Please remove the soft caps (diminishing returns)

ralurielb16_ESO

The current soft caps are way too low and inhibiting. Are they even needed at all? Surely only a hard cap is needed.

When wearing a full set of blue heavy armour is enough to soft cap your armour rating what is the point of racial traits like Nord Rugged (adds armour). What is the point of skills/abilities that increase armour? What is the point of armour increasing enchants?

Repeat above example for many other different combinations.

Let us play our characters how we want to play them rather than forcing everybody to adopt a cookie-cutter stat ratio enforced by the diminishing returns system.

AlliN

What is the point of skills/abilities that increase armour?

So you could wear light\medium for magicka\stamina regen and cost reduction\crit while still have the same damage reduction?

Actualy, this system rewards people who like to tinker with the stats not do cookie cutter copy paste builds.

Ever thought of chosing nord so you can have the durability of unbuffed heavy armor while wearing 5xlight+2xmed? Ever thought of going Breton for spell resist, so you could wear heavy armor and still softcap spell resistance?

I gess some peopel might like "put all into stamina" types of gearing, but that so old and shallow, I don't see how that may appeal to TES series fan.

p.hurst1b16_ESO

I agree completely, even a full set of White crafted heavy armour hits the soft cap and wrecks all the defensive abilities.

The ludicrous scaling down of enchants on crafted boots, gloves , shoulder and belt is also disappointing.

This game seems to have more and more issues the longer I play it.

Now there are even bots that CANNOT be soft targeted.

I suggest giving it one more month and then offering us free perma beta while the game gets sorted out in every respect.

Back when MMO's were new maybe we were a naive audience but this is 2014 and there is NO excuse for poor security and imbalanced game mechanics.

South_of_Heaven

AlliN wrote: »

What is the point of skills/abilities that increase armour?

So you could wear light\medium for magicka\stamina regen and cost reduction\crit while still have the same damage reduction?

Actualy, this system rewards people who like to tinker with the stats not do cookie cutter copy paste builds.

Ever thought of chosing nord so you can have the durability of unbuffed heavy armor while wearing 5xlight+2xmed? Ever thought of going Breton for spell resist, so you could wear heavy armor and still softcap spell resistance?

I gess some peopel might like "put all into stamina" types of gearing, but that so old and shallow, I don't see how that may appeal to TES series fan.

What a load... this system rewards people who THINK they are tinkering with the skills while being homogenized clones.

Ever thought that all these combinations you are trying to think are leading to the bloody same point?

"Cookie-cutter", "min-maxing", I swear I will throw up if I hear these words again as an argument against diversity.

AlliN

"Cookie-cutter", "min-maxing", I swear I will throw up if I hear these words again as an argument against diversity.

Ok, so, what do you propose? Becase if you want to tell me, with removal of softcap stacking magicka and magicka regen ad infinitum won't be the ONLY reasonable way to go, becasue it scales far better than stamina and allows spamming of extremally potent spells forever, then you are wrong - it was rehersed in one of the closed betas, and no, it led to a disaster.

Without it crystal shard+heavy charge staff spam WAS the ultimate one button dps rotation. That's what wou would get without softcaps in the current skill system. Every class was just stacking m+mr and spamming a spell with the best scaling coefficient.

THAT'S diversity for you? Ok...

South_of_Heaven

AlliN wrote: »

"Cookie-cutter", "min-maxing", I swear I will throw up if I hear these words again as an argument against diversity.

Ok, so, what do you propose? Becase if you want to tell me, with removal of softcap stacking magicka and magicka regen ad infinitum won't be the ONLY reasonable way to go, becasue it scales far better than stamina and allows spamming of extremally potent spells forever, then you are wrong - it was rehersed in one of the closed betas, and no, it led to a disaster.

There are infinite other ways to balance out things without taking the choice away from the players themselves. I have posted about solutions too many times already, won't do it again, besides, they are obvious and they will go to waste.

AlliN

The choice you are talking about, is, basically, stacking one favourite stat, and one support stat - becasue that's how EVERY possible point distribution will be most effective. On the opposite side of the spectrum you have WoW and it's crit,haste,armor penetration etc, that without diminishing returns always ended up in having a specific trait worth more than others. So, Str+haste, agi+arpen, int+crit or mix of those, class and spec dependant, not player choice dependant.

This is not a choice. Every system with opened stat level will be just an excell chart, with one thing comming on top. With the softcap, most of the time stacked stat will be worth less, than other options - and that gives you a choice between alternate routes, like extra stamian regen, more attack speed, higher armor, higher spell resist etc etc. - because there is only one damage stat per stamina/magicka based skills, one crit rate for it and one regen. You HAVE to go some other route, and what route, that's your choice.

Becasue for example, in PVP without softcaps, after effective health would be calculated for every skill - and effective health counter (damage stats) would be calculated - all it takes is to stack the most efficient stat. And that's it - "choice" dissapears, and your approach is also a lie.

ralurielb16_ESO

AlliN wrote: »

I gess some peopel might like "put all into stamina" types of gearing, but that so old and shallow, I don't see how that may appeal to TES series fan.

