game is dying already?

Ragnar_Lodbrok · June 2014

Pele wrote: »

Theosis wrote: »

It is so silly to think that the game is going down in flames. Has nobody put in the thought that us casuals take time to enjoy the game? I only just recently reached V1 and I see plenty of people. I have to hurry often to reach world bosses and then wait with others to do the beat down that are waiting with me as they didn't get to the world boss as I have.

What faction and server are you? Perhaps I should join yours. Please come back and tell us how the population is when you reach the upper vet zones.

Lol as if there are different servers. I know the game is dying, just go to the starter areas, near empty.

Inzababa · June 2014

Morticielle wrote: »

Seroczynski wrote: »

I haven't noticed yet. Guild which consist of 500 people will always have 80% of their people offline.

Sadly I have to contradict you on this one. I'm one of the founders of an trading guild, which shortly after foundation was full (500 members). 4 weeks back there were in the evening hours around 120 to 150 of them online, now it's hardly 80 although I removed lots of inactive members and recruited new ones. And two other trading guilds I'm with show the same decrease in activity.

The number of players in Cyrodiil did decrease noticeable too. 4 to 6 weeks back you had 3 or 4 large sieges at the same time, now it is only 1 or 2 and that with decreased numbers of players in each battle.

I don't say that TESO is dying or even dead, but I say that number of players has taken a big hit, which is noticeable, if one isn't ignoring it. The game has lost lots of players due to too much bugs. ZoS has to be faster and more effective in debugging the game if they want to stop the exodus of players. We are now in the phase were players will leave the game not because of too much bugs, but simply because so many others have left and they get the feeling of being on a sinking ship. ZoS has to show them that they are doing a good job in debugging and balancing - but this has not happened yet.

yeh and I really hope the incomign pvp content is inc soon and will keep players too because doing hardcore Cyrodiil for a few months is slowly starting to get a little boring now

born2beagator · June 2014

hk11 wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Wildstar mmo, which came out about 2 weeks ago, is still dying as of 3pm today as well and will go f2p. Here is more proof

https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/77264-honest-review-of-wildstar/

Not dying at all from what I can tell. Dungeon queues for DPS are like 3 minutes. Tanks are instant. PvP queues are pretty much instant.

I have characters from 15-50 in WS and all the zones are almost overpopulated. World PVP is just insane.

I wouldn't classify anything about it as dying. A lot of people are turned off by how the PvE is hard and may have left.

It's not casual. Dungeons are hard, even random mobs can kill you if you are bad. But when you die, it's always mechanics and not just increased health and dmg from the mob that kills you so it's fair.

Most importantly is all the classes seem to be pretty balanced and all of them are good. Most of them are not really that much fun until around lvl 21-25 but they are all good.

All i did was take one look at the neon puke all over my screen with laughable running animations and I resolved never to play the game.

Cartoons just don't send me.

Ralathar44 · June 2014

born2beagator wrote: »

All i did was take one look at the neon puke all over my screen with laughable running animations and I resolved never to play the game.

Cartoons just don't send me.

I thought about it, but honestly why would you play a sci-fi Guild Wars 2 clone with a subscription when you can play Guild Wars 2 without one? It's not like Guild Wars 2 is a bad game.

Of course, some people just can't wait to get their next shiny fix. If it ain't new they ain't interested.

born2beagator · June 2014

I LOVE sci fi. It takes a lot to get me to not like a sci fi game. Cartoon graphics are the #1 thing that will make me hate anything.

I'll wait for Destiny to get my sci fi game fix

mutharex · June 2014

born2beagator wrote: »

hk11 wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Wildstar mmo, which came out about 2 weeks ago, is still dying as of 3pm today as well and will go f2p. Here is more proof

https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/77264-honest-review-of-wildstar/

Not dying at all from what I can tell. Dungeon queues for DPS are like 3 minutes. Tanks are instant. PvP queues are pretty much instant.

I have characters from 15-50 in WS and all the zones are almost overpopulated. World PVP is just insane.

I wouldn't classify anything about it as dying. A lot of people are turned off by how the PvE is hard and may have left.

It's not casual. Dungeons are hard, even random mobs can kill you if you are bad. But when you die, it's always mechanics and not just increased health and dmg from the mob that kills you so it's fair.

Most importantly is all the classes seem to be pretty balanced and all of them are good. Most of them are not really that much fun until around lvl 21-25 but they are all good.

All i did was take one look at the neon puke all over my screen with laughable running animations and I resolved never to play the game.

Cartoons just don't send me.

