Will we every get Roleplay phasing?

Pretext

Recently in a question and answer session Zenimax backed away from their former position that we would be able to select roleplaying in the same way you select a language.

They did say they were still working on putting something in that would help but a Roleplaying phase selector could not be implemented.

I know many like me feel this is very important, it may take time but I am still hoping Zenimax will give us this.

So lets keep asking!

Moonscythe

I second that. It would at least partially fill the function of the questionnaire they mentioned early on that would have been able to put us with like-minded players.

Elsonso

Pretext wrote: »

Recently in a question and answer session Zenimax backed away from their former position that we would be able to select roleplaying in the same way you select a language.

They did say they were still working on putting something in that would help but a Roleplaying phase selector could not be implemented.

"This was something we very much wanted to do. However, when we implemented the initial parts of it, it became obvious it would be detrimental to server performance. Like many things you really want to do as a developer, sometimes things don't work out. That said, we are looking at other ways we can accomplish the same goal."

I just wanted to add to the conversation what Zenimax said so that people would have a better context regarding why.

Thesiren

Start an RP guild, or join one- if there are half as many RPers in-game as the few on these forums like to make it seem, then our megaserver should be rolling in RP guilds already.

Cry_Wolfe

as someone who'd love an RP campaign even if only for my internal dialog RP ... i have to ask, how do you exclude the trolls?
you can enforce active RP on participants, but you cannot enforce the way people choose to RP, opening the loophole for ....

Laerrus

I am not bashing Zenimax, I think they have done a great job with their freshman effort of introducing a new MMO but, putting players together of different gaming types and goals on one server was not a good idea.

PvE players want the freedom to name their characters freely and to focus on the endgame dungeons/raids.

PvP'ers want intense faction vs. faction vs. faction play as well as the strong server community that comes with this type of game play.

Immersion is perhaps the most important to RP'ers along with a strong server community that this style of play builds.

From my experience with other MMO's these major types usually do not play well together. Plenty of times I have seen a PvE'er go emo on a PvP'er for getting ganked or have seen RP'ers get subject to harassment from one or both of the other gaming types.

So split the megaserver up into separate PvE, PvP, PvP-RP, and RP servers or components. I think this will go a long way towards making everyone happy.

nudel

Laerrus wrote: »

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So split the megaserver up into separate PvE, PvP, PvP-RP, and RP servers or components. I think this will go a long way towards making everyone happy.

Please no. As someone who enjoys the PVE, the PVP, and the immersion, I don't want to have to play on three different servers. Your observation has merit. Your solution does not.

Pretext

We are just talking one extra tag here, for roleplaying. I have not seen a big push for any more. I agree splitting us up too much would be detrimental, but Zenimax only previously agreed to roleplayer phasing nothing else.

It is somewhat hard to believe that a RP phase tag would decrease performance, you are decreasing the number of players in a phase. I think it would only effect transfer between zone time.

Guilds do help, but for 'random' roleplaying the current phasing is a real issue.

Zenimax have said they are still trying to find a way to put roleplayers together, fingers crossed guys!

TicToc

I think the issue is that phasing isn't currently working as well as they had hoped. I imagine that they want to work the bugs out of the phasing system before adding more potential problems to it.

Quinz128ub17_ESO

I agree to the phasing not seeming to work as well as they hoped. I mean, I did join an RP guild and I would figure 'okay, when I zone it should prioritize and dumb me in the same phase as them!'

Noooope!

If I don't specifically 'travel to player' I have yet to have my guildmates be in the same phase. I thought being in a guild would make it so you always phased to your guildmates? And yes all 4, at one point, was in the same phase talking together and I just walked into the zone, and no one was there. Quite frustrating.

As for the RP flag for phasing? Oh dear god please let -something- like this happen. I mean, I'd like there to be a chance where I can RP with someone in the field. All that usually happens, come up to someone help slay something, go to type something in character and off they run! I figured people would have local and emote channels up, if not zone.

Paks_ESO

I think one temporary solution to RPers finding each other would be to add an option to the LFG feature that lets you search for RPers.

For a more permanent fix, Zeni could add a tag to Options that you could check identifying you as an RPer, so just like with groups you could phase to where others with the same tag are, but do it on a larger scale.

If you check the box just so you can harass RPers and get reported the GM can make sure the box is unchecked and grayed out so you can't phase with RPers anymore. And since the name is associated with the account that would apply to all your characters on that account.

MercyKilling

Paks_ESO wrote: »

If you check the box just so you can harass RPers and get reported the GM can make sure the box is unchecked and grayed out so you can't phase with RPers anymore. And since the name is associated with the account that would apply to all your characters on that account.

This part has the potential to be abused to isolate people that you just don't like or want to RP with.

At least...it seems like it could to me, and I'm not the brightest tech bulb around.

Also, I seem to remember Zenimax saying that the RP phasing thing put an unnatural amount of stress on the megaserver architecture, therefore it got canned...but they're working on some other way to let us group together.

