Light attack macro addon

cohenaj194b14_ESO

I'm looking for an addon to macro light attacks into all dps moves. As the game stands right now to efficiently maximize dps you have to light attack and then cancel the animation before every move. Im just looking for an addon that does that automatically when I try to cast any spell.

Blackwolfe5

I seriously doubt that it's doable with addons. You might be able to do it with third party software or a keyboard/mouse with macros. But I would not recommend it unless you want to risk getting banned.

cohenaj194b14_ESO

Yea im not sure if its allowed or not, but if it is allowed and there's an addon for it, I want it.

I'm also kinda looking for feed back on wheither or not something like this will definitely get you banned or not.

Natjur

Programmable keyboard, so your attack keys (say 1-5) do a light attack then 'skill' attack.

This add-on gives you 12 macros in game, but either way, I think its a 'bug' in the game and they should fix it

Spidermonk

From the TOS:

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums).

Running a macro that would automatically weave the light attack-interrupt combo through all your attacks is against the Terms Of Service and would result in your account getting banned.

That being said...learning to take advantage of the system manually is perfectly fine.

Islyn

That does not equate to macros imo.

zgrssd

Islyn wrote: »

That does not equate to macros imo.

Then there is something wrong in your definition:

A macro (short for "macroinstruction", from Greek μακρο- 'long') in computer science is a rule or pattern that specifies how a certain input sequence (often a sequence of characters) should be mapped to a replacement output sequence (also often a sequence of characters) according to a defined procedure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science)

Making every ability firing to a lightattack/ability/block input combo is the literal definiton of macro.
And is explicitly not allowed by the TOS.

GnatB

zgrssd wrote: »

And is explicitly not allowed by the TOS.

How so?

or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities

If you can do it manually, then it isn't influencing/or advantaging your playing abilities, now is it? It's just reducing wear/tear on your mouse and fingers.

(Disclaimer, not saying I do it, it's easy enough to do manually that it doesn't seem worth the bother of creating the macro on my gaming keyboard. Or are you saying my keyboard isn't authorized hardware and thus falls under perview of the section before the or?)

Haewk

GnatB wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

And is explicitly not allowed by the TOS.

How so?

or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities

If you can do it manually, then it isn't influencing/or advantaging your playing abilities, now is it? It's just reducing wear/tear on your mouse and fingers.

(Disclaimer, not saying I do it, it's easy enough to do manually that it doesn't seem worth the bother of creating the macro on my gaming keyboard. Or are you saying my keyboard isn't authorized hardware and thus falls under perview of the section before the or?)

They are not Zenimax employees and therefore you can completely disregard what they said.

Because macroing is such a grey area you probably should get a clear confirmation from Zenimax that what you are planning to do won't result in you getting banned. This may be a lot more difficult than it sounds.

zgrssd

GnatB wrote: »

If you can do it manually, then it isn't influencing/or advantaging your playing abilities, now is it? It's just reducing wear/tear on your mouse and fingers.

Bots and marko's never do anything you cannot do naturally. By definition bots are "just reducing the personal time you have to invest into the game".
So it is a non-argument that you can do it naturaly.

It's Zenimax game. You made a legally binding statement that you accept the rules.
They cannot forbid you to have a Keyboard/Mouse with macro function. They can however forbid you to use it to weave light attacks into your skill uses. If you want to weave light attacks into your attacks, do it manually. Or you might get banned when you are found out.

Islyn

zgrssd wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

That does not equate to macros imo.

Then there is something wrong in your definition:

A macro (short for "macroinstruction", from Greek μακρο- 'long') in computer science is a rule or pattern that specifies how a certain input sequence (often a sequence of characters) should be mapped to a replacement output sequence (also often a sequence of characters) according to a defined procedure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science)

Making every ability firing to a lightattack/ability/block input combo is the literal definiton of macro.
And is explicitly not allowed by the TOS.

Thanks, but I was referring to:
' or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, '

zdkazz

considering its a unintended feature i doubt this would be legal ontop of that macros are illigal...

zgrssd

Islyn wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

That does not equate to macros imo.

Then there is something wrong in your definition:

A macro (short for "macroinstruction", from Greek μακρο- 'long') in computer science is a rule or pattern that specifies how a certain input sequence (often a sequence of characters) should be mapped to a replacement output sequence (also often a sequence of characters) according to a defined procedure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_(computer_science)

Making every ability firing to a lightattack/ability/block input combo is the literal definiton of macro.
And is explicitly not allowed by the TOS.

Thanks, but I was referring to:
' or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, '

Taking stuff you could do manually and making it automatically is giving you an advatnage to play, is it not?
You have no issues with your fingres being to tired.
You will always do the timing right.

That you want it - that you argue for it to be not an issue - is proof that it does affect your ability to play.

indigoblades

manaully animation canceling is ok but the second u make a add on or use a macro i am sure they will ban u (and should) ... just my two cents

DHBM

According to all the mumbo jumbo above this post, then all gaming keyboards that have programmable keys are not allowed by the TOS. If you take a normal off the shelf keyboard and place it beside one that is designed for gaming it "[influence's and gives an] advantage [To] Your playing abilities."

welp theres goes at least 75% of the MMO community...

