Why is the letter å not available in this game?

Amiarah · May 2014

As the title says why is the swedish letter å not available in this game?
ä and ö is but not å. Seems like a weird thing to restrict imo.

Fairydragon3 · May 2014

game is not supported for sewdish language so they did not support your specific keyboard

Amiarah · May 2014

Yeah, so make it supported, cant be that hard. Other games have done it.

class101 · May 2014

I guess they want for example to forbid the use of names like Amiarah Amiaräh Amiåräh and you don't really want someone to take them too

OzzyNOR · May 2014

Just another oversight on behalf of Zenimax on the long list of oversights any basic MMO developer should be aware of. I'm sure it will be fixed in time. Though this shouldn't have been a problem at release, it's pretty amateurish. ÆØÅ!

Amiarah · May 2014

You can have 4 spaces in a name. So I have 3 characters, all named Amiarah but with different surnames. Not a valid point really. The entire server can have the same first name basically.

Agree Ozzy, its a small thing, but being in a swedish guild among others, it makes it hard to communicate normally.

OzzyNOR · May 2014

Amiarah wrote: »

Agree Ozzy, its a small thing, but being in a swedish guild among others, it makes it hard to communicate normally.

It's not really a small thing though if you compile it with all the other "small things" that are screwed up. This oversight is actually a bit of an insult to all players from Scandinavia, luckily I'm not easily offended, instead I find it rather hilarious that such basic stuff wasn't fixed at release.

Rousseaux · May 2014

And no one cares about Cyrillic characters.

Amiarah · May 2014

It's not really a small thing though if you compile it with all the other "small things" that are screwed up. This oversight is actually a bit of an insult to all players from Scandinavia, luckily I'm not easily offended, instead I find it rather hilarious that such basic stuff wasn't fixed at release.

Yeah, neither am I. But it´s starting to get annoying now =D

Rousseaux wrote: »

And no one cares about Cyrillic characters.

Based on what facts? As you see, your statement is false.

Starnes · May 2014

Yeah it'd be nice they fix it, especially for those Nord racial names, which I don't feel should be so heavily anglicised.

RedMiniStapler · May 2014

is that really a problem?
å = aa

Amiarah · May 2014

When you are used in typing å as å and nothing else, then yes. But that´s not the point really. Why not just support it, and be done? If everyone was always happy and adjusted, nothing would ever change. Small problem, but yes a problem.

OzzyNOR · May 2014

Amiarah wrote: »

When you are used in typing å as å and nothing else, then yes. But that´s not the point really. Why not just support it, and be done? If everyone was always happy and adjusted, nothing would ever change. Small problem, but yes a problem.

There's too many on these forums willing to bend over backwards with silly "self made inconvenient fixes" because...well I don't know, maybe they think that is a way of "defending" the game, when most of us can see that it actually needs a lot of polish. The best way to defend this game is to help make it a better one.

Rosveen · May 2014

/signed

class101 wrote: »

I guess they want for example to forbid the use of names like Amiarah Amiaräh Amiåräh and you don't really want someone to take them too

Then they'd have restricted all diacritical marks, including umlauts or acutes. But they didn't. Besides, while it's completely understandable why they'd be disallowed in character names, there is no reason to remove them from chat.

Guizan · May 2014

The letter å work in /bug, it is only a matter of adding it in the list of acceptable characters in chat/mail, and the same goes for ø, æ of Danish and Norwegian, and ñ for the Spanish.

We dont demand localized content, just the ability to communicate in our guild chats.

Amiarah · May 2014

Guizan wrote: »

We dont demand localized content, just the ability to communicate in our guild chats.

That is oh so true. That is what we want.

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO · May 2014

The game supports 3 languages, English - French and German... so they supports those specific keyboards... Supporting "all" keyboard types would mean 33 at the last... probably a few more out there that I forgot.

I know it sucks... I use an AZERTY (belgian) so it's not fully supported either as it's slightly different then the French AZERTY one.

So I "do" understand your pain, but having to suport, Danish, Finish, Iranian, Pakistani, Austrian German, Swiss German, Swiss French, Swiss Italian, Italian, Spanish, Latin American Spanish, Portugees, Latin American Portugees, Islandic, Russian, Swedish, Brazilian (yeah, they got their own one) Asian, Hindi...

Well... you see where I'm going right ? It's the reason most games state which languages are supported... Cause doing it in "all" languages would be rather expensive, and extensive

The letter å work in /bug, it is only a matter of adding it in the list of acceptable characters in chat/mail, and the same goes for ø, æ of Danish and Norwegian, and ñ for the Spanish.

That is untrue ofcourse, as that would serve you and your country men, but leave more then half the world in the cold... namely the Chinese and the Indians (not the Native American type but the India ones

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But again, I do feel your pain...

Just for a reference : matadornetwork.com/abroad/the-ultimate-guide-to-computer-keyboards-around-the-world/

murklor007neb18_ESO · May 2014

stefaan.de.wasch1b16_ESO wrote: »

Well... you see where I'm going right ? It's the reason most games state which languages are supported... Cause doing it in "all" languages would be rather expensive, and extensive

... you do realize that å is part of the extended ASCII table? You know, the same table that contain English, German, French and half a dozen other languages and which ESO probably already use since you can type them in /bug?