Personally, I'd be happy if they fixed it for guilds, and let us prioritize WHICH guilds we'd want to phase with.

pokebreaker

Laerrus wrote: »

I am not bashing Zenimax, I think they have done a great job with their freshman effort of introducing a new MMO but, putting players together of different gaming types and goals on one server was not a good idea.

PvE players want the freedom to name their characters freely and to focus on the endgame dungeons/raids.

PvP'ers want intense faction vs. faction vs. faction play as well as the strong server community that comes with this type of game play.

Immersion is perhaps the most important to RP'ers along with a strong server community that this style of play builds.

From my experience with other MMO's these major types usually do not play well together. Plenty of times I have seen a PvE'er go emo on a PvP'er for getting ganked or have seen RP'ers get subject to harassment from one or both of the other gaming types.

So split the megaserver up into separate PvE, PvP, PvP-RP, and RP servers or components. I think this will go a long way towards making everyone happy.

My thoughts exactly. I've actually stated this on other threads as well. While "MegaServer" sounds like a great idea, (although it works great for games like Planetside 2), for an MMORPG, the mixing of player-styles, is causing alot of clashing. The styles of gameplay are just too different, and are causing many conflicting requests to be made as far as future changes to certain aspects of the game. While I would opt for more Contested Zones where cross-faction open-world PvP could occur (Veteran Zones maybe?), I would not want to force that on PvE or RP players who just want to play in peace. I'm more likely to move on to another game in peace.

Xuxilbara

I'd choose traditional servers for different types of playstyle over the megaserver anyday.

To be honest, I'm kinda dissapointed. This may be due to the fact that I was severly hyped about the survey, wich they wanted to implement (being hyped is my own fault, I realise that).
Don't get me wrong, I love this game, it has been fun so far (Not a vet yet, so that might change - I'm not a fan of grinds, but that's another topic).

...But I'm unable to roleplay, and this bums me out to a rather great degree.
I'm someone who likes to... just walk IC around, and see if I stumble upon some random roleplay. And, in my opinion, this is not possible right now. At least for me.

The biggest problem with the megaserver-technology that I have is.. I feel forced to do stuff I don't wanna do.

This starts with joining guilds. I'm not a guild-person. I tend to keep to myself and close friends, and look out for random-rp. Yet I am forced to be in several guilds, be it to increase the chances of phasing with other roleplayers (wich seems not to work, if I understood that correctly?), or to ask where someones rp'ing, to join them (Wich I dislike, but this is my personal preferences).

It ends with languages. I am german, and naturally, I want to meet german-roleplayers. Because frankly, no matter how well I'm able to write this post, I can't roleplay in english. Mostly, because I can't express myself as well as I'm able to do in my native language, and I need much more time to type because I'd need to translate my thoughts first.
Please, don't missunderstand me; I've played on english-servers on different games in the past, I met some damn good friends on those and they are the very reason of my english (I never payed attention to class, but I payed a lot to the chats, heh). Playing on german-servers was and is, a roleplay-oriented decision (Although I accept any reason why anyone would like to play excusively in a chosen language).
But the reason I've played on english-speaking realms was: I've chosen to.
Here, I'm forced to.

I know, that's what guilds are for, and again, I'm a member of five. But that's just not the same...yet.

*goes and cries a little*

Windscreamer

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I am so sick of these sad bait-and-switch circumstances with MMOs and developers promising content they can't deliver. It may sound odd, but the questionnaire was one of the biggest selling points for me as a consumer. Its absence and the developers inability to ever put it in is why I've unsubscribed, and won't return til some sort of solution to this problem is found. But I'm not guessing that will be given priority til, like, December at the earliest?

Gedalya

I don't understand the benefit of this.

drwoody44b14_ESO

An example of "roleplaying phasing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHe7DwIE7SY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnLe64VXYkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIsIHgVWP7g

Windscreamer

Erotic Roleplay is to RP as ganking is to PVP. It's not the same thing. Don't conflate the two.

Xithian

Windscreamer wrote: »

Erotic Roleplay is to RP as ganking is to PVP. It's not the same thing. Don't conflate the two.

When did this "erotic roleplay" nonsense become standard terminology? Is it political correctness? Call it what it is...cybering. Associating it with roleplay as a whole just gives a skewed negative view of roleplayers in general.

I've been in "adult RP" environments, and that is completely different. It's basically the difference between a PG-13 movie and an R-rated movie. "Erotic roleplay" is pretty much just quick hookups for cybering.

Azzuria

Windscreamer wrote: »

Erotic Roleplay is to RP as ganking is to PVP. It's not the same thing. Don't conflate the two.

Ignorant gonna be ignorant... and ignored. When they merged Moonguard with Cenarion Circle, I basically stopped going anywhere near Goldshire, even for new alts. Had a friend Portal me to some other starter zone.

That said, I find the RP-flag and tagging which guild you wish to be in-phase with to be superior suggestions.

The questionaire idea really off-set the whole 'mega-server' because it would allow everyone to be in the same world but segregated out people whose play-styles were naturally incompatable. It seemed the best of both worlds.

