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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
Auction House anyone?
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ngendk✭As far as I remember, one of the reasons not to implement it - is the structure of the game world. Essentially everyone is playing on the same server, thus rare items would be common rather quick.
What I dont understand is that instead of exploring other possibilities - they decide on this failed attempt of player interaction. Guild store is a joke and /zone WTB/WTS is just boring and not very innovative.
Why not make a resource central, where you can sell/buy/trade crafting materials. Make them localized so every zone has its own central trading hub.
What about a merchant skill tree, which you can invest skill points in to set up your own shop - essential it could be a house in every major city, where people would set up a shop. You open the trade interface via a NPC seller and chose which shop to access. This should for obvious reasons again not be cross-zone or alliance. Investing more skill points could "upgrade" your shop interface with more features, making the shop more accessible to the customers.
So many possibilities, but instead they run with the most boring one. I really am disappointing that the devs didn't have foresight enough to imagine what would happen, giant Trading Guilds with no player interaction, besides through the guild shop interface. There is even an add-on now where you can search through all the Trading Guilds you are in, making it essentially another MMORPG Action House.
A personal side note: Playing MMO's is about interaction with other players, and the reward it gives when working together. Grinding craft levels is a necessary evil in most MMO's, to get to a point where the crafting skill gets interesting. I don't want a huge time sink, running around looking for materials in various zone chats and Guild Stores. Just so I can construct 500 Glyphs with no use besides getting my skill up. A material trade central would at least help us a little in our grinding nightmare.Edited by ngendk on May 13, 2014 7:47AM3 -
I agree, most people in my guild are in 4 trading guilds, to get the best items.Problem is, that they are only trading all the day long, and if you want to to something together with them, they are not answering in chat, because they are trading with 4 guilds with lootttts of people. That ruined this game. So please make a public trading house for all, so that people in your guild will play together like it should be.2
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Alurria✭✭✭✭✭
✭A public auction house is not needed, the most powerful guilds may control a kiosk for a week. But, you will still be able to buy and sell within the guilds you belong to. A public auction house is not needed because it will devalue weapons, armor and mats. It will also allow the most powerful guilds to control prices and gold sellers to control price. What do you think all those bots are doing in game now? Gathering to sell for high prices to feed the jerks who buy gold for real money.1 -
Khandi✭✭✭pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »A public auction house is not needed, the most powerful guilds may control a kiosk for a week. But, you will still be able to buy and sell within the guilds you belong to. A public auction house is not needed because it will devalue weapons, armor and mats. It will also allow the most powerful guilds to control prices and gold sellers to control price. What do you think all those bots are doing in game now? Gathering to sell for high prices to feed the jerks who buy gold for real money.
Copy and paste much? http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/70211/auction-house-is-a-must#latest
Doesn't make me agree or sway me to your reasoning at all.
Edited by Khandi on May 13, 2014 12:59PMOne should always be in love. That is the reason one should never marry.
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Alurria✭✭✭✭✭
✭pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »A public auction house is not needed, the most powerful guilds may control a kiosk for a week. But, you will still be able to buy and sell within the guilds you belong to. A public auction house is not needed because it will devalue weapons, armor and mats. It will also allow the most powerful guilds to control prices and gold sellers to control price. What do you think all those bots are doing in game now? Gathering to sell for high prices to feed the jerks who buy gold for real money.
Copy and paste much? http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/70211/auction-house-is-a-must#latest
Doesn't make me agree or sway me to your reasoning at all.
I really don't care if you agree with me, and I copy pasted because we keep getting the same repeat threads.1 -
Khandi✭✭✭pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »A public auction house is not needed, the most powerful guilds may control a kiosk for a week. But, you will still be able to buy and sell within the guilds you belong to. A public auction house is not needed because it will devalue weapons, armor and mats. It will also allow the most powerful guilds to control prices and gold sellers to control price. What do you think all those bots are doing in game now? Gathering to sell for high prices to feed the jerks who buy gold for real money.
Copy and paste much? http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/70211/auction-house-is-a-must#latest
Doesn't make me agree or sway me to your reasoning at all.
I really don't care if you agree with me, and I copy pasted because we keep getting the same repeat threads.
Because an AH is needed. Otherwise it would just fade away.
One should always be in love. That is the reason one should never marry.
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Alurria✭✭✭✭✭
✭pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »A public auction house is not needed, the most powerful guilds may control a kiosk for a week. But, you will still be able to buy and sell within the guilds you belong to. A public auction house is not needed because it will devalue weapons, armor and mats. It will also allow the most powerful guilds to control prices and gold sellers to control price. What do you think all those bots are doing in game now? Gathering to sell for high prices to feed the jerks who buy gold for real money.
Copy and paste much? http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/70211/auction-house-is-a-must#latest
Doesn't make me agree or sway me to your reasoning at all.
I really don't care if you agree with me, and I copy pasted because we keep getting the same repeat threads.
Because an AH is needed. Otherwise it would just fade away.
In your opinion, however I disagree it's not needed because of the reasons I stated.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Guild shops are annoying & not practical!!!
I could not agree more on this topic!!! All MMORPG games I have played had a central auction house or broker. It puts EVERYTHING for sale in 1 easy place to find what you want from EVERYBODY on the server! It promotes supply and demand on a grand scale. I like to play the auction house and think I'm pretty good at it. I have made good money from doing so. Would need to set up categories for items and then make it so we can see sales history. A good search engine for items would be needed as well.
