ESO False Marketing

tyguild_ESO

Matt Firor promised that we would be receiving content releases every 4-6 weeks as part of the subscription deal. Furthermore he promised a lag free experience.

I feel robbed knowing I was mislead into both purchasing this game and subscribing.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

If it makes you feel any better, when i purchased D3 i was under the distinct impression i would be able to log on.

isengrimb16_ESO

Gee, WoW promised faster expansion cycles. At Blizzcon last fall, they said they were further along with WoD than were were with MoP at the same point, and now they're in ... beta? No! F&F alpha! Woo! No content there until after September, sometime, "soon". And they're waffling on a lot of issues and are being overall much less transparent to their players than Zenimax is being, and Zeni is loaded with more issues than Blizz is (or what Blizz will admit to being beset by.) No, I don't give a damn about Azeroth Choppers or Mammoths on Parade. I wanted to know when the beta testing was going to start. I don't care any more now, because I have ESO.

I used to think Blizzard was a decent company; but now I know it's like any other publicly-held piece of garbage, it's all for the shareholders, not the customers. Thank the Nine and all the Daedra too that privately-held companies still exist.

Yakidafi

I feel I have got alot of new content from them.

Depends on what kind of content one expect I guess.

Striker_Lightbringer

I was also under the impression that we can play ESO the way we like (using the abilities and the style we want) but it seems this is so not true. I know the game is new but... so was D3, there is no excuse to advertise something and sell something else.

isengrimb16_ESO

You CAN play any style you want. The question is: Can you handle your dreams?

PBpsy

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

If it makes you feel any better, when i purchased D3 i was under the distinct impression i would be able to log on.

I also had that foolish notion when bought D3 and SWTOR. Since then I learned to be more realistic.

jircris11

people will complain about everything. unlike most mmos your not limited to only one weapon type or armor type. You want to be a sorc with heavy armor then go ahead. HECK i play tank on my NB at times, if you don't like how the game is run then go play another one that offers said freedom. As for the updates atm they are working on bugs and bots, you people need to learn to wait. If you do not wish to wait then stop playing and come back later maybe in six months >>.

Maverick827

jircris11 wrote: »

If you do not wish to wait then stop playing and come back later maybe in six months >>.

Always a sign of a healthy game.

Lodestar

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

If it makes you feel any better, when i purchased D3 i was under the distinct impression i would be able to log on.

LOL

Though somehow I don;t think it does make him feel better.

Salsadoom

Maverick827 wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

If you do not wish to wait then stop playing and come back later maybe in six months >>.

Always a sign of a healthy game.

Dunno, that is pretty much the moto of MS and they seem to be doing well

isengrimb16_ESO

Well, WoW expects its customers to stick around for 6 more months with nothing but Timeless Isle and raiding the same crap over and over again for nothing (because all that shiny gear is going to be useless once the expansion DOES hit).

AlexDougherty

tyguild_ESO wrote: »

Matt Firor promised that we would be receiving content releases every 4-6 weeks as part of the subscription deal. Furthermore he promised a lag free experience.

I feel robbed knowing I was mislead into both purchasing this game and subscribing.

Well content is difficult, I imagine ideally they would like to release content that frequently.

As for lag free, not in my lifetime.
Ps I'm in my forties so not old, but it still won't happen in my lifetime, if ever.

Blackwidow

Yakidafi wrote: »

I feel I have got alot of new content from them.

Depends on what kind of content one expect I guess.

What new content have you received in the last 6 weeks, other than the game starting?

Nox_Aeterna

"Play the way want to play" and "Your class wont set your role"

I actually thought this meant my class would not set my role , hah , i actually believed it , silly me :P.

AlexDougherty

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

"Play the way want to play" and "Your class wont set your role"

I actually thought this meant my class would not set my role , hah , i actually believed it , silly me :P.

Yeah, that was misleading, although plenty of people say they can play any role with any class. I can't though, I can play DK as any role, Templar as tank/healer, sorc as light DPS, and struggle with any role for my NB.

Selstad

Worst part is, people will stick around WoW, and if Blizzard say "dance", they start dancing and never do they question why they are dancing. In some terms, Blizzard has been very good at their propaganda and made a nice zombie army (most of which is their "Most valued players" who rush to their defence when called upon).

Anyway.

I'm not VR 10 yet so I still have a few more hours of content left, but as I'm VR9 it's starting to grow thin on the board of having things to do. But I can't say I feel cheated or lied to by ESO, they are as any other game company, full of hot air when it comes to promising and not so good at keeping those promises. So the trick is not to buy into any of the pre-release propaganda any game company gives out, except if it's Valve. They at least know how to deliver.