Braddass

cwbriggs6ub17_ESO wrote: »

manaully animation canceling is ok but the second u make a add on or use a macro i am sure they will ban u (and should) ... just my two cents

From a practical standpoint, what is the difference? They both accomplish the same thing.

Also, how can they tell who is using a keyboard macro and who is doing it manually?

Vuron

Braddass wrote: »

cwbriggs6ub17_ESO wrote: »

manaully animation canceling is ok but the second u make a add on or use a macro i am sure they will ban u (and should) ... just my two cents

From a practical standpoint, what is the difference? They both accomplish the same thing.

Also, how can they tell who is using a keyboard macro and who is doing it manually?

As the arguments stated above, they accomplish the same thing but one gives a clear advantage. Writing a macro to perform an operation means that it performs that way every time. There is no chance of hitting your skill too soon before your light attack goes off or spamming the sequence too fast if you've got the skill CD built into the macro. There is no chance of a mis-click.

Using the argument that they accomplish the same thing is not a valid argument. The bots used to run around and harvest every node have the same results as doing it manually, but do you think (or does ZOS think) that this isn't breaking the TOS?

To answer your second question, the basic macro programming makes detection rather easy in most cases. The timing between your light attack and skill will be exactly the same every time and this is something that is not possible to do manually.

The definition most often used by gaming companies to explain what is acceptable and what is not is that "one keypress equals one action". Anything more than one action per keypress is considered macroing.

Soloeus

1. Grey Areas are like playing with fire, if you know what I mean. I suggest the maxim that using external software such as Macros to "Gain an Advantage" would get you banned.

2. The difference between manually doing the action, and automating the action with external software is all that matters. Automating the action guarantees greater accuracy, and thus gives an unfair advantage.

Cheatware can be used to perform perfectly timed actions in a predetermined sequence and is a nuisance in any game with or without Animation Cancelling, Wait Timers, Cooldowns, or other devices to regulate Casting Times.

3. Animation Cancelling can get your mana empty and weapon enchantments drained in a matter of seconds. It can be useful to perform a "Burst" where you attempt to rush as much damage as possible for a short duration.

4. This adds a layer of skill for Resource Management. This adds a layer of skill. Knowing how to properly cancel and burst, to me makes it part of the game. It can be used offensively or defensively.

5. If the community is frothing at the mouth like rabid pigs looking for external software to automate the process of following every single light attack by a skill use, Then the issue needs looked into, because any cooldown timer, wait time, casting time, etc. that is coded will become part of Cheatware.

6. This means the problem isn't about Animation Cancelling, but about people using Cheatware to have a greater chance of perfectly timing every action.

zgrssd

DHBM wrote: »

According to all the mumbo jumbo above this post, then all gaming keyboards that have programmable keys are not allowed by the TOS. If you take a normal off the shelf keyboard and place it beside one that is designed for gaming it "[influence's and gives an] advantage [To] Your playing abilities."

They keyboards themself are not forbidden.
Using the macro function is.
It is a hard to detect and proove thing (under the resource limits of a MMO), but if they do it is your account on the line.

Using all of my skills I can do a lot of stuff that would be agains the TOS. As long as I don't, there is not going to be a problem between me and ZOS.


No amount of trying to distract from the invalidity of your point is going to get anyone here to make something we know is against the TOS.
If you want to risk your account it is your thing. But we are not going to risk ours on something that is that obviously against the TOS.

jambam817_ESO

I haven't done so yet, but from what I'm reading, if i used perfectly legitimate Logitech gaming keyboard software that cost me $100 years ago (Logitech G510) i run the chance of getting banned? I have used my macro (G-Keys) in all MMOs since i bought this thing and haven't ran into issues.

pretty lame..

Gillysan

No, what's pretty lame is the lack of common sense. This trying to split hairs with legalize is simply trying to twist the argument in favor of what you hope to accomplish despite common sense saying this is a bad idea.

Like stated above, why would anyone who can make add-on's want to risk their account at the request of someone else? Figure it out yourself and take the full risk yourself or stop pestering others to do the dirty work for you.

Aenra

Spidermonk wrote: »

From the TOS:

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services. Third party tools, the use of ‘bots’, “speed hacks”, “deep-link”, “page-scrape”, “robot”, “spider”, algorithm or other programs that copy or monitor any part of the Services (including, but not limited to, the Game(s) and/or forums).

Running a macro that would automatically weave the light attack-interrupt combo through all your attacks is against the Terms Of Service and would result in your account getting banned

just so, and for a good reason. I do hear Rift is all the rage with macros, i do suggest anyone give it a try if that is their thing. F2P too

Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO

There are macros out there that can do this for you, however:

"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services."

Some hand eye coordination is just as good as any macro.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »

There are macros out there that can do this for you, however:

"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services."