I would be saved from 1337 speeking 12 year olds, PvP *** ( not that all who PvP are, by nature, asshattish, but you know what I mean and you know who you are ) and general idiots and instead grouped with older, more mature players whose focus was on RP, PvE and RP-based PvP.

Instead I have to basically ignore 80% of the population, the naked bank alts, the fence-dancing idiots, the stupid names and general fucktardery. Kinda breaks immersion, which is one thing I was really looking forward to in an Elder Scrolls MMO.

drwoody44b14_ESO

Windscreamer wrote: »

Erotic Roleplay is to RP as ganking is to PVP. It's not the same thing. Don't conflate the two.

Actually, ganking is considered PvP by PvP'ers.

Capjack01

one of the things that has always helped me as far as trying to enforce personal RP'ing (and one of the guilds I belonged to once upon a time)...turn off general chat, turn off shouts and only allow local conversations for your character. just the fact that you don't see massive amounts of gold spam and other nonsense flowing past your chat box, helps a lot.

Xithian

Capjack01 wrote: »

one of the things that has always helped me as far as trying to enforce personal RP'ing (and one of the guilds I belonged to once upon a time)...turn off general chat, turn off shouts and only allow local conversations for your character. just the fact that you don't see massive amounts of gold spam and other nonsense flowing past your chat box, helps a lot.

People are aware of that. The thing is, it was stated at one point that there would be an effort to give roleplayers their own instances so that the 500 people questing in your zone aren't running around you while you try to RP. Not to mention the people that purposefully troll.

Now they're backing off of that so people are wondering what they could do instead to prevent those things from ruining RP for a lot of people.

mips_winnt

Why do RP'ers need special phasing for RP'ers ? Don't you guys already live in your own little RP world ?

Zorak

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Windscreamer wrote: »

Erotic Roleplay is to RP as ganking is to PVP. It's not the same thing. Don't conflate the two.

Actually, ganking is considered PvP by PvP'ers.

Yep.

Getting ganked is expected by PvP players. It isn't a bad thing.

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

An example of "roleplaying phasing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHe7DwIE7SY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnLe64VXYkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIsIHgVWP7g

I really can't understand how some ppl find this kind of thing fun...

Wasting 15$ a month to just run around pretending to be a ***, or whatever...

Like...grow up.


Edit: I'm a nerd and I'm proud of it. But I have a life.

It may be some prejudgment from my part, but I personally think that's ridiculous and very weird.

drwoody44b14_ESO

Xithian wrote: »

Capjack01 wrote: »

one of the things that has always helped me as far as trying to enforce personal RP'ing (and one of the guilds I belonged to once upon a time)...turn off general chat, turn off shouts and only allow local conversations for your character. just the fact that you don't see massive amounts of gold spam and other nonsense flowing past your chat box, helps a lot.

People are aware of that. The thing is, it was stated at one point that there would be an effort to give roleplayers their own instances so that the 500 people questing in your zone aren't running around you while you try to RP. Not to mention the people that purposefully troll.

Now they're backing off of that so people are wondering what they could do instead to prevent those things from ruining RP for a lot of people.

And it was also stated that they did away with the phasing based on playstyle, as they couldnt get it to work correctly.

So sorry snowflake, but its not happening.

mips_winnt

Zorak wrote: »

Wasting 15$ a month to just run around pretending to be a ***, or whatever...

Like...grow up.

No kiddin' , just move to Hollywood instead of having to pay $15.00 a month they pay you to act out your fantasies in public.

Xithian

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

And it was also stated that they did away with the phasing based on playstyle, as they couldnt get it to work correctly.

So sorry snowflake, but its not happening.

Xithian wrote: »

Now they're backing off of that so people are wondering what they could do instead to prevent those things from ruining RP for a lot of people.

Yeah, I said that. Nice snarky comment though.

Zorak

So creepy. lol

Knovah

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

An example of "roleplaying phasing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHe7DwIE7SY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnLe64VXYkk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIsIHgVWP7g

I think I need an adult....( awesome videos I needed a good laugh today)

there is some dark corners of the world where the word Moonguard is still spoken in hushed whispers...(I was on Wyrmrest Accord they had a version of pornshire and Silvermoon was pretty bad )

But in all seriousness the true Role-players never went there ( or at least the serious ones I knew of) .

I think there should be a Rp phase, but if you did that then you need a pvp phase and so on and so on...If they accommodate one they will need to do it for all the different sects of player types.

Xithian

On a random note, if they were having problems with having roleplay phasing, wouldn't guild phasing be a complete nightmare compared to that, performance-wise? How many guilds are there? I wouldn't count on that one...

If the phasing isn't going to work then about all I can think of is putting in an alternate local and zone channel. It would do nothing to stop people from dancing naked around you to troll or anything though... Which means you might as well regress back to mIRC for roleplaying... Which defeats the purpose of having all of these shiny 3d character models and 150+ emotes