changing outcomes for different choices would of course be impossible to do in an MMO game, but I would still like to be able to role play by e.g. choosing not to get involved in politics and faction war (In Skyrim you could pretty much ignore the civil war and still do almost anything else), or joining only the Mages' Guild. By offering several paths through the game, Skyrim had a replayability that I don't see in ESO. After I have leveled one character in each faction, I will have seen everything of the base levels in the game. By comparison, I probably still haven't seen everything in Skryim. (Well, OK, maybe I have by now, but it took me a really long time before I felt I had played it to the nub.)
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Thor✭✭✭Skyrim was much more believable and immersive experience. Countryside was much less dramatic but beautiful, monster were more "ordinary", quests and problems NPC needed to solve were also more close to "normal" life. ESO is full of ghosts, rituals, there virtually no quest without some sort of portal of flashy explosion.
ESO is more about numbers, minmaxing and exploiting than about story, exploration and enjoying the world. Part of this inevitable in MMO I'm afraid, but for sure I had higher expectations in this regard.
I'm looking forward to walk through Skyrim with Oculus Rift when it is finally out just to enjoy the sight. You can walk there without having to fight through packs of stupid monster every few steps. Danger usually lurks in caves, dungeons and ruins. In ESO, ordinary citizen would be dead in seconds outside the city... It's just too packed with stupid action.
ESO is fine MMO, but as a TES game it's disapointing.4 -
Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭It might be an apples and oranges comparison but to make it less so, Skyrim is a significantly better single player RPG than ESO is a MMO, IMO.
But, in fairness, there were a lot of generic dungeons and bosses in Skyrim, too. A Bandit Leader got sick of me, I'm sure.2 -
Sindala✭✭✭✭✭Because in Skyrim you had Housing. So you could take a break and just go resource gathering to fill up your stocks when you got bored of kill grinding.Being First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.1 -
Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭I don't like comparisons, i like a game or i don't.
Skyrim kept me busy and was very entertaining but didn't make me happy on a long run because it had no challenges and no pvp.
Its a different game but for a single player it was good, thats it.Edited by Bromburak on June 20, 2014 5:22PM1 -
Moonscythe✭✭✭✭✭I played Skyrim for two full years with 5 different major characters. Three of them finished the main and both DLC quests. I never did most of the factions at all ever but still had fun wandering, crafting, exploring. It always amazed me how different places looked just by taking a different route. That's what I hoped to find in ESO.
Being totally new to MMOs I didn't realize that was unrealistic. I'm enjoying ESO but find the very fact that it is an MMO to be the cause of my lack of immersion. When I run into a cave or ruin I feel rushed sometimes just by all the activity around me even when I play off peak which I do. I can't play a stealthy archer or an aloof mage with people running through me taking out the targets I was carefully setting up. I have trouble with knocking off a couple of bandits to enter a ship only to leave and find them there again. I'm adapting, slowly, but it isn't what I was hoping for.Scura di Notte - Altmer Nightblade (gear)
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✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »Why is it that I was able to play Skyrim on Xbox (no mods) for months and months on end after its release?
I took my time through my faction's quests, hurried a bit more through the Pact quests and despise the Covenant quests. Here I am at VR10, and logging on only to feed my horse and continue researching other crafting traits. Skyrim kept me entertained for almost a full year after release and the two add-ons (discounting Hearthfire) kept me interested for another couple months.
What made Skyrim so enjoyable for you and Elder Scrolls Online so stale?
You compare apples to cars. I do not say oranges because someone might say they are both fruit.
TESO is far better than Skyrim. Between Betas tried to play again Skyrim & Oblivion. And miserably failed to do so more than one hour. Who me, who spend more than 1K hours in Skyrim (according to steam).
(not counting countless hours on all previous ES games that I grew with since when I was a teenager)
The immersion of TESO cannot be captured with a single player game where you are on your own against scripted AI.Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on June 20, 2014 5:40PM0 -
Sindala✭✭✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »The immersion of TESO cannot be captured with a single player game where you are on your own against scripted AI.
Could have sworn ESO was a game where your on your own against scripted AI also
Being First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.2 -
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✭WhitePawPrints wrote: »Why is it that I was able to play Skyrim on Xbox (no mods) for months and months on end after its release?
I took my time through my faction's quests, hurried a bit more through the Pact quests and despise the Covenant quests. Here I am at VR10, and logging on only to feed my horse and continue researching other crafting traits. Skyrim kept me entertained for almost a full year after release and the two add-ons (discounting Hearthfire) kept me interested for another couple months.
What made Skyrim so enjoyable for you and Elder Scrolls Online so stale?
(Keep trolling to minimal please.) Edit: <- Apparently this is troll bait, and it certainly got a few bites.
Because, Skyrim, obviously, single-player RPG, where is only YOU are Hero.
ESO - MMO, you are just one from many players, nearly faceless dummy.
Do not forget about stupid Skyrim system where you can take every single perk at the same time and become a God. This is impossible in the MMO.- PC EU. Ebonheart Pact. CP 1k+
- YouTube: All ESO disguises (2014)
- EU players are humans too! We want our maintenances in the least pop time (at deep night) and not lasted for several hours!
- Animation canceR - is true PvP cancer! When you can't see which actions your opponent do - you can't react properly on them!
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Sindala✭✭✭✭✭Do not forget about stupid Skyrim system where you can take every single perk at the same time and become a God. This is impossible in the MMO.
