Am I the only one that does not want to use Add-Ons & UI Mods?

MichaelD

The reason I use over 20 addons is simple. Information I want to have as much information as I can for the things that are happening around me/from me. I like to know the damage that I do, the heal that I do, what buffs do I have or my team.
Also cannot live without a minimap (ESO is the 1st game without minimap I played and it slowed me down alot)
Also what the others said so far, research assistant, bank filters, etc...
Some things there should already be IN the game and not out-sourced.

DragonMother

I run the game with ten addon's. Mostly for better tracking of shards with accuracy, and crafting management. I see absolutely nothing wrong with using addon's, most aren't even intrusive with the interface. Heck, one I use actually enhances my focus on chat by popping up little bubbles when someone is talking or emoting to me. It helps me pay attention to what is being said, instead of the "Oh shiney, SQUIRREL" frame of mind going on here.

Coggage

I have all these addons running... Alchemist, AutoDecline, Azurah, BankStuffer, Binder, ChatAlert, CombatCloud, FastReport, Greymind Quickslot Bar, Harven's Provisioning Tooltips, ItemSaver, Lootfilter, LoreBooks, Merchants, Wykkyd's Framework, MultiCraft, NPC Reticle Scan, PL Combat Indicator, Rainbow Reticle, SkyShards, Slightly Improved Attribute Bars, Slightly Improved Experience Bar, Sous Chef, Treasure Maps, Weapon Charge Alert, Wykkyd's Quest Tracker, X4D_Chat, X4D_LibAntiSpam, ZAM_BuffDisplay, ZAM_Notebook, Zolan JunkHandler and last but by no means least, ZrMiniMap.

None of them let me cheat in any way. None of them are detrimental to anyone else's gameplay. All are written using the system Zenimark implemented specifically in order to allow people to write addons. Yet still people find cause to complain about addons.

Please, someone show me an addon that allows this alleged cheating everyone refers to but never actually points a finger at. I have all day...

AlexDougherty

Ecian wrote: »

You are not alone. I play add-on free here as I do with most games.

Me too, most addons are irrelevant or take something away.
I won't stop others using them, but I don't want them myself.

Monyan

I'm using one add for Lorebooks, but it just came from the need. I used to play any game without any adds unless I feel a particular need. I don't need anything else for now.

Feimerdre

Just let me state on more thing in this discussion. The use of addons in a game that offers an api exactly for this (thus is implemented by devs right for gamers to enhance their ui) or the complete denial of using them is not at all a religious or political question. There is no "right" arguement. In fact there is not even a "wrong" argument. You are no better player if you deny using addons. You are no better human if you do so neither.
Everyone here should have one thing clear to his or her mind: your point of view is only ONE possible point of view. It is not THE point of view, it's not even a RIGHT point of view.
So I stress this out once more: if you feel like playing without addons, you will be fine. If you feel like playing with every addon that was ever written, you will be fine.
Please avoid words like "cheating", "misuse" or "botting" in this discussion as those words are simply off-topic and are mostly grounded on mis-information.

Sallakat

Who cares.

If you don't wanna use addons and I wanna, and am using, addons, then who really cares. And why would there have to be threads about subject like that. Ok you don't wanna use addons, umm good for you?

Vendersleigh

You are not alone. I play without add-ons of any kind.
For me the game is much more fun without.

KerinKor

columbineb14_ESO wrote: »

I distrust add-ons (never can tell what someone's put in there, like a keylogger)

Can a LUA script be USED to write a keylogger?

I think not.

Coggage

The sheer ignorance about LUA and addons in this thread is utterly mind-blowing.

Cogo

festivalsb14_ESO wrote: »

To me the game seems exceptional as is. I very much enjoy my screen almost completely void of an UI elements. My only wish would be that I could make the compass very small (Currently you can make it somewhat small but it seems chat and company all get very small too).

So that's really all I would change. Why do you guys get these mods and add-ons? Do you not feel it disrupts your screen?

What's the best one that you have come across? Why do you like it so much that it would clutter your screen?

Wishes

I agree that the game is muuuuch more fun without any freakin addons.
However, Zenimax not only allow them, they support them, so I dont feel I have the right to say that addons are wrong, even though its beyond me how many lazy people using that skyshard addon. They dont even realize how much fun they missing.....

Cogo

Kyotee0071 wrote: »

There are plenty of addons out there that do not disrupt your screen.

At esoui.com here are a few priceless ones that you won't even know are there unless you open your map:

1) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info288-LoreBooks.html - adds the location to all lore books - can toggle the ones already found off.

2) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info128-SkyShards.html - adds the location to all sky shards - can toggle the ones already found off.

3) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info257-MundusMap.html - adds the location to all mundus stones - can toggle the ones already found off.

And then there is a nice little minimap that hardly takes up any of your screen if you are into those. I personally use it as it's handy when going through dungeons

4) Mini Map - http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info142-ZrMM-Modified.html

This next mod keeps the traditional look of ESO's UI, but allows you to move anything and scale the size. I personally love it.

5) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info199-Azurah-InterfaceEnhanced.html

If you are into doing tradeskills:

6) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info163-SousChef-ProvisioningHelper.html - Great for cooking

7) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info153-ResearchBuddy.html - Great for keeping track of researching items.

Ever wonder what you just looted?

8) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info35-LootdropContinuedAllinOne.html - Gives a small / movable window that shows your loot before fading out.

All the addons above can be ran without even knowing they are there with the exception of the mini map. But they make life so much easier.

Installing addons in this game is an absolute breeze as well. I'm sure most of everyone here knows how to do it, but for the few that don't.

A ) Download the above addons using winrar or whatever program you prefer.

B ) After a virus scan (can never be too safe) "extract the contents" to - Documents/Elder Scrolls Online/live/AddOns

C ) At Character select screen select addons and check "allow out of date addons".

Done.

In game you can access the options to all the addons you have installed via the in game menu. From there you can go in to the options for each individual addons and select / tweak your options.

Good luck!

Nice list

And when "you" have found all skyshards/lorebooks become great at tradeskills. That makes you feel great doesnt it? because it was ALL your work.....or was it?

Feimerdre

Everything I could answer you now would be just a repetition of what I already wrote. So either you didnt read it or you didnt understand it.

Adramelach

I use 35 addons and counting, and my interface is almost nothing like off-the-shelf. Without them, the game would be a frustrating mess of UI problems that would irk me to no end.

I have many that support simply crafting, like knowing what traits you've researched... what you can enchant and what you can't, what materials are for what levels, etc.

In my inventory, sub-filtering and organizing it so I'm not looking at one huge list of items, but can sub-filter for provisioning ingredients, or enchanting runes, etc.

timers to show me my buff effects and when they'll give out, highlights to show the condition of my stuff, etc.

I don't simply collect addons for the heck of it. In all cases, I get frustrated with something "You mean I have to switch over to research to work out if I already know this trait and can deconstruct this shield, or if I should keep it to research later?" and then I go find an addon that removes that obvious and ridiculous limitation "ah, this addon will put a little colored dot next to each item so I know if it's safe to decon it or if it has a trait I don't know yet, perfect". and so on.

Frankly, in my opinion, all things the UI should have done in the first place.

Vanathi

Govalon wrote: »

festivalsb14_ESO wrote: »

- Mark items. I can mark items with special icon by right clicking item and choosing "mark". This is gamesaver for me and I would probably quit the game if this single addon was missing. Before I started using this, there was no way for me to know which items I wan't to save later use because deconstruction window actually shows items you have in BANK. how ridicilous is that? If I put something in bank, I obviously wan't to save that item and not deconstruck.

With this addon, I no longer have to worry about destroying items I am not currently using but wan't to save for later like different set items etc. Does nothing to clutter my screen, only visible when looking at iventory or when selling/deconstructing items.

Forum email is disabled or I would have sent you a message. Since I can't... If you wouldn't mind looking at your add ons can you please tell me which add on that is? I MUST have it! I accidentally decon stuff I'm saving from time to time. I perused Minion's bags, bank, inventory section and couldn't find it. I'm sure I just missed it while reading the descriptions.

Never mind I found it. It's called Item Saver. Thank you for posting about this add on!

robacooperb16_ESO

TicToc wrote: »

Some people are ridiculous. It is all well and good if you don't want to use addons, but some of you are far too proud of yourselves for not using them.

Use them, or don't, that is your choice, but many people prefer to use them, and Zenimax designed the game specifically for their use, and encourage people to develop them. If you feel like you are somehow at a disadvantage, that is your problem. The playing field is even. If you choose not to use all the tools at your disposal, that is up to you.

And what does anyone care how others find skyshards? If people want to search for them, great. If some people don't want to have to waste a tone of time searching, that is their option. People come from different gaming backgrounds and have different opinions about what is fun. You play the game how you want to play and let others play it how they want to play.

To the OP:

Most addons don't even take up screen space, so you really aren't making a huge sacrifice. People coming from other MMORPG's are used to far more clutter on the screen, so what little the addons do add is barely noticeable.

