can we please have an open world PvP server now?

ebondeath · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

maybe thats why all the campaigns are near empty and only 2 of them have full and locked.
look, i do apreciate your comments, (not really cause most of them are a bit insulting and just not true to facts) but the real reason i made this thread was just a request for something that isnt asking alot. if you dont like this type of thing then simply dont join in and simply dont go to that server. you loose nothing and nothing was forced on you.

You really think that creating a whole new server, which will cost money to create and maintain and divert resources from existing problems such as bugs and class balance, is not asking a lot?

It's not that I think that a PvP server is the worst idea ever, but I don't think it will ever be workable with the megaserver setup they've got. The image I get is of a three person family living in a giant 4 story mansion.

Gilvoth · June 2014

ebondeath wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

maybe thats why all the campaigns are near empty and only 2 of them have full and locked.
look, i do apreciate your comments, (not really cause most of them are a bit insulting and just not true to facts) but the real reason i made this thread was just a request for something that isnt asking alot. if you dont like this type of thing then simply dont join in and simply dont go to that server. you loose nothing and nothing was forced on you.

part 1) You really think that creating a whole new server, which will cost money to create and maintain and divert resources from existing problems such as bugs and class balance, is not asking a lot?

part 2) It's not that I think that a PvP server is the worst idea ever, but I don't think it will ever be workable with the megaserver setup they've got. The image I get is of a three person family living in a giant 4 story mansion.

part 1) my answer: Yes, i do.

part 2) my answer: me, my wife, and her sister. your visions of my home life are accurate and a bit off topic.

Tabbycat · June 2014

Your best bet is to make a poll asking players if they want an Open-World PvP server. You'd need the options, Yes, No, Maybe, I don't care and Other.

If ZOS see the actual demand for it is high enough (vote totals), they might consider it. But if the interest is low, don't hold your breath.

ebondeath · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

ebondeath wrote: »

Hlaren_shortshth e eath wrote: »

maybe thats why all the campaigns are near empty and only 2 of them have full and locked.
look, i do apreciate your comments, (not really cause most of them are a bit insulting and just not true to facts) but the real reason i made this thread was just a request for something that isnt asking alot. if you dont like this type of thing then simply dont join in and simply dont go to that server. you loose nothing and nothing was forced on you.

You really think that creating a whole new server, which will cost money to create and maintain and divert resources from existing problems such as bugs and class balance, is not asking a lot?

my answer: Yes, i do.

It's not that I think that a PvP server is the worst idea ever, but I don't think it will ever be workable with the megaserver setup they've got. The image I get is of a three person family living in a giant 4 story mansion.

my answer: me, my wife, and her sister. your visions of my home life are accurate and a bit off topic.

Lol, my comment had nothing to do with yout home life. I was making an analogy about the population of a PvP megaserver.

Gilvoth · June 2014

Tabbycat wrote: »

Your best bet is to make a poll asking players if they want an Open-World PvP server. You'd need the options, Yes, No, Maybe, I don't care and Other.

If ZOS see the actual demand for it is high enough (vote totals), they might consider it. But if the interest is low, don't hold your breath.

that poll would be inacurate as many people who are subscribed to eso do not visit these forums.
a more accurate poll would be to send email to each subscriber asking if they wish for this server to exist and if they would like to have it and play on it.

dennissomb16_ESO · June 2014

In this particular game design, I simply don't get the request for "Open PvP Server". You have Cyrodil where you can large group PvP, small group PvP, solo roam, siege, defend, you name it. And for that special type of player who likes to gank people doing PvE you can even go into the multitude of PvE dungeons out in Cyrodil for ganking.

So what does this "open world" pvp give you that is not available already. My biggest objection is the resources required from Zenimax to create an open world pvp server. Despite what is often said, the resource drain would be significant.

Finally the best reason I can think of against it came from DAOC itself (dark age of Camelot for those that never played) A very similar situation where players had large scale PvP and asked for an open world PvP server. This was a game designed more for PvP then ESO. They opened the server, population spiked, they opened a second server, and a few months later both servers were completely empty. Total waste of resource.

Gilvoth · June 2014

its what i have allways played in. cryodiil is not an open world pvp server.
when i go to those pve areas i stay in sneak for about 15 - 20 minutes before i realize it's not pvp in those areas and realy disturbs me and i have to leave that area. im only comfortable in a pvp enviroment.