Its not expensive or extensive. They just need to fix their damn game. I wonder if this is something as stupid as the server using the regular ASCII table instead of extended. Because that would be dumb.

No wait, that would be impossible since other special letters work which arent part of the standard ASCII, they're part of extended too. In other words, ESO is activly blocking certain letters in chat.

AlexDougherty · May 2014

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

In other words, ESO is activly blocking certain letters in chat.

No, they just aren't supporting the extended ASCII codes, there is a difference.

Just to be clear, I want them to support the extended ASCII codes, and allow everyone to use their letters, but accusing them of actively blocking letters is inflamatory.

murklor007neb18_ESO · May 2014

AlexDougherty wrote: »

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

In other words, ESO is activly blocking certain letters in chat.

No, they just aren't supporting the extended ASCII codes, there is a difference.

Just to be clear, I want them to support the extended ASCII codes, and allow everyone to use their letters, but accusing them of actively blocking letters is inflamatory.

But they do support it. Sort of. That's the problem. They support some of the extended ASCII letters but not others. Ö and Ä work perfectly fine in chat. These are part of the extended ASCII. Which only lead to the conclusion that they are actively blocking Å.

How else would you explain it?

Maotti · May 2014

I'm norwegian and this is extrenely annoying! Hope you add this in soon Zenimax!

Sakiri · May 2014

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

game is not supported for sewdish language so they did not support your specific keyboard

Bug report window uses them.

Only text input that doesnt is chat. Also doesnt support ñ which is critical to Spanish and ç used in French. Get over yourself, please.

Sakiri · May 2014

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

In other words, ESO is activly blocking certain letters in chat.

No, they just aren't supporting the extended ASCII codes, there is a difference.

Just to be clear, I want them to support the extended ASCII codes, and allow everyone to use their letters, but accusing them of actively blocking letters is inflamatory.

But they do support it. Sort of. That's the problem. They support some of the extended ASCII letters but not others. Ö and Ä work perfectly fine in chat. These are part of the extended ASCII. Which only lead to the conclusion that they are actively blocking Å.

How else would you explain it?

Theyre used in, but not technically part of, German. French uses some as well.

Rosveen · May 2014

Sakiri wrote: »

Fairydragon3 wrote: »

game is not supported for sewdish language so they did not support your specific keyboard

Bug report window uses them.

Only text input that doesnt is chat. Also doesnt support ñ which is critical to Spanish and ç used in French. Get over yourself, please.

The game is localized in French and doesn't even support all French letters? o.O

OzzyNOR · May 2014

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

How else would you explain it?

Probably just an oversight, which there are many of in this game.

DissidentRage · May 2014

Maotti_Nor wrote: »

I'm norwegian and this is extrenely annoying! Hope you add this in soon Zenimax!

Yeah, I'm quite annoyed that æ is supported but not å or ø.

Chiraku · May 2014

I agree the number 1 priority for this game should be to make the letter å available in this game.
Its not that there is anything other then just that, that is important.

Sorry just had to, are we really having a topic about a letter?

Sakiri · May 2014

This isnt the first topic made about this. I can almost excuse not having Cyrillic or Arabic but ñ? Å? Ø? What the hell man?

DissidentRage · May 2014

Chiraku wrote: »

I agree the number 1 priority for this game should be to make the letter å available in this game.
Its not that there is anything other then just that, that is important.

Sorry just had to, are we really having a topic about a letter?

Just because something isn't important in the bigger scheme of things doesn't mean it shouldn't be fixed. Moreover it's something that shouldn't take a lot of time to support, whether they're using UTF-8, ISO-8859-1, WIN-1252 or even IBM CP 437. Since I don't know the ins and outs of the messaging services I can't pretend to know how the data is being passed between clients and the server, but this is usually a trivial problem that can be solved by using a library if you can't be arsed to learn how to encode/decode byte strings manually (it can be tedious so who can blame you?).

BTW, the characters mentioned here are not Cyrillic as the Nordic languages are Germanic or Uralic, not Slavic. Locking out the use of this character hinders communication for a sizable chunk of Europe rather than a single country.

Sakiri · May 2014

Yes, dissident, but people have kvetched about requests to add it. I can understand that to a degree(but would still support it), however, theres no excuse for a game with a EU server to cut out half a dozen or so letters used by much of Europe.

pborerb16_ESO · May 2014

I think this can be no technical issue. From a technical point of view, supporting å (currently not supported for chat) is exactly the same thing as supporting æ and ä (both currently supported); in fact, to get a bit more technical, regardless of whether the game is using the somewhat antiquated ISO-8859-1 or the current UTF-8 standard, these letters would all be included anyway.

So, from a purely technical point of view, it would be easier to support all of these letters with diacritics resp. special letters instead of only some of them. This leads me to agree with murklor007neb18_ESO who concludes "ESO is actively blocking certain letters in chat" - probably they did this to reduce bypassing filters etc. by using various letter variants, but I think the benefit for the ESO players, many having not English, French, or German as native language and who would like to communicate e.g. with their guild members in their own language, should outweigh this.