This here is the classic thinking/delusion of those seeking to excuse their cheating/modding/exploiting in games to make it easier for them or to give themselves an advantage over everyone else- what's sad is folks like this are proud of it.

Coggage

The only ones who are deluded are the ones who think mods allow cheating or exploits. They don't. They can't. They can only present existing data in the game more efficiently. They don't give any advantages over other players either.

As I've said before - and no-one has taken me up on it, surprise, surprise - list me some addons that allow cheating in any way, shape or form or that would give someone an unfair advantage over another player.

EramTheLiar

I love addons. My favorite is Wykkd's framework, which allows me to place an infostrip above the compass that shows character level, experience, gold, soulgem count, and notifications for feeding my horse and when my crafting research is finished.

I also use the skyshard map. I know there are people who think it's cheating, and I promise you I cry myself to sleep every night at the thought of their disapproval.

claudius_Dark

One reason I don't use ad ons is because I have ruined the install on a couple of games such that I could never get the game to work again. I don't want that to happen so I avoid ad ons.

And that said I don't like the keen eye being automatic. Why would the makers put the keen skills in if they knew there would be an od on? I'm not that upset as there are plenty of free skill points for me to take:wood, ore, and alchemy. The other crafting mats I can see without the keen senses.

TicToc

Cogo wrote: »

Kyotee0071 wrote: »

There are plenty of addons out there that do not disrupt your screen.

At esoui.com here are a few priceless ones that you won't even know are there unless you open your map:

1) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info288-LoreBooks.html - adds the location to all lore books - can toggle the ones already found off.

2) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info128-SkyShards.html - adds the location to all sky shards - can toggle the ones already found off.

3) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info257-MundusMap.html - adds the location to all mundus stones - can toggle the ones already found off.

And then there is a nice little minimap that hardly takes up any of your screen if you are into those. I personally use it as it's handy when going through dungeons

4) Mini Map - http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info142-ZrMM-Modified.html

This next mod keeps the traditional look of ESO's UI, but allows you to move anything and scale the size. I personally love it.

5) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info199-Azurah-InterfaceEnhanced.html

If you are into doing tradeskills:

6) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info163-SousChef-ProvisioningHelper.html - Great for cooking

7) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info153-ResearchBuddy.html - Great for keeping track of researching items.

Ever wonder what you just looted?

8) http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info35-LootdropContinuedAllinOne.html - Gives a small / movable window that shows your loot before fading out.

All the addons above can be ran without even knowing they are there with the exception of the mini map. But they make life so much easier.
...

Nice list

And when "you" have found all skyshards/lorebooks become great at tradeskills. That makes you feel great doesnt it? because it was ALL your work.....or was it?

Apparently you tie some sort of self worth to slogging around and finding things yourself or doing things like crafting in some tedious manner. Many other people, however, do not place that kind of value on completing mundane tasks. For many people, their time is valuable and they don't want to spend it doing things that they don't find fun.

I'm glad that you enjoy playing it the way you do, but most people do not feel the same way, and certainly don't feel better about themselves for doing it the tedious way.

People play games for different reasons. What is entertaining and rewarding for you is meaningless, and boring to others...and vice versa. Play the game how you want, and let others play how they want to play.

Csub

claudius_Dark wrote: »

One reason I don't use ad ons is because I have ruined the install on a couple of games such that I could never get the game to work again. I don't want that to happen so I avoid ad ons.

And that said I don't like the keen eye being automatic. Why would the makers put the keen skills in if they knew there would be an od on? I'm not that upset as there are plenty of free skill points for me to take:wood, ore, and alchemy. The other crafting mats I can see without the keen senses.

Aren't you mistaking it with mods? Addons don't write over anything thus they cannot permanently break a game. They can cause issues, true, but then all you have to do is just deleting the said addon.

Mods, however, do often overwrite certain game files so they can mess up your game, always good to keep a copy of the files or the whole game to avoid issues.

seaef

Streega wrote: »

Dolenz wrote: »

Kreager wrote: »

Add on have cheats in them? Are you serious? Another uninformed person that has no idea how the api works. Please point me to a current cheat mechanic that is in the API @Hlaren_shortsheath. You are confusing hacks with addons. There is a difference. This has been pointed out numerous times but as usual Sheeple only see what they want to see. No of the current hacks in game have anything to do with the API.

Well, everyone may see it differently but a person above you says they use an add-on to show where skyshards and lore books are. Some may consider that cheating.