As for lag free, not to come of as too rude to the OP, but if you belived - truly and honestly - that an MMO would be a lag free experience because some dude working for the MMO company said so, then I have some very bad news for you son; you're the most gullible person out there. Congratulations, hoist your colours and celebrate your achievements. No MMO, and I mean no MMO, has ever been lag free. Ever, never, and as long as we have the infrastructure that we have on the internet today, it won't be either. So if you bought into it, I think the only person I can quote then, had this to say:
"Haha!" - Nelson Muntz

isengrimb16_ESO

Sigh. You can play any way you want, just don't expect a squishy cloth character to be as survivable, hit-wise, as someone in full heavy and sword & board. Do you like thinking about tactics and strategy, do you have a military mind? If not, then go for the tanky builds. I do not expect my sneaky Khajit NB siphoning archer to be as buff as my Argonian heavy armour DK. I have l2P issues with both, but I'm liking the forced manoueverability of the NB at the moment, it's good training.

Yakidafi

Blackwidow wrote: »

Yakidafi wrote: »

I feel I have got alot of new content from them.

Depends on what kind of content one expect I guess.

What new content have you received in the last 6 weeks, other than the game starting?

Check the patch notes.

Yakidafi wrote: »

Depends on what kind of content one expect I guess.

Are you content?

Is there more or less doable content now?

I get more content everytime I play, I get more content in my bag everytime I loot a box.

Is content added or already there?

snowmanflvb14_ESO

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

"Play the way want to play" and "Your class wont set your role"

I actually thought this meant my class would not set my role , hah , i actually believed it , silly me :P.

well lets see:
NB can tank dps heal or cc
Templars can tank heal or dps ( not seen one as a ccer as of yet)
DK can tank, dps cc and heal
Sorc can tank, dps cc and heal

so seems to me every class can fill every role

As to the op except for a very very very few times I have had a lag free experience. Most of the issues I have heard of dealing with lag turned out to be on the client side excluding EU players. Here I have heard of most western EU players having pings under 200 which is equal or lower than US players playing on Eu servers for most major games. I am sure it will improve once the EU servers are moved. As for the 4-6 weeks for content if the new content is pushed tomorrow they will only be a weekend off. Myself, I would rather they miss the target date and launch it when it is ready then rush it.

isengrimb16_ESO

It all comes down to the skills you choose, and not thinking like a "munchkin" (min-maxer, the one who makes an 18-strength barbarian with a 6 intellect who insists that he's a book-reader (yes, I had a tabletopper who was that bad. He wound up ruining three different games, single-handedly, with his character-building stupidity. In my werewolf game, he got confronted in his office (he was a glass walker) and got his ass beat. His pack showed up after the fact and the theurge offered to heal him, as is proper. No, he wanted to call an AMBULANCE, which is the absolute worst thing a Garou can do in the 2nd edition World of Darkness.)

Nox_Aeterna

snowmanflvb14_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

"Play the way want to play" and "Your class wont set your role"

I actually thought this meant my class would not set my role , hah , i actually believed it , silly me :P.

well lets see:
NB can tank dps heal or cc
Templars can tank heal or dps ( not seen one as a ccer as of yet)
DK can tank, dps cc and heal
Sorc can tank, dps cc and heal

so seems to me every class can fill every role

if being "viable" is good enough for you mate , then that is great for you, you will enjoy this game for a long time.

What i thought it meant , is that any class can be equally suited for any role if you built for it... they cant.

Some are clearly better at some things.

I will grant it to you , any class got atleast one role they can compete with others when it comes to being the best suited for it , but they cant go for it all.

jpp

I guess you power leveled and now you are VR10 and have nothing to do - for most people fixing few bugs was more important and they still play "new" content - "new" becuase they still play new quests, on new zones. But sure will see in the furure - the game itself has 7 weeks since launch.
If someone played not on phone/modem connection, then I guess PvE zones are almost lag free - I can not remember any lag in last few days there. In PvP indeed happens sometimes - but it is mostly when huge number of players fight around. So if someone has many lags then probably needs to think about his internet provider - it is not game responsibility to give you good network.

theyancey

I am playing ESO with both Chrome and FF browsers open and a couple dozen tabs open in each. Yet I am not experiencing lag.

Yasha

I thought all mmos promised to use the sub for new content and in practice spent the money trying to finish a partly completed product.

