Light attack macro addon

GnatB

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@Gillysan‌ , they know. They're looking for justification - same as half the 'exploits/not exploits, 'as intended/not intended' threads in this forum.

Do "They"?

I've played several other MMO's, some of which embrace macroing to the point of actually having the ability to make them in-game. So just because it's an MMO doesn't mean macros aren't allowed.

Nothing in the ToS specifically calls out macroing as disallowed, and it would be trivial for them to add such a statement. In fact, most MMO's that have a more negative stance towards macros specifically call them out as prohibited. In ESO only thing in the ToS that one can argue prohibits macroing is the overly broad statement:

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities.

That would include any sort of high quality mouse/keyboard/computer that gives you an advantage over other players, even if it's just more responsive/better placed buttons/higher dpi/etc. Heck, one could argue it prohibits caffeine. So, macroing, "in general" is precisely as prohibited as playing under the influence of caffeine. (or with a mouse with better dpi, or keyboard/mouse with better buttons/button layout).

That said, ZoS has specifically stated that light attack macroing is *definitely* prohibited. Which pretty much eliminates all discussion.

AFAIK though, they haven't said anything about macroing in general, and last I looked, there still isn't anything specific about it in the ToS. So, at least for now, other macros are presumably just as "prohibited" as using a 10 button mouse is.

lathbury

GnatB wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@Gillysan‌ , they know. They're looking for justification - same as half the 'exploits/not exploits, 'as intended/not intended' threads in this forum.

Do "They"?

I've played several other MMO's, some of which embrace macroing to the point of actually having the ability to make them in-game. So just because it's an MMO doesn't mean macros aren't allowed.

Nothing in the ToS specifically calls out macroing as disallowed, and it would be trivial for them to add such a statement. In fact, most MMO's that have a more negative stance towards macros specifically call them out as prohibited. In ESO only thing in the ToS that one can argue prohibits macroing is the overly broad statement:

You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities.

That would include any sort of high quality mouse/keyboard/computer that gives you an advantage over other players, even if it's just more responsive/better placed buttons/higher dpi/etc. Heck, one could argue it prohibits caffeine. So, macroing, "in general" is precisely as prohibited as playing under the influence of caffeine. (or with a mouse with better dpi, or keyboard/mouse with better buttons/button layout).

That said, ZoS has specifically stated that light attack macroing is *definitely* prohibited. Which pretty much eliminates all discussion.

AFAIK though, they haven't said anything about macroing in general, and last I looked, there still isn't anything specific about it in the ToS. So, at least for now, other macros are presumably just as "prohibited" as using a 10 button mouse is.

can you link that please just been having this discussion and couldn't find an answer from zos

Lordstarfox

lathbury wrote: »

can you link that please just been having this discussion and couldn't find an answer from zos

This is a response that i got from _ANOTHER_ game company related to similar thing.

We do not give hard rules for what is acceptable. Far too much gray area and we do not want players to skirt edges...<snip>..please report them immediately for a GM to investigate further.

I think its applies pretty well to this game too,doubt we will get a clear statement unless macro weaving turns into massive problem (unless someone can provide a link to statement that was mentioned couple posts above).

If you think someone is using a macro,report him to GM, they will be the ones that make the final decision. If YOU plan to use macro then you do it with the risk of getting a warning/banned. Since this is on grey area i doubt they would flat out ban you though.

Akhratos

I doubt you could call a weapon attack from an addon. Same applies for blocking or using a skill.

Now, there is no built-in addon support in THIS game. I have played many other MMOS (from lineage2 to wow) where you had, and I have also played others (non mmos) where you could control 11 characters (Fifa98), so why cant I do it here? Oh yes, different games... such a little concern for some people.

Games with built-in support for macroing usually let you do a whole lot of things during combat you cant do here, ie equiping weapons from the inventory mid-fight, which makes macros much more useful. In this game, there is nothing like it that would require the use of a macro besides macroing /bucketsplash as someone said.

I cant recall any action combat mmorpg without GCD that allows the use of macros. Could be wrong here, but after playing mmorpgs since the mid-90s, most of mmos with built-in macro support were target-combat and gcd based (most 2nd and 3rd gen mmorpgs like wow, lineage2, warhammer, rift...) and auto-attacks (swings) were not even a part of the macro problem there, as the swings would do their job in the background not stopping you from using active skills even at the same time the swing was being executed.

In fact, all the use related to swings you could make of macros there, was to attach an /attack command before a skill use just to be sure you had the auto-attack activated on target (which used to be lost in some of those target-combat games). There was no other use for macros in combat except for swapping gear from inventory and some other small things like /cancelcast. None of those are of any use in ESO.


So it resumes to the paragraph 2, different games are different games, even if they all resolve to be mmorpgs. This one has no macro support built-in for a reason, so deal with it.

Islyn

zgrssd wrote: »

That you want it - that you argue for it to be not an issue - is proof that it does affect your ability to play.

I didn't argue anything...(wtf?) I don't care at all what you think about whether macroing is acceptable for use in light weaving or not.

I don't care if people do it, don't do it - I mean I literally have no dog in this race.

I just think that some bad players are a bit jelly of good players and accuse them of macroing when really, - they are just better.

Chudbrain

been a long time since i read forums about macros, gamepads, and gaming mouse/keyboards. my conclusion is same as before, this topic is one long forum arguement and zos can ban you for any reason they see fit, so im gonna keep on using xpadder and 360 controller (as reccommended by zos) because there is no controller support. yes zos said to use xpadder if i want and yes zos can ban me for it. im officially not going to give a f#%k about this issue anymore.

Herbatio

Gillysan wrote: »

kelly.medleyb14_ESO wrote: »

Richard.A.Ferrellub17_ESO wrote: »

There are macros out there that can do this for you, however:

"You agree not to use any hardware or software or any other method of support that is not authorized by ZeniMax or that may in any way influence or advantage Your playing abilities, or influence or advantage Your use of the Services."

Some hand eye coordination is just as good as any macro.

That's all well and good but Zen will not ban 90% of their cyrodiil player base as that is how many at least that are using macros to weave their light attacks.

You know this how? IMO using a macro in pvp is a death sentence. This locks you into some pattern that is easily exploitable by another player that does not macro and has been learning to carefully watch what his/her opponent is doing. Effectively you have turned yourself into an easy to face roll NPC.

Dont't think that would help much being ran down by a Zerg. (macros are for......cheaters and SHOULD be dealt with accordingly), alas ZOS isn't going to do squat about it.