Yes, regardless of how unfashionable or lacking in depth, some people might want to do this and they can't. Hence removal of choice. Thanks for proving my point.

AlliN

ralurielb16_ESO wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

I gess some peopel might like "put all into stamina" types of gearing, but that so old and shallow, I don't see how that may appeal to TES series fan.

Yes, regardless of how unfashionable or lacking in depth, some people might want to do this and they can't. Hence removal of choice. Thanks for proving my point.

Your point was

Let us play our characters how we want to play them rather than forcing everybody to adopt a cookie-cutter stat ratio enforced by the diminishing returns system.

Thing is, what you ask creates excell spreadsheet cookie cutter builds. You just don't want to see it, becasue you want to stack your damage or hp and ignore other stats. In a matter of fact, thanks for proving my point.

ralurielb16_ESO

South_of_Heaven wrote: »

What a load... this system rewards people who THINK they are tinkering with the skills while being homogenized clones.

Ever thought that all these combinations you are trying to think are leading to the bloody same point?

"Cookie-cutter", "min-maxing", I swear I will throw up if I hear these words again as an argument against diversity.

Exactly, totally agree.

If a tank wears full heavy + shield + enchants + abilities/traits I would expect them to have far better armour/mitigation than someone with mismatch armour and a few to no ability/traits alas rewarding them for their speciality. The current system equalizes the two above examples to net only marginal difference.

Aenima_pt

I agree that at least the softcap for armor should be a bit higher.
Since i wear full heavy armor that im soft caped, so thats like since im level 5. No matter if the armor is white or purple if i have full heavy armor for my char level it will be softcaped.

Achieving a softcap wearing only white and unchanted items, is just bad design for me.

Blackwidow

AlliN wrote: »

I gess some peopel might like "put all into stamina" types of gearing, but that so old and shallow, I don't see how that may appeal to TES series fan.

Yes, letting a player play the style they like to play. Why oh why would that appeal to a TES fan?

Thing is, what you ask creates excell spreadsheet cookie cutter builds.

Wait.

First you argue TES players would not even want that choice. Now you argue, if given that choice everyone would choose it.

Make up your mind.


If i want to play a glass cannon mage, put all my points into mana, but have almost no hp, that should be a choice allowed in ESO.

ShintaiDK

The soft cap just for wearing heavy armour is silly. I can understand a softcap when using the reinforced trait. But for regular it simply shouldnt be possible.

Paske

I have to say - soft cap pi**es me off more then it should.

Blue geared, with epic staff, all my gear 3-8 lvls lower then needed - Im caped !

Whats the point of getting epic gear then ?
Sh*ts and giggles ?

Since I can get caped with blue gear easy.

Its a theme park MMO. Large part of it is acquiring cool gear - armor / weapons and the like. That beside cosmetics give you boosted stats.

With soft cap its simply pointless.

Mephos

soft caps make you experiment with your build. you hit the soft cap of armor with only racials and armor. how about changing your armor and gain additional bonuses like more magicka, more stamina reg?

I have 800 armor with light armor, but still with skills over 2k (bone armor) and can easy maintain this armor with 55 magicka regeneration infight.

think out of your box and the soft caps will not bother you that much.

if they really lift the soft caps then you are almost forced to go the full way for armor + armor skills etc. to get the maximum out of it.

don´t like the idea that much. I really like the current system which allows you to experiment with every skill and armor

Blackwidow

Mephos wrote: »

soft caps make you experiment with your build.

I don't need to be forced to experiment with my build.

I want to play and experiment with my build because I choose to, not because ZOS wants us to play their way at every turn.

Xnemesis

The over charge cap is not as bad as everyone thinks you still get 50% of your stats over cap with no further penalties. So go ahead and stack whatever stat you want. I am a NB with capped magicka and health. Doesn't mean I am going to go and start stacking stamina no its worthless to my build. If I ever do reach a hardcap then Id worry.

ZakyUchiha

I think making the soft caps slightly higher due to the Craglorn patch, since we will get better gear and higher VR level. We can already easily soft cap everything without even having the best gear.

AlliN

First you argue TES players would not even want that choice. Now you argue, if given that choice everyone would choose it.

You did not understand what I've said or you are putting words in my mouth on purpose. My mind is made up, what you've made up, though, is that I said EVERYONE would take that way. And surely I never said that tes players would not want anything. I said, that having to stack one stat is not appealing to someone who likes freedom of creating builds. We are not talking single player here, you know, players going less-than-efficient routes won't be "first pick" at all.

It does not change the fact, that removal of softcap would create peak and sub-optimal builds, becasue you will see things like "LF DD sorcerer magicka stacking only plz, no hybrids", becasue CHART-WISE those builds would be most eficient, so the system would either force people speccing into a stat-stacking build, or be amongst "those others" that are far from optimal damage/healing/effecive hp output.

Yes, letting a player play the style they like to play.

