Skyrim > ESO

nastuug

Sallington wrote: »

They tried to create a single player game to attract the Skyrim crowd, and an MMO to attract the MMO crowd.

They failed and made a crappy version of both. And the next single player ES game will be ever worse. With all the dumbing-down and hand holding in Skyrim, they will just make it easier and easier and more streamlined.

BRB, loading up Morrowind again.

Quickly, it's still on sale on STEAM for the next three (3) hours!

c0rp

Hey look a guy comparing single player games to MMOs! Think I'll head down to the Ford dealership and drive a Ford F-150, then drive a Ford Fiesta to see which one is "better". Pretty ridiculous huh?

nastuug

c0rp wrote: »

Hey look a guy comparing single player games to MMOs! Think I'll head down to the Ford dealership and drive a Ford F-150, then drive a Ford Fiesta to see which one is "better". Pretty ridiculous huh?

Idk, they both have four wheels and get you from Point A to Point B. One can tow and the other gets better gas mileage, yet they both aim to serve for the same purpose...

technohic

You are going to get comparisons when you build an MMO and aim it at people who loved Skyrim or other TES games rather than aiming it at MMO fans with just having TES lore.


You can't please everyone and when you try, you please no one.

nimander99

Comparing Skyrim to ESO is lame... it's like comparing FIFA to GTA5, it makes no sense!

Now if you were, to say, compare ESO to WoW, Wildstar, Aion, ff14, Neverwinter, Guild Wars 2 etc etc. Then that comparison would make sense.

I'm so tired of the non-sense threads

markt84

These are completely different games. And you made it to VR10, I'm guessing you played the hell out of eso by now....I mean 200 hours plus. It's normal to get a little tired of a game after that long

nastuug

markt84 wrote: »

These are completely different games. And you made it to VR10, I'm guessing you played the hell out of eso by now....I mean 200 hours plus. It's normal to get a little tired of a game after that long

It doesn't take 200 hours to get to VR10 lol.

Shunravi

Leave this thread alone!



It was rotting nicely back in June of last year, it should have stayed that way.

Zorrashi

Why Skyrim>ESO?

Well first and foremost is obvious, despite being a TES game too, it is also an MMO. As such, certain additions that compromised the typical solo/"real tes" experience had to be made but primary among them are things like the leveling system. In Skyrim you still had levels, but at the same time the world itself leveled to your level. ESO has strict leveled zones, each one distinctly having a set level for the mobs within. That alone curtails a great amount of freelance adventuring and exploration and instead the game forces you on a pre-laid rail that feels kind of restrictive.

However, it is important to note that despite that difference, ESO still retains many solo-friendly/TES-like experiences. Some of which are at the expense of typical MMO features. The fact that any class can use any weapon or armor type is a prime example, and many simply do not feel that there is a need for the holy trinity in this game. Their quests are far more intriguing than the typical "collect X amount of Y items from Z mob" quests that nearly every other MMO has you do. The fact that this game does not rely on grinding as a way to level (in the first 50 levels at least) is significant step away from 'traditional' MMO values. Combined with the fact that a great amount of this game is able to be soloed instead of force-grouping you and you will find that ESO is a rather unique hybrid of the two genres.

ESO is not perfect, but it has become a great game (imo) that currently contains a healthy balance of both MMO and TES aspects.

Faulgor

Sallington wrote: »

They tried to create a single player game to attract the Skyrim crowd, and an MMO to attract the MMO crowd.

They failed and made a crappy version of both. And the next single player ES game will be ever worse. With all the dumbing-down and hand holding in Skyrim, they will just make it easier and easier and more streamlined.

BRB, loading up Morrowind again.

Considering how disappointed I was with Skyrim as a TES game, for a long time I thought ESO was better.
But after the recent B2P debacle, I'll have to agree with this assessment. Whilte it's not very useful to compare single to multiplayer games directly, you can compare how they hold up as high quality games in their own right, and it's just no competition here. ESO, in its fundamentals, is just not a good MMO. And as a single player game it shouldn't even try to compete.

Morrowind >>> Skyrim >> Oblivion > ESO

But I'm looking forward to see what changes Bethesda made in Fallout 4. They seem to have added a lot of features, so TES 6 could profit from this and rise from the dumbing-down since Morrowind.

FoolWitDaSnoW

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Why is it that I was able to play Skyrim on Xbox (no mods) for months and months on end after its release?

I took my time through my faction's quests, hurried a bit more through the Pact quests and despise the Covenant quests. Here I am at VR10, and logging on only to feed my horse and continue researching other crafting traits. Skyrim kept me entertained for almost a full year after release and the two add-ons (discounting Hearthfire) kept me interested for another couple months.