Zubba · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

those of us who prefer and cannot live without an open world PvP server have waited and been silent about this since launch. but i know for me and many others that were here during beta and long even before beta started, have been asking for TESO, (eso), elderscrolls online to allow an open world PvP server for those of us who want to play that way. i requested it for almost 2 years on the only forum we could make our voice heard IE: the bethesda forums, as well as on eso facebook, and also thier eso twitter before eso even launched.
now that the general population has had thier fun and playtime and are WELL into veteran levels, how about allowing us open world PvP lovers. to have our own server.

please

You have my vote on this. Also add pvp loot drops for some risk vs reward.

Zubba · June 2014

Asawasa wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

this is really important to me and i know many others share the same belief. just because the EU server is having trouble has no berring on nor any effect on making a pvp server. pvp server is a must for me.

no you are a part of a very small minority. AND this has been posted well before release. no open world pvp server is gonna happen for the forseeable future. go play something else most likely a FPS game if you want that kind of thing.

This request has nothing to do with an fps game. There are other mmorpg/mmo who have done this and lots of people enjoy it. It would not affect people who dont like it since they would not play on that server. So dont ask people do go play something else.

Hiply · June 2014

Ragekniv wrote: »

No newbie safety zones, smoke newbies for fun!

Make players lootable, one item not bound and all coin! I miss breaking piggy banks!

Allow corpse camping!

Learn to train mobs into players!

Heal and buff the mobs they're fighting!

Loot their kills after they die to mob train!

Thank you for this advertisement about why we should not go down this road, well done.

dennissomb16_ESO · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

its what i have allways played in. cryodiil is not an open world pvp server.
when i go to those pve areas i stay in sneak for about 15 - 20 minutes before i realize it's not pvp in those areas and realy disturbs me and i have to leave that area. im only comfortable in a pvp enviroment.

You will have to explain this better for me to understand. All of Cryodill is open PvP. The PvE dungeon parts allow PvP. What is "not PvP" about it? matter of fact all of Cryodill is a PvP environment. What exactly is it you are looking for in this open pvp environment that you are looking for? Also what game did you come from that had the PvP you seem to want?

Lodestar · June 2014

Zubba wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

those of us who prefer and cannot live without an open world PvP server have waited and been silent about this since launch. but i know for me and many others that were here during beta and long even before beta started, have been asking for TESO, (eso), elderscrolls online to allow an open world PvP server for those of us who want to play that way. i requested it for almost 2 years on the only forum we could make our voice heard IE: the bethesda forums, as well as on eso facebook, and also thier eso twitter before eso even launched.
now that the general population has had thier fun and playtime and are WELL into veteran levels, how about allowing us open world PvP lovers. to have our own server.

please

You have my vote on this. Also add pvp loot drops for some risk vs reward.

Yes. And then you can have players go into combat with substandard gear and no armour so they can get around it like they did in Shadowbane and many others. And then the devs will really be able to justify the time and resources diverted to this.

Hiply · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Wintersage wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

those of us who prefer and cannot live without an open world PvP server have waited and been silent

QFT.

He's now passed on. All because no open world PVP. We need to shine more light on tragedies like this and do all we can to keep people from dying so needlessly in the future.

Enkil wrote: »

I'd be happy with some contested, open world 50+ pvp zones being carved out of the blank area on the map..

Now this could be fun. Were you thinking along the same lines as Cyrodiil? Like, if your guild/alliance controls so many/all you get special bonuses or something? Or the leader gets a new skill line?

i did not pass on, nor did i DIE like you mentioned. this is a real request from a real person.

A real person who said he could not live without a PvP server...in a game. Did you not get the satire?

Alves · June 2014

I think only the "Pro PvP Gamers" would join these Server - the most players prefer only Cyrodiil as an "open World PvP Zone" (i think thats 80% or more)... So the Idea have no Chance...

Zubba · June 2014

Lodestar wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

those of us who prefer and cannot live without an open world PvP server have waited and been silent about this since launch. but i know for me and many others that were here during beta and long even before beta started, have been asking for TESO, (eso), elderscrolls online to allow an open world PvP server for those of us who want to play that way. i requested it for almost 2 years on the only forum we could make our voice heard IE: the bethesda forums, as well as on eso facebook, and also thier eso twitter before eso even launched.
now that the general population has had thier fun and playtime and are WELL into veteran levels, how about allowing us open world PvP lovers. to have our own server.

please

You have my vote on this. Also add pvp loot drops for some risk vs reward.

