Am I the only one that does not want to use Add-Ons & UI Mods?

Merlin13KAGL

cfurlin wrote: »

Kreager wrote: »

Some may consider that cheating.

"Some" don't matter. It's only cheating if Zeni decides it's cheating.

Of course, if another player gets all the skyshards before someone else, they'll probably think that's cheating. I'm sorry their ego is damaged by a [percieved] "win" in a game.

Moderator Edit: removed for abusive language.

@cfurlin...they're not talking about a cheat in terms of exploits...they're saying they wish to explore the world on their own..., not go for a guided tour...

If you want or need some things or everything premarked, go nuts...

Some, (I'm one of them...), feel it takes away from some of the point and design of the game and choose to do things as we feel the Dev's intended us to...

It's not wrong...it's our choice...

(No, I currently use no add ons)

uktitanb16_ESO

IF Ui Mods Were not intended by Zeni, then they wouldn't be aloud in game! Zeni Added the ability to create and use ui mods in game, this is part of their Design, Just like in All elder scrolls games.

Mods have always been aloud in Elderscrolls games, to say that Its *cheating* Or not what *dev's* intended or not the point or Design of the game is Misinformed.

If they Weren't intended or weren't part of the games Design, then they wouldn't be aloud in game. There are Many many games out there, Mmo's included that do NOT allow Mods by design.

The Fact is Mods ARE a part of the games Design, its all part of their play how you want Philosophy! Whether you use them or not is your choice *play how you want*

Some choose to use UI mods because that's how they choose to play, Others choose Not to use them, because they don't like the Clutter, want more immersion etc etc

At the end of the day don't worry what others are or are not using or what they think, Play how you want!

claudius_Dark

I don't like using ad-ons in a multiplayer game. It means I have to either install ad ons to compete with other players or just live with less power.

I don't use show materials because I can spend skillpoints in keen eye: wood, ore, alchemy material. I don't mind losing 3 skill points.

I do use an online guide for finding skyshards because otherwise I will be asking on zone chat where they are so I spare people that. (I could just hunt for skyshards or abandon them, but it is just so tempting.

So I don't like it if they give some players unfair advantage.

Thesiren

No, you're not the only one. I never use mods in any game, ever. I also never get viruses, trojans, strange game bugs others don't get, or post-patch incompatibilities.

Csub

I am mostly using some convenient addons that save me a lot of time that would be wasted otherwise (like putting all items from inventory to bank if I already have a stack there, guild store search function, etc.)

I won`t do a UI revamp addon though, with damage display or buff counter, different HP bars etc.

rioinsigniab16_ESO

I play without addons as well. I'm hoping that Zeni aren't just going to solely rely on addons to add functionality to the UI, and that they'll add their own "official" additional functionality. Just like Blizzard eventually did.

Blackwolfe5

columbineb14_ESO wrote: »

I distrust add-ons (never can tell what someone's put in there, like a keylogger), and I think people use them to shortcut having to actually think, explore, pay attention, etc.

Just wanted to say that it would be absolutely impossible to make a keylogger in an addon. Addons are not even loaded until you start up a character. Now, if you installed an addon from some kind of shady exe file, then absolutely, but that would not be the addon itself but rather something someone put in the exe file. If you just copy the addon files over to the proper directory, there NO way you'd risk getting a keylogger on your system (from the addon).

And sure, I use some addons to make life easier, but also some addons to eliminate annoying things in the game or having easy access to information without having to dig for it in menus.

And yes, I used plugins to enhance (not cheat) in morrowind, oblivion and skyrim. They can add a great deal of additional value to vanilla mw/ob/sk. Addons in ESO are far more limited in what they can do. You cannot make a bot with an addon, you cannot steal someones password with an addon, you cannot insert a virus with an addon.

But still, only download addons from trusted sites such as ESOUI or Curse for example

Streega

Dolenz wrote: »

Kreager wrote: »

Add on have cheats in them? Are you serious? Another uninformed person that has no idea how the api works. Please point me to a current cheat mechanic that is in the API @Hlaren_shortsheath. You are confusing hacks with addons. There is a difference. This has been pointed out numerous times but as usual Sheeple only see what they want to see. No of the current hacks in game have anything to do with the API.