What made Skyrim so enjoyable for you and Elder Scrolls Online so stale?

(Keep trolling to minimal please.) Edit: <- Apparently this is troll bait, and it certainly got a few bites.

Is this real life?

This is a MMO, Skyrim was a single player game. Why arent they the same?

Apples are good, Oranges are gross, they are both round, how can this be???

nastuug

FoolWitDaSnoW wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Why is it that I was able to play Skyrim on Xbox (no mods) for months and months on end after its release?

I took my time through my faction's quests, hurried a bit more through the Pact quests and despise the Covenant quests. Here I am at VR10, and logging on only to feed my horse and continue researching other crafting traits. Skyrim kept me entertained for almost a full year after release and the two add-ons (discounting Hearthfire) kept me interested for another couple months.

What made Skyrim so enjoyable for you and Elder Scrolls Online so stale?

(Keep trolling to minimal please.) Edit: <- Apparently this is troll bait, and it certainly got a few bites.

Is this real life?

This is a MMO, Skyrim was a single player game. Why arent they the same?

Apples are good, Oranges are gross, they are both round, how can this be???

Because the game was in development during the same time Skyrim was with the sole intent on siphoning the TES single-player crowd for their derpy MMO that nobody asked for. The fact that they developed and advertised the game under the TES franchise alone allows for direct comparison of the games.

Robbmrp

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Ok 1) Skyrim is single Player Game. ESO is an MMO. Skyrim had no real rules and didn't have to try to please thousands of people on at once, meaning your fun in Skyrim will not get in the way of anyone else. 2) ESO has nothing to do with Skyrim because Skyrim started production about 2 years after ESO. 3.) An MMO keeps adding content for up to 10 years after release Single Player games only add DLC for 6 months to a year. 4) Why isn't Battelfied 4 more Like GTA V? I mean they both have guns so they should be exactly the same right?

IMO this is why ESO isn't the number one MMO to date. If they had taken the Skryim Game design/graphics, expanded the map for the ESO Zones, made the delves instanced like Skyrim dungeons, added in Multiplayer and PVP, @ZOS would have over 15+ million subscriptions and would have easily been the top MMO.

I would drop ESO in a heartbeat for that game.....

Sallington

Robbmrp wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Ok 1) Skyrim is single Player Game. ESO is an MMO. Skyrim had no real rules and didn't have to try to please thousands of people on at once, meaning your fun in Skyrim will not get in the way of anyone else. 2) ESO has nothing to do with Skyrim because Skyrim started production about 2 years after ESO. 3.) An MMO keeps adding content for up to 10 years after release Single Player games only add DLC for 6 months to a year. 4) Why isn't Battelfied 4 more Like GTA V? I mean they both have guns so they should be exactly the same right?

IMO this is why ESO isn't the number one MMO to date. If they had taken the Skryim Game design/graphics, expanded the map for the ESO Zones, made the delves instanced like Skyrim dungeons, added in Multiplayer and PVP, @ZOS would have over 15+ million subscriptions and would have easily been the top MMO.

I would drop ESO in a heartbeat for that game.....

That's what a lot of people were expecting, Skyrim with friends. Then, it turned out that they tried to be an MMO and Skyrim with friends at the same time. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad choice.

nastuug

Robbmrp wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Ok 1) Skyrim is single Player Game. ESO is an MMO. Skyrim had no real rules and didn't have to try to please thousands of people on at once, meaning your fun in Skyrim will not get in the way of anyone else. 2) ESO has nothing to do with Skyrim because Skyrim started production about 2 years after ESO. 3.) An MMO keeps adding content for up to 10 years after release Single Player games only add DLC for 6 months to a year. 4) Why isn't Battelfied 4 more Like GTA V? I mean they both have guns so they should be exactly the same right?

IMO this is why ESO isn't the number one MMO to date. If they had taken the Skryim Game design/graphics, expanded the map for the ESO Zones, made the delves instanced like Skyrim dungeons, added in Multiplayer and PVP, @ZOS would have over 15+ million subscriptions and would have easily been the top MMO.

I would drop ESO in a heartbeat for that game.....

They would except for the fact that they purchased an outdated gaming engine for ESO production in 2007...

DenMoria

I like that mudcrabs don't automatically attack you in TESO and that, apparently 99% of the players around me are on crack.

Slow down guys! You don't need to ride your horse/tiger/weird blobby thing on stilt legs in to the house! Stop! You're gonna track dirt on the floors!