Yes. And then you can have players go into combat with substandard gear and no armour so they can get around it like they did in Shadowbane and many others. And then the devs will really be able to justify the time and resources diverted to this.

And?

Lodestar · June 2014

Zubba wrote: »

Lodestar wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

those of us who prefer and cannot live without an open world PvP server have waited and been silent about this since launch. but i know for me and many others that were here during beta and long even before beta started, have been asking for TESO, (eso), elderscrolls online to allow an open world PvP server for those of us who want to play that way. i requested it for almost 2 years on the only forum we could make our voice heard IE: the bethesda forums, as well as on eso facebook, and also thier eso twitter before eso even launched.
now that the general population has had thier fun and playtime and are WELL into veteran levels, how about allowing us open world PvP lovers. to have our own server.

please

You have my vote on this. Also add pvp loot drops for some risk vs reward.

Yes. And then you can have players go into combat with substandard gear and no armour so they can get around it like they did in Shadowbane and many others. And then the devs will really be able to justify the time and resources diverted to this.

And?

And, so why bother with loot if no one will bother carrying anything? Shadowbane failed in part because of this.

Zubba · June 2014

If the gear actually makes a difference, anyone using it will be stronger. Then when people die because of it. They will try better gear. And you dont have to lose Everything equipped. 1-2 items per Death works too.

You dont see people flying ships with cheap stuff in eve online even though you lose Everything. In fact, you will find people using very expencive gear wich took them months to achieve.

Lodestar · June 2014

Zubba wrote: »

If the gear actually makes a difference, anyone using it will be stronger. Then when people die because of it. They will try better gear. And you dont have to lose Everything equipped. 1-2 items per Death works too.

You dont see people flying ships with cheap stuff in eve online even though you lose Everything. In fact, you will find people using very expencive gear wich took them months to achieve.

So your telling me that this did not happen in Shadowbane? Ok then.

Hamfast · June 2014

Chatoyancy wrote: »

Plot-wise, would this even make sense? In the current PvE areas, the other players are in your alliance. Why would you want to kill them?

This would be the new 4th Alliance, the ePeeners, they, like many of us can start in any alliance with any race, they live to abuse others, mostly the weaker folks who are still learning the controls and really don't have a chance...

The ePeeners is the logical extension of all the NPC foe groups, Veiled Heritance in the AD, Vox'x group in Deshaan, I am sure their are others... people who's whole goal is to ruin civilization as we know it...

It would be so much fun walking out of Vokhel Guard for the first time only to be jumped by an ePeener Ganksquad, and sent back to the Way Shrine only to be ganked again...

An ePeener DK could snag someone and drag them into the center of the Gank Squad for a sound drubbing...

I can also imagine the Motif that should be used for all their weapons...

Excuse me while I contemplate this... and decide how many seconds I would keep my subscription if it were to come to be...

Gilvoth · June 2014

morrowind expansion would be perfect for me to be considered the pvp area. if thats what u mean by 4th alliance.

Zubba · June 2014

Lodestar wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

If the gear actually makes a difference, anyone using it will be stronger. Then when people die because of it. They will try better gear. And you dont have to lose Everything equipped. 1-2 items per Death works too.

You dont see people flying ships with cheap stuff in eve online even though you lose Everything. In fact, you will find people using very expencive gear wich took them months to achieve.

So your telling me that this did not happen in Shadowbane? Ok then.

Want me to repeat?

Riptide · June 2014

I'm not sure why I even bother to respond to these sorts of threads, but I'm a slow learner, I guess.

It was requested way back in the closed beta (along with a whole host of things that didn't make it into the game, but hey)....at this point, I have to agree with the majority of folks - it is a non starter as far as a separate server. And really, you have to work to your differentiators - ESO has a megaserver setup. Ideally EU and NA would merge, etc.

But there is a way to accomplish what we want. It isn't that difficult. Allow us to flag for PVP - and most importantly....properly incentivize flagging yourself. That is key, or practically noone will flag themselves.

It isn't difficult to come up with ideas for incentives.

1. XP bonuses
2. Mounts
3. Clothes
4. etc etc etc

But my take? They'll probably save any kinds of ideas like these for a Dark Brotherhood expansion. Which is a bad idea, as Dark Brotherhood stuff would really thrive on top of such a system as I am loosely proposing.