Shame if you hanged on a little more you could have been awed by clunky wow-style combat and horrible and flat zone design that makes the game look like a 2007 gPotato title

Not to mention questing...

mutharex · June 2014

Ralathar44 wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

All i did was take one look at the neon puke all over my screen with laughable running animations and I resolved never to play the game.

Cartoons just don't send me.

I thought about it, but honestly why would you play a sci-fi Guild Wars 2 clone with a subscription when you can play Guild Wars 2 without one? It's not like Guild Wars 2 is a bad game.

Of course, some people just can't wait to get their next shiny fix. If it ain't new they ain't interested.

You wish WS was a GW2 clone really... it's a wow clone made by gPotato. Better, looks and feels like an Allods Online clone

born2beagator · June 2014

mutharex wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

hk11 wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

Wildstar mmo, which came out about 2 weeks ago, is still dying as of 3pm today as well and will go f2p. Here is more proof

https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/77264-honest-review-of-wildstar/

Not dying at all from what I can tell. Dungeon queues for DPS are like 3 minutes. Tanks are instant. PvP queues are pretty much instant.

I have characters from 15-50 in WS and all the zones are almost overpopulated. World PVP is just insane.

I wouldn't classify anything about it as dying. A lot of people are turned off by how the PvE is hard and may have left.

It's not casual. Dungeons are hard, even random mobs can kill you if you are bad. But when you die, it's always mechanics and not just increased health and dmg from the mob that kills you so it's fair.

Most importantly is all the classes seem to be pretty balanced and all of them are good. Most of them are not really that much fun until around lvl 21-25 but they are all good.

All i did was take one look at the neon puke all over my screen with laughable running animations and I resolved never to play the game.

Cartoons just don't send me.

Shame if you hanged on a little more you could have been awed by clunky wow-style combat and horrible and flat zone design that makes the game look like a 2007 gPotato title

Not to mention questing...

Never even played WoW

agian, cartoon

pecheckler · June 2014

There are lots of players in the 1-50 areas and all the V2+ areas are empty. Perhaps that's because the game is wonderful level 1-50 and is not after reaching veteran rank 1. The extremely bad balance issues for nightblades, templars, and all class stamina builds don't help either.

Hope it gets fixed cause I need an MMO. I can't wait for Everquest2 and i'd rather drink yak *** than endure another hour of wildstar.

masterthehero · June 2014

For my guild the game is definitely dying. They're all moving over to archage but quite frankly, I have no interest in joining yet ANOTHER MMO. I was hoping ESO was going to be the stable home that the guild would finally stay put in, NOPE!

Ridiculous amount of bugs, empty content in veteran levels, and no incentive to group together except for Dolmen's or World Bosses. Zeni better figure out a way to keep this game going or it's going to die in a few more months.

Immortal_Wombat · June 2014

ESO doesn't truly live until it inevitably becomes free to play. Even if it does die, this will revive it. In fact, becoming free to play will most likely be the result of the game dieing.

GreySix · June 2014

Immortal_Wombat wrote: »

ESO doesn't truly live until it inevitably becomes free to play. Even if it does die, this will revive it. In fact, becoming free to play will most likely be the result of the game dieing.

Well, SWTOR did get a second life after its initial hybrid F2P launch, though its first foray into the hybrid model was fraught with consternation. And, it still has a relatively healthy subscriber base.

So perhaps there's something to this.

Elgarr · June 2014

I am part of 5 guilds, 3 of which were averaging 50 max at peek times in the last month.
I have since switched 2 of those guilds so they average 110 at peek times. (Less than a 1/4 of the guild online when the game has been out less than 3 months? Lol didn't happen with other supposed AAA games)

But anyone who claims numbers haven't dropped a lot, need to WUASTFC.

The numbers are even worse than what they were for SWTOR, just to give you an idea.

Use the forums and how many posts were a month ago compared to now and how often.

Sorry, this game will be F2P in less time (or Maybe slightly longer for them to not be banded as the same as others ) so so sad if they do that.

Zeni should never have taken on such a massive IP as an mmo, sorry but mmo's have been around for over 15years yet they haven't bothered to learn from others.

They came along thinking they knew what players wanted, yet tbh, I and many others seem to have forgotten more than what they know about mmo's.

Anyways, back to my real life, fortunately after writing about others failings I am not unemployed, wonder why that is when I am in direct sales!

Oh that's right, I listen to others around me, that's why it doesn't happen.

Edit: To those on about Wildstar, it will last longer than Eso imo it also won't bleed the subs, the reason?

Raiding and pvp. (No I haven't played it since beta also) /the shock, being impartial, scary for some of you white knights I know.

Rift lasted longer before it went F2P than what most have.