And can we talk about the players that either 1) hump my character for hours on end and won't even introduce themselves or 2) Attempt to kill me over and over and over (I'm assuming I die on their end 'cause they're just annoying on my end).

While I agree that, at this point, I prefer a one-player game (i.e. Skyrim DA series, DD:DA, Witcher, etc..) in this genre, I've only been playing TESO about a week and have yet to figure out the MMO part of it.

The graphics remind me more of Oblivion than Skyrim, but, then again, I've really not been very many places. I will say that the deserts of Stros Makai (sic) are pretty cool.

And again, than you Beth for not making every wild animal out to kill you CONSTANTLY! Bears don't bother me, mudcrabs aren't a problem, etc... Thank you!

GreySix

Wow, who dug up this relic of a thread?

Robbmrp

nastuug wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Ok 1) Skyrim is single Player Game. ESO is an MMO. Skyrim had no real rules and didn't have to try to please thousands of people on at once, meaning your fun in Skyrim will not get in the way of anyone else. 2) ESO has nothing to do with Skyrim because Skyrim started production about 2 years after ESO. 3.) An MMO keeps adding content for up to 10 years after release Single Player games only add DLC for 6 months to a year. 4) Why isn't Battelfied 4 more Like GTA V? I mean they both have guns so they should be exactly the same right?

IMO this is why ESO isn't the number one MMO to date. If they had taken the Skryim Game design/graphics, expanded the map for the ESO Zones, made the delves instanced like Skyrim dungeons, added in Multiplayer and PVP, @ZOS would have over 15+ million subscriptions and would have easily been the top MMO.

I would drop ESO in a heartbeat for that game.....

They would except for the fact that they purchased an outdated gaming engine for ESO production in 2007...

Didn't they create a new game engine from that though which is what ESO is running on? I thought I had read someplace where they built a new one for it, which IMO was a very bad choice.

nastuug

GreySix wrote: »

Wow, who dug up this relic of a thread?

--eyeballs @ElricFrancis--

Robbmrp wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Ok 1) Skyrim is single Player Game. ESO is an MMO. Skyrim had no real rules and didn't have to try to please thousands of people on at once, meaning your fun in Skyrim will not get in the way of anyone else. 2) ESO has nothing to do with Skyrim because Skyrim started production about 2 years after ESO. 3.) An MMO keeps adding content for up to 10 years after release Single Player games only add DLC for 6 months to a year. 4) Why isn't Battelfied 4 more Like GTA V? I mean they both have guns so they should be exactly the same right?

IMO this is why ESO isn't the number one MMO to date. If they had taken the Skryim Game design/graphics, expanded the map for the ESO Zones, made the delves instanced like Skyrim dungeons, added in Multiplayer and PVP, @ZOS would have over 15+ million subscriptions and would have easily been the top MMO.

I would drop ESO in a heartbeat for that game.....

They would except for the fact that they purchased an outdated gaming engine for ESO production in 2007...

Didn't they create a new game engine from that though which is what ESO is running on? I thought I had read someplace where they built a new one for it, which IMO was a very bad choice.

No. They released a statement saying that they are using a modified version of the HeroEngine, which was originally purchased in 2007 for production.

marcmyb14_ESO

Comparing an MMO to a single player game is silly, but I will say that ESO fell short on many many things even for an MMO, especially one that tries to take place in The Elder Scrolls universe. Most delves feel copy/pasted which you run through just to get a skyshard, there's no real sense of exploration. Even the delves in Rift/Eastmarch look nothing like the same ones did in Skyrim the game. Animations just feel "off" and cartoony.

The leveling system fell short when they decided to make questing the best way to level up (and nerf grindspots every chance they get). They could have done leveling similar to Skyrim in that you level by leveling your skills/skill lines, but I suppose that would have required a deeper and more dynamic class/skill system than what is in the game, or possibly what would work for an MMO

Graphically the game is fine (though it badly needs SweetFX to be brighter and more vibrant), but there are little annoyances such as flora turning with the camera and pop-in at a very short distance. I think Skyrim was also more immersive because of sounds and music. I find it annoying that I hear the same music in Stonefalls as I do in Craglorn and Cyrodiil. I hear the same music whether I'm fighting a trial boss or a lvl 3 Dolmen (which is an awesome track btw, but just shouldn't be recycled so much).

As for story, I think it was a bad decision to end the main story at lvl ~50. Most MMOs keep a main story going with updates at least until the next expansion. ESO nixed that right off the bat, and I don't know how they'll fix it.

Perhaps bring in another Daedric prince or bring back Molag Bal (which would be pretty boring and lame tbh).