Next time you play chess, move your pawns like rooks and tell everyone that's the style you want to play. Softcap is a game rule, that you have to plan around, so, instead of finding a best solution in given environment, you want to change the rules so the only way would be the simplest one. Wow, that's some challenge, stacking one stat. Armor softcap should be higher, I agree, but overall that mechanic makes it more interesting and prevents stupid stat hoarding.

But, I see, that lots of recount obsessed people still want the same game in a different package.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO

Negative, Ghost Rider.

Soloeus

AlliN wrote: »

Ever thought of going Breton for spell resist, so you could wear heavy armor and still softcap spell resistance?

SSHHHHH! Don't tell everyone!!

Mephos

Blackwidow wrote: »

Mephos wrote: »

soft caps make you experiment with your build.

I don't need to be forced to experiment with my build.

I want to play and experiment with my build because I choose to, not because ZOS wants us to play their way at every turn.

you sound like a little child.. but anyway. then do it. 50% reduced stats for overcharge is not bad. you can still gain a pretty high amount of every stat in the game.

btw.. the freedom in this game regarding skills and how you can play is way better then any other MMORPG out there. just play wow.. you get a set of X skills, one bread and butter skillung and thats it.

diversity in this game is huge.. no other game invites you to experiment as much as this.

ralurielb16_ESO

Blackwidow wrote: »

Mephos wrote: »

soft caps make you experiment with your build.

I don't need to be forced to experiment with my build.

I want to play and experiment with my build because I choose to, not because ZOS wants us to play their way at every turn.

Agree 100%.

Mephos wrote: »

you sound like a little child.. but anyway. then do it. 50% reduced stats for overcharge is not bad. you can still gain a pretty high amount of every stat in the game.

Please don't be rude.

AlliN

I don't need to be forced to experiment with my build.

I want to play and experiment with my build because I choose to, not because ZOS wants us to play their way at every turn.

Becasue now, as it is, you can't stack a single stat. You just can't. You PC explodes when you do it. You said, hardcaps are ok, so, what's the problem really? that you get only 50% of stacked stat vaule? IT's the same for everyone, so it does not change a thing if you chose to stack one stat, everyone has the same results with it. Person that stacks one stat over the softcap will have more damage that person who stops at softcap. So, do you really only care about how big is the number you get? there:

9001

You may copy it, and then paste it every time someone asks what's your dps
/Eyeroll.

Besides, diminishing returns are something new to you in mmo games?

Blackwidow

An A-hole says what....

Mephos wrote: »

you sound like a little child..

just play wow..

Blackwidow

AlliN wrote: »

you will see things like "LF DD sorcerer magicka stacking only plz, no hybrids",

Nobody can even see your builds, so WTF are you talking about?

Blackwidow

AlliN wrote: »

I don't need to be forced to experiment with my build.

I want to play and experiment with my build because I choose to, not because ZOS wants us to play their way at every turn.

Becasue now, as it is, you can't stack a single stat. You just can't. You PC explodes when you do it. You said, hardcaps are ok

If you are going to quote me, get your facts straight. I never said anything about hard caps.

AlliN

If you are going to quote me, get your facts straight. I never said anything about hard caps.

1. Indeed, OP said, my mistake
2. It does not change the fact yo ucan still stack any stat as much as you want.
3. Somehow you had no problems with misquoting me, and now you are so butthurt about it...
4. Learn to edit your own posts, you are making a mess.

Blackwidow

AlliN wrote: »

If you are going to quote me, get your facts straight. I never said anything about hard caps.

1. Indeed, OP said, my mistake
2. It does not change the fact yo ucan still stack any stat as much as you want.
3. Somehow you had no problems with misquoting me, and now you are so butthurt about it...
4. Learn to edit your own posts, you are making a mess.

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I never misquoted you.

you said--"....I don't see how that may appeal to TES series fan."

I said--First you argue TES players would not even want that choice.

So, not only did I not quote you, but I was accurate in my statement.
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The downside of this is you are afraid people will make cookie cutter classes. So, i ask you, so what?

You will never be able to tell. It would never affect your game.

So, why do you care?

P.S. pointing out that you misquoted me and said nothing else other than that somehow makes me "butthurt" really shows your maturity.

Ryoendymon

I have to agree the soft caps are a bit low.... Every time I make a new char, I craft them a weapon (or two) and beef it to blue or purple quality, and it soft caps until the next material (iron being the obvious exception seeing as it lasts so many levels) like my oricalc (sp?) greatsword on my high elf, I got it to purple....at the lowest level you could use that mat to make a weapon....I didn't need to replace it until dwarven, and even then it had JUST come out of soft cap.

Brayton

So, if I decide the soft caps are the way to go and enjoy the system, I have to pander to your new system, even though I entered the game knowing there were soft caps.
Bugs and balance can be a serious issue in MMOs, but game systems as they stand are what we buy into. I didn't like FF14's system and I quit. There are still thousands of people playing that game, who love it.
This game will not break because of the soft caps. Never fix something that is not broken. If you want to stack everything in one stat, you can. You simply get less return on the stat. Either accept it or work round it.
Incidentally, I want more grinding in groups like the old days. Would I rant about it on a forum? No. Because I don't have to play this game. It is not an obligation.