I'm sure some extra "fluff" content like Halloween events will be coming at some point, and then a $80 expansion pack for real extra content down the track.

tyguild_ESO

I just want to know when I can pay to become VR10

stokesc

jpp wrote: »

I guess you power leveled and now you are VR10 and have nothing to do - for most people fixing few bugs was more important and they still play "new" content - "new" becuase they still play new quests, on new zones. But sure will see in the furure - the game itself has 7 weeks since launch.
If someone played not on phone/modem connection, then I guess PvE zones are almost lag free - I can not remember any lag in last few days there. In PvP indeed happens sometimes - but it is mostly when huge number of players fight around. So if someone has many lags then probably needs to think about his internet provider - it is not game responsibility to give you good network.

I have a VR10 toon and he wasn't "power leveled", trust me, I have some of the achievements to prove it (some because a lot were bugged). The problem is trying to play my alt and lvl him is now boring as I've done over 1000 quests already on my main so I know the story for everything and this one will now be "power leveled"; that leaves the only thing to look forward to is end-game!

I congratulate you on not having lag but clearly you're unaware of the issues some people are having; I live opposite my local exchange and have the fastest connection available in the UK and yet I still suffer from game breaking latency (if however in your case it's only when lots of players are on screen I'd recommend building a better pc my friend). That being said, clearly my years of working in IT have thrown me a curve ball and you have a clear insight as to why my service provider is the issue.... please explain!?

At the end of the day this game, is flawed BUT, it's still in it's infancy so I can look past a lot of the issues as an ES fan. Occasionally, however, I'd like an update from "the man" as everything that was said pre-release seems like a marketing ploy at the moment. As much as I enjoy the game I don't want to have to swap to the Xbox One version in 6 months just to stop feeling like a guinea pig for said experience.

Basically; I've had a beer so jog on!

tanthil

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

If it makes you feel any better, when i purchased D3 i was under the distinct impression i would be able to log on.

When i purchased D3 2years ago i was told PVP was delayed from release and would be coming soon. 2years ago.

Nobody holds game developers accountable for anything which is why it keeps getting worse, I cannot recall the last MMO release that was ready to be released and i cannot think of any other industry that can so blatantly get away with releasing unfinished merchandise

Jeremy

tyguild_ESO wrote: »

Matt Firor promised that we would be receiving content releases every 4-6 weeks as part of the subscription deal. Furthermore he promised a lag free experience.

I feel robbed knowing I was mislead into both purchasing this game and subscribing.

I usually have tons of lag on MMORPGs. But I have to say, on this game I don't and it is largely lag free as they promised and my PC is no beast by a long shot.

Now when I first started playing, the game did keep freezing up on me. But closing the launcher from my desktop fixed that. And I do have some occasional combat lag where my abilities skip and the animation is not fluid.

But compared to other MMORPGs - this one runs pretty smooth. I would say the only other MMORPG I have played that compares to this one would be WoW. Which for all its faults, I will admit offered a very smooth-running experience. But aside from that one, it has been better than the others I have played in terms of lag.

Note that I am still leveling up and rarely do Cyrodiil. So if that is where you are encountering your bad lag that might account for the differences in our experience.

FrauPerchta

I want major bug fixes before new content. Like stop fighting and get beat to death bug.

Audigy

Well,

if we are realistic then the 6th week has just finished and honestly most players are not even ready for Craglorn yet.

I assume they roll out Craglorn this week or next, so that makes it 8 weeks in worst case which is still pretty good for an MMO and Craglorn isn't only a raid, but a whole zone with events, quest´s, lore and loads of bug fixes.
That said, I believe ZO had to face a few more issue´s with the game than they thought, so that this caused some additional development time as well and the 6 weeks are still on the table for future releases.

ESO in general was released with a lot of content in first place, sure some people rushed or used exploits and now idle at VR 10, but you should never measure your game on those few %.
The real question in my books is how ZO works on optimizing the client especially in regards of the multi core threading and how their follow up to Craglorn looks like.

Several new MMO´s failed in these two sections most.

Some only supplied the same content like raids (that's WoW´s domain, no need to compete with that), while others didn't improve and fix their client like in Warhammer or SWTOR. Latter didn´t manage with the draw calls and had to lower the textures to medium for its players, while advertising the game with HD textures and I believe its still not fixed.

As for ZO,

ESO was promoted with 4 core support, that however doesn't work yet and leads to huge issue´s especially on AMD CPU´s. This must be fixed ASAP and I do hope that they feature this in the next Ask us All.

Besides that, they promised a large variety in their content patches, many assume that the justice system with the DB and Thieves Guild comes next, including a face changer, but also housing is a big feature for many Elder Scrolls fans and I assume that some of these things will be on high priority for the Design Crew right now.