Ralathar44 · June 2014

GreySix wrote: »

Well, SWTOR did get a second life after its initial hybrid F2P launch, though its first foray into the hybrid model was fraught with consternation. And, it still has a relatively healthy subscriber base.

So perhaps there's something to this.

SWTOR has an irrationally committed extremely large fan base used to accepting a diverse spectrum of games.

ESO has a much smaller fan base who raged at the fact that this game is a hyrbid between the series (which has been a very formulaic and set style) and MMORPG's.

Hate to say, I like this game but it's not the same. Also, truth be told if Archage or Camelot Unchained offer me the RVR I'm looking for then this game will not hold me. I like this game's PVP and consider it better than Guild Wars 2 WvW in design (though it currently is imbalanced class wise), but this is still not the PVP I will hang my hat at.

I've rather enjoyed the PVE and, for once, I've enjoyed dungeons quite alot. This is the first game that made me actually enjoy dungeons

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born2beagator · June 2014

they closed down the wildstar comparison thread. Wasn't exactly "advertising" going on there mods. Everyone I saw was trashing the game and honestly it was a fun discussion

Ease up on your rules there a bit mods. I miss the old forums. Everyone here has to toe the company line.

mutharex · June 2014

born2beagator wrote: »

they closed down the wildstar comparison thread. Wasn't exactly "advertising" going on there mods. Everyone I saw was trashing the game and honestly it was a fun discussion

Ease up on your rules there a bit mods

OR be constant in your decisions and close this trashy pile of flaming poo thread....

born2beagator · June 2014

mutharex wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

they closed down the wildstar comparison thread. Wasn't exactly "advertising" going on there mods. Everyone I saw was trashing the game and honestly it was a fun discussion

Ease up on your rules there a bit mods

OR be constant in your decisions and close this trashy pile of flaming poo thread....

yep. they close a thread trashing their main competitor atm and leave open a massive thread about their game dying. makes sense.

At least that conversation was entertaining

Moiskormoimi · June 2014

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Thechemicals wrote: »

This game is dying too

https://forums.wildstar-online.com/forums/index.php?/topic/73756-2-weeks-left-for-wildstar/

What I think is funny is that people who where bashing on ESO about having bugs and glitches and fixes, and calling people who say its normal fanboys, are now the ones defending Wildstar and saying give it time.

Very few, if any, are saying that about WS. Because either you're already playing it and are not here, or you're trolling. If people actually cared to read that forum link, you'd see that a lot of people are disagreeing with the OP in general. Compare that to ESO type threads, where the majority seems to agree with the OP, and there is a meager denial from the pro-team(wasn't meant as a jab, just couldn't come up with a decent adjective that wasn't 'fan boy')

mutharex · June 2014

born2beagator wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

they closed down the wildstar comparison thread. Wasn't exactly "advertising" going on there mods. Everyone I saw was trashing the game and honestly it was a fun discussion

Ease up on your rules there a bit mods

OR be constant in your decisions and close this trashy pile of flaming poo thread....

yep. they close a thread trashing their main competitor atm and leave open a massive thread about their game dying. makes sense.

At least that conversation was entertaining

I dunno if moderation is done directly by ZOS employees or outsourced but being more proactive with the haters and trolls would have been a good move...
I dunno why companies think that letting trolls badmouth their game on their forum is a good idea

Moiskormoimi · June 2014

mutharex wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

they closed down the wildstar comparison thread. Wasn't exactly "advertising" going on there mods. Everyone I saw was trashing the game and honestly it was a fun discussion

Ease up on your rules there a bit mods

OR be constant in your decisions and close this trashy pile of flaming poo thread....

yep. they close a thread trashing their main competitor atm and leave open a massive thread about their game dying. makes sense.

At least that conversation was entertaining

I dunno if moderation is done directly by ZOS employees or outsourced but being more proactive with the haters and trolls would have been a good move...
I dunno why companies think that letting trolls badmouth their game on their forum is a good idea

I agree that there really isn't anything constructive about this thread, however, littered in it is a unifying discontent. When you can get past the antics and some of the more flamboyant whines, you have a real issue that is being brought up repeatedly. This is of value, because if you can't deliver a product you said you would, you will cut your bottom line. And people gotta eat. Once you get past the inarticulate or incoherent moans, you can look at the bigger picture.

Omnevolus · June 2014

Fluctuating, as normal and expected. Much too early, and much too little data, for this kind of negative speculation (which certainly isn't helping).

born2beagator · June 2014

anyways, back to the purpose of the thread. here is a great review that highlights what I think it the main problem: game balance
http://www.theouthousers.com/index.php/features/127602-a-long-road-ahead-for-elder-scrolls-online.html

jelliedsoup · June 2014

I'm still playing.