Erm..no it's not. Istaria (was called Horizons way back) has the system where you can if you wish take every skill set to max, it just takes an obscene amount of time to achieve it (each one almost doubles the amount of time required). Oh and that game is now 14 years old AND has housing and arguably the best crafting system in any MMO ever done.Being First is not the prize, it just mean's everyone can stab you in the back.1 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Wow. Single player games are different than multi player games. Comparing them, especially with what has been compared here is a bit ridiculous.
"I could do what I wanted in Skyrim." Sure you are the only person there.
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SK1TZ0FR3N1K✭✭✭Serious question(and off-topic), is Skyrim the only Elder Scrolls game a majority of people know?
Edit for clarification: I always see Skyrim as the go to comparison of all the Elder Scrolls games, when being compared to this one.Edited by SK1TZ0FR3N1K on June 20, 2014 8:04PM“There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by readin’. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” -Will Rogers1 -
hk11✭✭✭✭vicviper0_ESO wrote: »i have a feeling that ESO is going to be crippled when Skywind is finished.
I checked on Skywind last night. Looks like it might be a while
. Wish I had some skills that could be of benefit to the development. 1 -
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Can't state anything for others, but IMO Skyrim was the most entertaining and immersive TES game I've played, and I've played them all.SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »Serious question(and off-topic), is Skyrim the only Elder Scrolls game a majority of people know?
Edit for clarification: I always see Skyrim as the go to comparison of all the Elder Scrolls games, when being compared to this one.
ESO just seems a step back from that immersion, and a step back isn't what many (if not most) anticipated.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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AinGeal✭✭✭
Can't state anything for others, but IMO Skyrim was the most entertaining and immersive TES game I've played, and I've played them all.SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »Serious question(and off-topic), is Skyrim the only Elder Scrolls game a majority of people know?
Edit for clarification: I always see Skyrim as the go to comparison of all the Elder Scrolls games, when being compared to this one.
ESO just seems a step back from that immersion, and a step back isn't what many (if not most) anticipated.
Aside from being the most entertaining and immersive, it's also the latest one.1 -
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Can't state anything for others, but IMO Skyrim was the most entertaining and immersive TES game I've played, and I've played them all.SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »Serious question(and off-topic), is Skyrim the only Elder Scrolls game a majority of people know?
Edit for clarification: I always see Skyrim as the go to comparison of all the Elder Scrolls games, when being compared to this one.
ESO just seems a step back from that immersion, and a step back isn't what many (if not most) anticipated.
I started way back with Arena, but I think Morrowind is what got me. I was also smoking a lot of dope at the time, but that was a wicked game at it's release. I have enjoyed the ones since, but not in the same way. I probably wont enjoy any of the future ones in the same way either.1 -
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✭DragonLane555 wrote: »I agree! A lot of people play the same Elder scrolls game for six months or more,and it's a single player game. That's what I really don't get about all the people who keep saying that MMO's can't survive if they are too much like single player games. I think that if any of the last three elder scrolls games had continual regular content updates people would still be playing them. I even think they might be willing to pay a subscription fee,I know I would.
With that said, it is incredibly ironic that the single player elder scrolls games are able to hold people's attention for far longer than the elder scrolls MMO has.
You maybe, but I couldn't play skyrim for longer then 10 minutes without wanting to pull my hair out because of boredom. I like mmos and guilds and people that I do things with and coordinate.
I really like this game and all the people I play with do as well. The people that don't come here to say they don't like it. Most of the people that like ESO are actually playing it, not wasting their time here telling people they don't like it.
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TheVindelator✭✭✭In Skyrim, I was always asking myself, "What should I do next?"
In ESO, it's usually running to the next quest marker.
ESO's really fun for me, but Skyrim's better.1 -
Flynch✭✭✭✭Some people prefer single-player games.
Some people prefer MMOs.
Some people just like to play both.
Take your pick.
I'll take Oblivion or Morrowind over Skyrim any day. But that's my precedence. So the individual genres have subjective opinions in them as well.
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✭And some MMOs (like this one) are single-player games.
Sorry, but you left yourself open to it. Crotchety Old Man Guild
"Hey you, get off my lawn!"0 -
Muletide✭✭✭I put Skyrim in the other day and was completely bored within a few minutes after my time in ESO. 1 map, no social aspects, combat was un-exciting, crafting felt very minimal, and my character just seemed vanilla in the way of skills/abilities. Housing is ok, but not a game breaker for me. I don't play a game to sit inside my house... while sitting inside my house.0 -
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✭Skyrim doesn't have Cyrodiil PvP, gg. ESO wins!Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The only thing I really found Skyrim did better than ESO does was immersion. ESO's world feels really static and slightly cartoony by comparison.
Aside from that, ESO > Skyrim for me. Vanilla Skyrim did not enthrall me; I resorted to mods to make it interesting.
Oblivion, on the other hand, was excellent to the point that when ESO is down for maintenance or my internet cuts out it is still my go-to game.
I like ESO's combat set up and character building a bit more than Oblivion, but in all other regards I fall deeper into Nirn through Oblivion."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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SK1TZ0FR3N1K✭✭✭And some MMOs (like this one) are single-player games.
Sorry, but you left yourself open to it.
Yes but you left yourself open for the fact that for the last 2 years, Matt Firor has been saying the main quests of this game WILL be single player. If you didn't want that, why buy it? It was never meant to be anything else but single player hero with multiplayer on the side, and some PvP thrown in.“There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by readin’. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” -Will Rogers1