To answer the original question. I use no add-ons.

Kreager wrote: »

yes but the same info is available on fan sites so......... not really an issue

Maybe not a big issue, but still - cheating.

cfurlin wrote: »

Kreager wrote: »

Some may consider that cheating.

"Some" don't matter. It's only cheating if Zeni decides it's cheating.

Of course, if another player gets all the skyshards before someone else, they'll probably think that's cheating. I'm sorry their ego is damaged by a [percieved] "win" in a game.

Moderator Edit: removed for abusive language.

No. Cheating is when you cheat. You can ask your friends or guildies where the skyshards or books are and that's OK. But when you don't even bother to ask or find it yourself and just install an add-on - that's cheating. And sooo lame.
It's your ego that is damaged, 'cause ESO is not about "winning". Find every skyshard and book, catch all rare fishes and do every PvE quest, all by yourself - that's true win.

That is the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Csub

There's a difference between cheating and convenience. Addons belong to the latter.

TicToc

Csub wrote: »

claudius_Dark wrote: »

One reason I don't use ad ons is because I have ruined the install on a couple of games such that I could never get the game to work again. I don't want that to happen so I avoid ad ons.

And that said I don't like the keen eye being automatic. Why would the makers put the keen skills in if they knew there would be an od on? I'm not that upset as there are plenty of free skill points for me to take:wood, ore, and alchemy. The other crafting mats I can see without the keen senses.

Aren't you mistaking it with mods? Addons don't write over anything thus they cannot permanently break a game. They can cause issues, true, but then all you have to do is just deleting the said addon.

Mods, however, do often overwrite certain game files so they can mess up your game, always good to keep a copy of the files or the whole game to avoid issues.

This is correct. Addons cannot ruin your install. The game simply parses the addon files looking for information that is written for the API. It doesn't overwrite or replace anything. That is why you can enable or disable an addon and then simply reload the UI to have it take affect. Mods, on the other hand, may actually replace game files.

Btw, the addon for finding resources is nothing like the keen eye skills in the game. It just creates a database of where you have found resources before and places and icon on the map. For me, it just makes for a cluttered mess on my map, and I don't find it helpful, at all. The keen eye skills are much better, imo.

reagen_lionel

the only mods I have are for Rp reasons mostly.

I dont use all that numbers stuff.

Nukeyak

I don't use add ons anymore. In prior games I did for a while, but they have to be updated after patches and often cause glitches in the game itself. Just not worth the bother.

Catches_the_Sun

TicToc wrote: »

Apparently you tie some sort of self worth to slogging around and finding things yourself or doing things like crafting in some tedious manner. Many other people, however, do not place that kind of value on completing mundane tasks. For many people, their time is valuable and they don't want to spend it doing things that they don't find fun.

I'm glad that you enjoy playing it the way you do, but most people do not feel the same way, and certainly don't feel better about themselves for doing it the tedious way.

People play games for different reasons. What is entertaining and rewarding for you is meaningless, and boring to others...and vice versa. Play the game how you want, and let others play how they want to play.

Heh, there used to be a time where those who didn't want to put in the same work as everybody else were not able to reap the same rewards.

Coggage

Well, after about 15 hours since my last challenge, NO-ONE has been able to come up with an addon that allows you to cheat, gain an advantage over another player or provide any info you can't look up on Google as and when you want to.

How totally expected! What a complete and utter non-surprise!

Aeggil

I have played a lot of MMO's over the years, and with 1 exception I have avoided addons. Not because of any suspicion of the addons, if you're sensible as others have mentioned then you are perfectly safe. But because addon authors get bored, stop updating their addons and they eventually break when the game updates and the addon doesn't.

That is the only reason I don't like to use addons.

However, here, in ESO I find I HAVE to use addons. Others love the minimalist display, but I find it half-finished with basic information missing or hard to find that should be standard in an MMO.

I wish ESO worked like other MMOs with a proper, full interface which is able to have elements turned off in the options. A much better way of doing it than shipping what is, to me, an incomplete game which I HAVE to install addons to make it playable.

So for me, it's not cheating and if you like the minimalist interface, good for you! But I'm not an Elder Scrolls fan, I'm an MMO fan, and unfortunately to get a proper MMO experience you NEED addons.

All of that of course was just IMHO

BTW, I don't use the skyshards, lorebooks, etc maps...I prefer to try to explore and find them myself and resorting to google once I find myself unable to find the last couple. My addons are all interface functionality related

Mingg

>>Am I the only one that does not want to use Add-Ons & UI Mods?

Yes.