Wifeaggro13 · June 2014

Inzababa wrote: »

ps keep in mind there's only ONE mega server for all of europe and ONE for the US, I wasn't expecting these low pop level for ONE UNIQUE server

The only thing i can say is it is extremely disturbing to watch someone cut their own throat and bleed all over your feet. Its what we are witnessing now with ZOS and this game. the focus and road ahead look murky and less appealing as the basic core breaking mechanics for the games longevity are not even acknowledged.
i suspect when everything is said and done and the game is retrospected.and income is tallied in the financial reporting to the investment company that footed the 300 million start up of ZOS. many unkind things will be said and many jobs will be lost. just take a look at bioware. Non of the top dogs that were in charge of TOR even work in the game development industry anymore. even the story writers. except for james Ohlen he maybe at zeni right now.

Phantorang · June 2014

Haxer wrote: »

lol for the longest time I couldn't imagine why the dev's don't communicate at all, then I realized they're all too busy playing WS.

Weird, because players seems to be leaving that game too.

Ralathar44 · June 2014

born2beagator wrote: »

mutharex wrote: »

born2beagator wrote: »

they closed down the wildstar comparison thread. Wasn't exactly "advertising" going on there mods. Everyone I saw was trashing the game and honestly it was a fun discussion

Ease up on your rules there a bit mods

OR be constant in your decisions and close this trashy pile of flaming poo thread....

yep. they close a thread trashing their main competitor atm and leave open a massive thread about their game dying. makes sense.

At least that conversation was entertaining

Actually it makes perfect sense to be honest. This forums is a general discussion forum about the game. This is general discussion about the game even if it is not positive. Wildstar thread would be something appropriate for an off-topic section. Since they do not have one of those it's closed.

Forum moderation of undesirable elements is a tricky balance. Do too much and you become a biased developer that hears only what you want to hear, which actually hurts your ability to improve the game. Do too little and the trolls run the roost. The balance between giving them plenty of freedom and stopping their biased and childish shenanigans is a tough one.

Also, if you unfairly moderate your forums, 3rd part forums will then start criticizing the unfair moderation and the game will earn a reputation. Kind of like Marvel Heros, oh excuse me Marvel Hero's 2015. They renamed their game and got a second metacritic score that they asked their community to rate high, creating a new biased metacritic entry that has almost none of the negative reviews. They also commonly ban people on the forums for criticizing their game.

Trust me, the mods here are walking a tightrope. They screw up sometimes but they are trying. You don't want them to become Gazillion games with their mod powers, the forums would become one giant fanboy gush useless for information.

Loco_Mofo · June 2014

Inzababa wrote: »

ps keep in mind there's only ONE mega server for all of europe and ONE for the US, I wasn't expecting these low pop level for ONE UNIQUE server

That's an important point I think many don't even realise. When I walk around my current vet zone and only see a couple other guys running around, you get a feel for just how low the population has actually gotten. I don't need to see hard numbers or graphs, I can just jump in game and see the population decline myself.

Inzababa · June 2014

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Inzababa wrote: »

ps keep in mind there's only ONE mega server for all of europe and ONE for the US, I wasn't expecting these low pop level for ONE UNIQUE server

That's an important point I think many don't even realise. When I walk around my current vet zone and only see a couple other guys running around, you get a feel for just how low the population has actually gotten. I don't need to see hard numbers or graphs, I can just jump in game and see the population decline myself.

yeh it's why I made the thread, I mean if you were on a server that was losing population, you'd have a hard time getting info on the population of all servers and players, but since there are only 2 servers in the world ....

mutharex · June 2014

LOL

About the ridiculous 300mil claim I see haters pulling out every now and then:

"On October 6, 2010, ZeniMax Media received $150 million private investment in convertible preferred stock from Providence Equity Partners.[11] Providence had earlier invested US$300 million in ZeniMax convertible preferred stock in 2007.[12] Providence Equity Partners holds a 25% stake in ZeniMax Media.[13][14]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_Media

Ralathar44 · June 2014

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

Inzababa wrote: »

ps keep in mind there's only ONE mega server for all of europe and ONE for the US, I wasn't expecting these low pop level for ONE UNIQUE server

That's an important point I think many don't even realise. When I walk around my current vet zone and only see a couple other guys running around, you get a feel for just how low the population has actually gotten. I don't need to see hard numbers or graphs, I can just jump in game and see the population decline myself.

Amazing how people suddenly forget about complaining about phasing when it doesn't serve their arguments.