Instead what they'll probably bring into play will be some lame bounty system for Dark Brotherhood, or a version of what I'm talking about - but it will have no established "player base" to work with and be a flash in the pan novelty. I'm sorry to sound cynical, but thats how it will likely play out. Budgets, putting potential ROI to ideas and etc etc is how it seems to work in all these situations.

Heres the rub though. For PVP to be truly engrossing, for a world to seem truly dangerous...it has to put you on the balls of your feet. You have to have the ability to be *surprised*. That isn't for everyone. But going into a PVP only zone and leaving it out of the vast expanse of world is a waste. It just is. And there are lots of ways to take advantage of it that would work.

Anyway, rambling.

Lodestar · June 2014

Zubba wrote: »

Lodestar wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

If the gear actually makes a difference, anyone using it will be stronger. Then when people die because of it. They will try better gear. And you dont have to lose Everything equipped. 1-2 items per Death works too.

You dont see people flying ships with cheap stuff in eve online even though you lose Everything. In fact, you will find people using very expencive gear wich took them months to achieve.

So your telling me that this did not happen in Shadowbane? Ok then.

Want me to repeat?

What that you don't believe what I described happened in the Open world full loot PvP game Shadowbane? Because it actually did.

Xnemesis · June 2014

No and if they do add in any additional pvp I should offer diddly squat for rewards and no gear drops or special tokens whatnot.

Heishi · June 2014

I love OP's mention of they've been silent about this since launch. XD

The chances of them creating a whole server for open world PvP is null. The megaserver is their big gimmick. That's not going to change because some people feel like the huge space available in Cyrodil is enough.

Open world PvP makes no sense at all to the lore/story of the game. This horse has been repeatedly beaten with a nail bat.

If you want open world PvP WoW has plenty of servers for it. With their declining population there's plenty of room. There are a lot of others really. Here, I googled it and found a nice list full of games with OWPvP.

onrpg.com/boards/threads/208191-The-Big-PVP-Category-List

Many games it makes sense to have open world PvP. Those games usually have overlapping enemy territories where skirmishes would break out and one alliance can get to the other's territory. Unfortunately in ESO, you can't get to other alliances territory. VR Doesn't count because

VR is Meridia essentially rebirthing you in the new alliance. You are "experiencing" what it would be like had you came to that alliance.

Being that you're military involved in any alliance, it would be treason. I could even see 1v1 "sparring" before I see this being allowed to happen.

Gisgo · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

morrowind expansion would be perfect for me to be considered the pvp area. if thats what u mean by 4th alliance.

You dont even know what "Morrowind" is, how can we take anything you say seriously?

Zubba · June 2014

Lodestar wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

Lodestar wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

If the gear actually makes a difference, anyone using it will be stronger. Then when people die because of it. They will try better gear. And you dont have to lose Everything equipped. 1-2 items per Death works too.

You dont see people flying ships with cheap stuff in eve online even though you lose Everything. In fact, you will find people using very expencive gear wich took them months to achieve.

So your telling me that this did not happen in Shadowbane? Ok then.

Want me to repeat?

What that you don't believe what I described happened in the Open world full loot PvP game Shadowbane? Because it actually did.

That was shadowbane. It does not have to happend here to. Many games di this with success, AND many players enjoy this. Also if you dont like it, dont join.

Gisgo · June 2014

Zubba wrote: »

Many games di this with success, AND many players enjoy this. Also if you dont like it, dont join.

This doesnt mean every game has to be the same.

"If you dont like it, dont join" is something you should have told yourself before buying this game.

Go play Archage, and im not being ironic or polemic, i really mean it, it has what you are looking for.

Zubba · June 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

Many games di this with success, AND many players enjoy this. Also if you dont like it, dont join.

This doesnt mean every game has to be the same.

"If you dont like it, dont join" is something you should have told yourself before buying this game.

Go play Archage, and im not being ironic or polemic, i really mean it, it has what you are looking for.

Like this? "don't ever ask for anything thats not in the game already"

This thread is not a war between people who wants open World pvp and those who dont. This is suggestions from people who asks for a server offering this for those who wants. One part is not destroying for the other.

Gisgo · June 2014

No its more like dont ask for something that doesnt make sense and expect the DEVs to do it.