Well, everyone may see it differently but a person above you says they use an add-on to show where skyshards and lore books are. Some may consider that cheating.

To answer the original question. I use no add-ons.

Kreager wrote: »

yes but the same info is available on fan sites so......... not really an issue

Maybe not a big issue, but still - cheating.

cfurlin wrote: »

Kreager wrote: »

Some may consider that cheating.

"Some" don't matter. It's only cheating if Zeni decides it's cheating.

Of course, if another player gets all the skyshards before someone else, they'll probably think that's cheating. I'm sorry their ego is damaged by a [percieved] "win" in a game.

Moderator Edit: removed for abusive language.

No. Cheating is when you cheat. You can ask your friends or guildies where the skyshards or books are and that's OK. But when you don't even bother to ask or find it yourself and just install an add-on - that's cheating. And sooo lame.
It's your ego that is damaged, 'cause ESO is not about "winning". Find every skyshard and book, catch all rare fishes and do every PvE quest, all by yourself - that's true win.

Feimerdre

Streega wrote: »

No. Cheating is when you cheat. You can ask your friends or guildies where the skyshards or books are and that's OK. But when you don't even bother to ask or find it yourself and just install an add-on - that's cheating. And sooo lame.
It's your ego that is damaged, 'cause ESO is not about "winning". Find every skyshard and book, catch all rare fishes and do every PvE quest, all by yourself - that's true win.

You know - thats all your interpretation. You can ask but not use a map where skyshards are shown? huh? I mean, if you ask for locations this isn't literally the same as using exactly the same information in a compessed form? You serious?
This would mean if you write down skyshard locations for yourself and use this information on later toons you would be cheating?

C'mon guys, some of you really have to get a life.

LunaRae

From a developers perspective it's amazingly cost-efficient to finish something half-way and then let the community complete your job. That's what I feel like most of these add-ons do. I don't use any add-ons, I'm hoping to see the user experience improve without the requirement of third party add-ons. Lorebook finder, skyshards, node finder, etc... I don't care about those. But detailed combat logs, better guild store search functionality, better spam blocking abilities - those are just examples of what I think should be way more fine polished than what is in-game currently.

Sarenia

Zazar wrote: »

Some like immersion, some others like performance.

Some of us like both. Addons can help with that.

Zorak

Dolenz wrote: »

Kreager wrote: »

Add on have cheats in them? Are you serious? Another uninformed person that has no idea how the api works. Please point me to a current cheat mechanic that is in the API @Hlaren_shortsheath. You are confusing hacks with addons. There is a difference. This has been pointed out numerous times but as usual Sheeple only see what they want to see. No of the current hacks in game have anything to do with the API.

Well, everyone may see it differently but a person above you says they use an add-on to show where skyshards and lore books are. Some may consider that cheating.

To answer the original question. I use no add-ons.

You can google and know where everything ( skyshards, lore books, etc... ) are, so I personally think this kind of addons can be considered cheating.

Leesha

festivalsb14_ESO wrote: »

So that's really all I would change. Why do you guys get these mods and add-ons? Do you not feel it disrupts your screen?

What's the best one that you have come across? Why do you like it so much that it would clutter your screen?

Wishes

I can't really say one is best but the ones I find essential to my gameplay are the mini map, Wykkyd's framework & quest tools, Zam Buff Display and Antispam.

The antispam automatically silences those spamming their stuff for sale and the gold spammers while not clogging up my ignore list. The minimap is just a habitual thing from every other mmo I've played. Wykkyd's allows me to customize my UI, add a tiny bar at the top of my screen to display important information and shows me what gets looted by myself and any group members among many other things. Buff Display allows me to see buffs on myself and my targets. I like to see buffs without having to open my character sheet.

My screen is no more cluttered with these addons than before. They are really just quality of life improvements except for the antispam, that is absolutely necessary.