Questing in ESO doesn't feel anything like it did in Skyrim either, I never cared about the NPCs or why I'm doing what I'm doing for them, but maybe that's just because it's an MMO, I don't really know.

All in all, there's just a lot of things they could have done better, but a lot of it also has to do with the fact that it's an MMO and there are certain mechanics and limitations that will always ruin kind of immersion you get from an SP game.

Pallmor

I'm sorry, when you said "best Elder Scrolls game" I naturally assumed you were talking about Morrowind.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

For a moment I had to look twice to make sure I do not suffer from dementia, seeing my post on the previous page.

However after more than a year I would say
ESO > Skyrim.

For 3 reasons.

a) Is bigger (if you do not rush the content like possible the OP did). There are more hours of PVE in ESO than Skyrim with every mods and DLC.
Cyrodiil alone is bigger than damn Oblivion, if you decide to do the delves and quests. And Oblivion was bigger in size than Skyrim (says it all)

b) Is multiplayer. So you are not alone in your bedroom. (hence is stupid to compare Skyrim to an MMORPG).

c) Has PVP.

nastuug

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

For a moment I had to look twice to make sure I do not suffer from dementia, seeing my post on the previous page.

However after more than a year I would say
ESO > Skyrim.

For 3 reasons.

a) Is bigger (if you do not rush the content like possible the OP did). There are more hours of PVE in ESO than Skyrim with every mods and DLC.
Cyrodiil alone is bigger than damn Oblivion, if you decide to do the delves and quests. And Oblivion was bigger in size than Skyrim (says it all)

b) Is multiplayer. So you are not alone in your bedroom. (hence is stupid to compare Skyrim to an MMORPG).

c) Has PVP.

a) lolwut
b) lolwut
c) lolwut

Athas24

When I was a kid and I bought Mario Paint I was hoping it would be more like Mario Brothers 3. . . It was disappointing.... but I mean I was like 10-12? lol I feel like this is what happened to people who compare eso to skyrim.

GreySix

Pallmor wrote: »

I'm sorry, when you said "best Elder Scrolls game" I naturally assumed you were talking about Morrowind.

That game bored me to tears. Couldn't finish any of the major quests, since I had to read novellas on a small screen (MBP) and walk absolutely everywhere. Know it was a limitation of the game engine and the graphics, but everything looked terribly bland and repetitive.

Woolenthreads

Shunravi wrote: »

All these thread necros make me feel so sad these discussions are still going on.

I thinks it's an effect of adding new players on different systems to the forums.

eder3479b14_ESO

The big difference is we cant mod it to make the game 100x better. Vanilla skyrim is meh, the magic system bothered me a lot considering how weak it was.

leepalmer95

Skyrim

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> Single player rpg
Eso

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> MMORPG


There not even the same type of game. So people need to stop comparing them.

Why do some people think it's easy to make a huge game like the elder scrolls series into a mmorpg, theres different zones so things will actually load and won't lag. Have you tried Pvp, when there's that many people in one place the game becomes unplayable.

Having one big map will require some impressive software to be able to support it, tens of thousand of players on map would be impossible.

Lionxoft

@WhitePawPrints


It's because Zenimax Online Studios developed this MMO to be a one dimensional theme park with a very linear progression. Skyrim was very sand box and exploration oriented. You were never forced to do any quests and actual exploration led to ultra cool loot and rewards. In ESO, if you find a special chest or loot it's usually just vendor garbage or decon fodder.

ESO is not even an eighth of what Skyrim and Oblivion are. ESO is just another saturated attempt to cash in on a highly marketable IP. It's pathetic that Bethesda chose to (expletive) out an IP that many of us considered sacred in order to make a quick cash grab.

Lionxoft

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

For a moment I had to look twice to make sure I do not suffer from dementia, seeing my post on the previous page.

However after more than a year I would say
ESO > Skyrim.

For 3 reasons.

a) Is bigger (if you do not rush the content like possible the OP did). There are more hours of PVE in ESO than Skyrim with every mods and DLC.
Cyrodiil alone is bigger than damn Oblivion, if you decide to do the delves and quests. And Oblivion was bigger in size than Skyrim (says it all)

b) Is multiplayer. So you are not alone in your bedroom. (hence is stupid to compare Skyrim to an MMORPG).

c) Has PVP.

@p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Sorry but my 3,000+* hours in Skyrim will beg to differ. I was finished with what ESO had to offer within a few months yet there's still a ton left to do in Skyrim. Hell, I probably haven't even fully completed vanilla Skyrim. There's probably something hidden I missed.

*Only because my steam counter reset