Some hand eye coordination is just as good as any macro.

That's all well and good but Zen will not ban 90% of their cyrodiil player base as that is how many at least that are using macros to weave their light attacks.

Gillysan

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »

There are macros out there that can do this for you, however:

"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services."

Some hand eye coordination is just as good as any macro.

That's all well and good but Zen will not ban 90% of their cyrodiil player base as that is how many at least that are using macros to weave their light attacks.

You know this how? IMO using a macro in pvp is a death sentence. This locks you into some pattern that is easily exploitable by another player that does not macro and has been learning to carefully watch what his/her opponent is doing. Effectively you have turned yourself into an easy to face roll NPC.

Tankqull

Gillysan wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »

There are macros out there that can do this for you, however:

"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services."

Some hand eye coordination is just as good as any macro.

That's all well and good but Zen will not ban 90% of their cyrodiil player base as that is how many at least that are using macros to weave their light attacks.

You know this how? IMO using a macro in pvp is a death sentence. This locks you into some pattern that is easily exploitable by another player that does not macro and has been learning to carefully watch what his/her opponent is doing. Effectively you have turned yourself into an easy to face roll NPC.

well it is much easier to drop your block for a milisecond followed by one keyclick be it mouse or keyboard and immideatly reenable your blocking for roughly a second. instead of weaving the light attack manually.
but i dont care my macros are purly for pot usage in pvp.

GnatB

Gillysan wrote: »

You know this how? IMO using a macro in pvp is a death sentence. This locks you into some pattern that is easily exploitable by another player that does not macro and has been learning to carefully watch what his/her opponent is doing. Effectively you have turned yourself into an easy to face roll NPC.

You're confusing macroing with botting. A macro is (typically) a very short sequence of inputs. i.e. in this discussion, a single light attack followed by a skill. Good macros improve your survivability, even in PvP.

DHBM wrote: »

According to all the mumbo jumbo above this post, then all gaming keyboards that have programmable keys are not allowed by the TOS.

Not even just the ones that have programmable keys. They effectively gave themselves carte blanche to ban pretty much any person at any time, since they technically *can* ban you for using any input device better than a basic keyboard & mouse, which can be argued would include those with a more optimized key/button layout, (think keypad/12 button mouse), or better accuracy (gaming mouse), more responsive buttons, etc. Which likely includes most of their player base. 'Course, just because they can, doesn't mean they will.

That said, I'm pretty sure I read a quote during the guild summit where they explicitly said they will ban people for macroing light attack weaving. So this discussion is pretty moot.

zgrssd wrote: »

GnatB wrote: »

If you can do it manually, then it isn't influencing/or advantaging your playing abilities, now is it? It's just reducing wear/tear on your mouse and fingers.

Bots and marko's never do anything you cannot do naturally. By definition bots are "just reducing the personal time you have to invest into the game".
So it is a non-argument that you can do it naturaly.

Except Bots are explicitly called out as prohibited in the ToS. Macros are not. The only category under which macroing could be prohibited is the bit about hardware/software/other that gives an advantage. Which, as pointed out, includes pretty much every gaming keyboard/mouse. (and, heck. "other support" would probably even include caffeine.)

jackyd

Macroing the light attack weave is not worth it compared to the hassle it is when lag hits and throws off your perfectly timed macro.

Learn to light attack weave naturally and it will feel like dancing

Merlin13KAGL

jambam817_ESO wrote: »

I haven't done so yet, but from what I'm reading, if i used perfectly legitimate Logitech gaming keyboard software that cost me $100 years ago (Logitech G510) i run the chance of getting banned? I have used my macro (G-Keys) in all MMOs since i bought this thing and haven't ran into issues.

pretty lame..

@jambam817_ESO‌ , WoW, that's all I have to say about this.

A certain other MMO, (I won't say the name), actually did that very thing. If it sensed the keyboard driver, it would not let you log in and you were at risk for account ban.

Gillysan wrote: »

No, what's pretty lame is the lack of common sense. This trying to split hairs with legalize is simply trying to twist the argument in favor of what you hope to accomplish despite common sense saying this is a bad idea.

Like stated above, why would anyone who can make add-on's want to risk their account at the request of someone else? Figure it out yourself and take the full risk yourself or stop pestering others to do the dirty work for you.

@Gillysan‌ , they know. They're looking for justification - same as half the 'exploits/not exploits, 'as intended/not intended' threads in this forum.

For everyone else:

From a practical standpoint, it is the same.

It's a technicality. Technicalities are the difference between 25-Life and lunch with your lawyer at Denny's

There is a huge difference between using a macro for /bucketsplash than for what you (fill in name here as appropriate)[/i] refer to and you know it.

ZoS determines by their standards what is and is not ok. Tempt that, and you'll likely find yourself playing another game.

Thechemicals

Get a razor mouse.

xillix666

Using macros is forbidden as far as I know, this was recently announced by ZoS, if you continue to use macros you'll probably get banned. GL