AreoHotah

I've used 12 or so for weeks now and i dont think i could play without them. Inventory and bank tab management, provisioning details and much more usefull stuff that the game should have had at launch.

OH and lets not forget SweetFX. What would i do without my SweetFX??

Elirienne

No you're not, in wow I used to despise the fact that some people vehemently state that you NEED addons to raid etc. Some might assist a bit, but if you have half a brain, you can do everything without. I am majorly against addons in every game.

Millionaires

I cannot even wrap my head around 85% of these comments. I highly suggest before you throw out 'facts' you do some research.

Before I even start, you're more likely to get a virus from an interactive map than downloading an add-on from a trusted site. A little bit of research on this matter would make you realize how correct I actually am, when you use an interactive map, it requires Java, you can get Java drive-by'd with no warning, and it's damn near impossible to detect, yes.. a virus from just viewing a map.

While we're on the topic of maps, there is no difference between using that map on another site and adding the waypoint in game, in fact all it does it stop alt+tabbing. Sure, it may break immersion and exploration, but the moment you search an interactive map for it, you break that yourself.

This is a pointless argument, because the add-on is following a guideline, an add-on doesn't allow you to fly, or auto-harvest at the speed of light, they're done by external programs that violate the ToS. Add-on's simply add to the game, making it easier and more convenient.

Let's just say, if they weren't meant to be made, Zeni wouldn't have released an API for them. Common sense right, I suggest you look under the carpet and find yours, because it appears to be missing.. no offence.

Feimerdre

LunaRae wrote: »

From a developers perspective it's amazingly cost-efficient to finish something half-way and then let the community complete your job. That's what I feel like most of these add-ons do.

Again one that only walks half the way.
I will give you an alternative view of your argument:
From a developers perspective it's amazingly efficient to finish an open system that gives you all the basic infos and implement an api that allows people to customize this set.
What Zenimax gave us was a common baseline. This is pretty much genious in any sense of the word. They didn't design you an interface that is hammered in stone. They gave you an interface that leaves plenty of room for your PERSONAL enjoyment.
There is no cheating in all of this, guys. This is a WANTED thing, it's BY DESIGN and please hammer it in your heads: THEY DID IT FOR ALL OF US!
So if you want to go ahead with the common baseline you are all FINE! Noone wants to force you into ANYthing! But please get enough common sense to let others use what was implemented by design and with foresight.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

Feimerdre wrote: »

Streega wrote: »

No. Cheating is when you cheat. You can ask your friends or guildies where the skyshards or books are and that's OK. But when you don't even bother to ask or find it yourself and just install an add-on - that's cheating. And sooo lame.
It's your ego that is damaged, 'cause ESO is not about "winning". Find every skyshard and book, catch all rare fishes and do every PvE quest, all by yourself - that's true win.

You know - thats all your interpretation. You can ask but not use a map where skyshards are shown? huh? I mean, if you ask for locations this isn't literally the same as using exactly the same information in a compessed form? You serious?
This would mean if you write down skyshard locations for yourself and use this information on later toons you would be cheating?

C'mon guys, some of you really have to get a life.

It has two sides. One I do not consider this a cheat. You can even google it.

BUT if you try looking for it, it is more fun. If you fail and give up, you ask others for help.. Well isn't it nice?

We live in way too much "independent" world.
We are in google age. It is great tool, but people should still ask others in the first place. If you fail, then search the google.

If we all use google for every single crap, then we are doomed.

Nox_Aeterna

My screen is literally covered with diferent addons giving all kinds of information , from incoming/outgoing heals/my dps/to even my research timers.

I play this game like a MMO mate , i would rather have tons of useful information than care about immersion and all that stuff.

I leave immersion for single player games.

Feimerdre

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO wrote: »

BUT if you try looking for it, it is more fun. If you fail and give up, you ask others for help.. Well isn't it nice?

You put it in a question yourself. No it is not. Not for me. In my world it is annoying to ask for anything. I have pretty limited time when I can play due to family and work and private property that all demand my attention.
I want to make it as easy for me as I can.