Auction house makes so much common sense I can not stress it enough! Everything all in one place for players to buy what they need/want!!! With guild stores you just dont get that, sadly!
I think maybe they was trying to be different from other MMORPG's but some things you just shouldn't change that work the best. I think it was a very nice try but it truly is not the best way and to be honest I hardly ever bother to look through 5 different guild stores for something I need/want cuz its a pain in the ars!
Auction house!!! PLEASE make it happen. We love you hard working guys/gals!
So this tells me, you played a bunch of bland MMORPGs that can't do anything but copy one another. Yea, lets not do that.
You guys want an Auction house? Then why don't people make some public events where everyone can meet up and do old fashion Auctions.
Yup that means someone stands in the middle and auctions off items ppl want auctioned.
A thriving economy makes MMORPGs less bland Cudda. Not more.
And expecting people to organize and hold their own auctions isn't going to happen. Very few people have that kind of time on their hands to waste doing something so trivial and boring.
Edited by Jeremy on May 13, 2014 2:50PM3 -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭Drachenfier wrote: »Sorry, too late. It has heal spells and Elves, just like WoW.
ES has always had elves and healing spells, genius.
Goes to show how moronic the argument is that if ES had an AH it would become a WoW clone....genius.2 -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭As far as I remember, one of the reasons not to implement it - is the structure of the game world. Essentially everyone is playing on the same server, thus rare items would be common rather quick.
That, by definition, means they're not rare. Seriously?
All I'm seeing is a bunch of people that want to keep items artificially rare by limiting the market, therefore trying to gouge fellow players.2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Drachenfier wrote: »As far as I remember, one of the reasons not to implement it - is the structure of the game world. Essentially everyone is playing on the same server, thus rare items would be common rather quick.
All I'm seeing is a bunch of people that want to keep items artificially rare by limiting the market, therefore trying to gouge fellow players.
This is what I'm seeing too.3 -
As an economist I can say the current implementation of an auction house for in guild really hurts the economy. Price gouging is rampant and even being a member in several large trading guilds selling and buying is really slow, if stuff sells at all.
The developers argument of rare items becoming too common displays a fundamental misunderstanding of how economies work. If it is rare and desirable, its price will go up until supply and demand meet. With a larger number of sellers comes a much much larger number of buyers too. So the only consequence of a server wide auction house would be a fair and relatively stable price.
In addition, larger markets are much harder to manipulate and for every seller fearing for his inflated prices a there are dozens of buyers that cannot afford the items.
So right now we see a failed economy. A server wide auction house, please with much improved search and classification options, might not fix all of that, but it would sure help.3 -
Xithian✭✭✭spammichtotb16_ESO wrote: »As an economist I can say the current implementation of an auction house for in guild really hurts the economy. Price gouging is rampant and even being a member in several large trading guilds selling and buying is really slow, if stuff sells at all.
The developers argument of rare items becoming too common displays a fundamental misunderstanding of how economies work. If it is rare and desirable, its price will go up until supply and demand meet. With a larger number of sellers comes a much much larger number of buyers too. So the only consequence of a server wide auction house would be a fair and relatively stable price.
In addition, larger markets are much harder to manipulate and for every seller fearing for his inflated prices a there are dozens of buyers that cannot afford the items.
So right now we see a failed economy. A server wide auction house, please with much improved search and classification options, might not fix all of that, but it would sure help.
Then as an economist, how do you see guild stalls affecting things? I think it's a nice meeting point between the two arguments, and it will allow guilds of all sellers vs a random mix of people that just want to trade.0 -
LadyInTheWater✭✭✭I have read dozens of excellent arguments as to why we need an auction house
Give me ONE. And then link me the thread where it appears. Don't give me a laundry list, and nothing vague and ambiguous about blah blah economy and blah blah thriving community. Give me ONE specific, solid reason why we need an auction house in-game.What I haven't read is any decent argument as to why we shouldn't.
Our goal is to make the economy more player-based, but not to have a system that allows you to find anything at any time because there are so many players involved on a megaserver. With extremely large communities, low-percentage drops can become highly available in auction houses. It ends up harming the “gear chase” portion of the game.
From the eloquent fingers of the developers themselves.
The link is here:
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en-uk/news/post/2014/05/12/ask-us-anything-variety-pack-14?ref=home
The moment you call someone stupid, or try to display your opinion as "fact", you lose all credibility.1 -
Requiemslove✭✭✭Can I suggest this thread is closed. There is another much larger thread on this issue and there is no reason for this to be here, it should be consolidated into the much larger thread IMO. On the subject of an Auction house, I feel its what many want out of a need for familiarity, but can I stress, not every mmo has to be the same, and in fact, no, this is NOT a WoW clone, and many other MMOs actually are not WoW clones either and do things BETTER than WoW ever did. I also feel it has to be said many players want specific things, such as a AH out of some false sense of entitlement due to older games. The reality is ESO does not have to go down the same tired old road many have done before. I hope ESO sticks to its guns and NEVER creates an auction house dynamic, and seriously guys, if you don't like that, cant stand that, hit the road or put up and shut up.1
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Lukati_K✭✭✭LadyInTheWater wrote: »Give me ONE specific, solid reason why we need an auction house in-game.
The value of a want is not always a need. Bearing this in mind, there is no true need for an AH.
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ZOS_LenaicR✭✭✭✭Hi guys,
Closing this thread has a discussion has already been created regarding Auction House.
Please understand that we're trying to compile information from players in the same place. It will be easier for us to raise your requests.
Thanks for your comprehension.0
This discussion has been closed.