Razzak

Without Wykkyd's outfitter mod, I would stop playing the game after second week.

kieso

I'm not a fan of the add-on method myself when it comes to games so I'm pretty minimalistic with add-ons.

Coggage

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

there is a whole community of people hate the add-ons because of cheats in them.

I await your comprehensive list of addons that cheat with bated breath. That's if it isn't just unsubstantiated fears based on "I heard it from someone who heard it from someone who read about it on the Internet."

To be honest, people who think addons "cheat" are ill-informed at best. They can't help you cheat. I know this, because I check out new addons every day and currently have 32 addons installed. Not a single one is in any way, shape or form a cheat.

robacooperb16_ESO

festivalsb14_ESO wrote: »

To me the game seems exceptional as is. I very much enjoy my screen almost completely void of an UI elements. My only wish would be that I could make the compass very small (Currently you can make it somewhat small but it seems chat and company all get very small too).

So that's really all I would change. Why do you guys get these mods and add-ons? Do you not feel it disrupts your screen?

What's the best one that you have come across? Why do you like it so much that it would clutter your screen?

Wishes

You aren't the only one - I prefer a minimalistic UI and in other games I have modded out some of the UI. In ESO it seems to be the exact balance I like... though I may consider modding out the quest compass like I did in Skyrim.

Caroloces

I totally agree with the poster about add-ons. I love the UI as is, without the obstructions that you might find in other games. However, I share a similar perspective as anonymousshadow - I installed the tactical foundry add-on for the simple reason that I wanted to learn how to use my skills more effectively.
I also believe (and this is just my opinion) that installing add-ons that pinpoint the locations of various elements in the game like skyshards and lorebooks, takes away from the sense of adventure and immersion that this game wonderfully provides. I really think that the complaints I've seen about the game (aside from the legitimate bugs and bots) stems from people rushing through the content with the goal of leveling up as quickly as possible, almost as if it were a to-do list. Like all good things in life, this game needs to be savored, not rushed.

It's worthwhile to know (and someone may have already pointed this out) that add-ons can be turned off at any time.

Chili

I use addons but not the ones that fill my screen with more stuff than I need to know and the addon package I currently use allows me to turn elements on/off to get an even more immersive experience if I desire, when I desire.

Rant: On About that though, how immersive can an MMO be when you are trying to creep through a cave and people run by you bunny hopping and killing your quest objective before you even see it and you still get credit for the kill? This is my biggest complaint about the game. Rant: Off

The crafting addons are really nice as are the guild search addons.

Also, I don't need to know where skyshards, lore books or mundus stones are, I'm an explorer and if did not find all the ones in an area on my own by the time I am ready to leave, I can use google.

shiva7663

I don't think I'd want to play without, at the very least, a mini-map add-on.

TicToc

Some people are ridiculous. It is all well and good if you don't want to use addons, but some of you are far too proud of yourselves for not using them.

Use them, or don't, that is your choice, but many people prefer to use them, and Zenimax designed the game specifically for their use, and encourage people to develop them. If you feel like you are somehow at a disadvantage, that is your problem. The playing field is even. If you choose not to use all the tools at your disposal, that is up to you.

And what does anyone care how others find skyshards? If people want to search for them, great. If some people don't want to have to waste a tone of time searching, that is their option. People come from different gaming backgrounds and have different opinions about what is fun. You play the game how you want to play and let others play it how they want to play.

To the OP:

Most addons don't even take up screen space, so you really aren't making a huge sacrifice. People coming from other MMORPG's are used to far more clutter on the screen, so what little the addons do add is barely noticeable.

Coggage

I'm still waiting for a comprehensive list of all these addons that supposedly let people cheat. In all these threads where people wring their hands about the cheating addons supposedly allow throughout the game, they never actually cite one...

Eylith

I don't see why we discuss about whether or not people use addons. It's the strength of this system : if you feel like you need one, you can, and if you feel just right without it, it's good too. I personnaly use a lot of addons (more than 10 I believe) and I believe my game experience will be a lot less good without. Like FollowTheLeader, Cap Show, Compare amors, etc.