Leveling up - too fast?

Magdalina

I can't find a better place to post this(how come there's technically no general discussion? It's either guides or smth or specific zones discussion), but I see some people complaining about being underleveled, so I wonder...does anyone have the opposite problem? Me, half my quests are already trivial and I tend to outlevel most enemies by at least 4 levels. I don't do PvP nor run dungeons all day for exp, all I do is quests - I'm a completionist, plus I actually feel bad for all those help-needing pixel-figures on my screen so I try to never miss a quest. I have all those fancy skyshards/quests/locales achievements from every zone I've been to and all.

I used to wear Ring of Mara(I play with my bf) but I took it off ages ago and now I seriously wish it had the opposite effect - or that I had a "turn exp off" button. Really, it's like I'm being punished for doing *everything* - once I indeed do everything, I outlevel the zone and half the next one, too. And it makes it that much less challenging and that much more boring.

It's also very annoying when I craft myself new awesome gear and in like a day I'm already 2 levels ahead of it and might as well go craft a new one. And if anyone's wondering, I'm lvl 41, so no, it's not the problem of first 10-20 levels or whatever.
Does anyone else feel that way?

Nistu

you will not be dissappointed when you hit VR...I can promise you that.Leveling slows down tremendously from VR1---->.

Nooblet

Wait till you get to the vet levels, you might think differently. Basically level 10-20 takes about the same time as 40-50. So they didnt go the typical level slower as you get higher route... that is until vet levels.

Vunter

Nope.
I'm level 44 and I'm in the level 45 zone. I explore and I do all the quests I can

I want a general discussion section too, btw

Nooblet

I do feel kinda bad for those who crafted along the way. I didn't do anything except deconstruct, and I didnt start that until VR1. However I am behind a bit in enchanting. But ya, you'll outlevel that stuff in no time.. thats why I didn't spend any gold on gear along the way.

Sharee

Doing every single quest/discovery/etc. in every DC zone from level 1 up to and including Rivenspire, i was constantly overleveled for the content i was playing, sometimes so badly mobs stopped dropping items.

So after Rivenspire, i decided to completely skip the next zone (Alik'r) and went directly to Bangkorai. That made the game somewhat more challenging.

traigusb14_ESO2

I'm been trying to not PVP (but I do a little on the weekends) so I don't get too far ahead. I'm alternating characters, and the highest is 39, just short of 40 going into the Rift. He was around 3-4 level too high for the last quests in Eastmarch.

I haven't had to do a grey quest yet, but i'm close to the line with that guy. Zeni has said they don't want people to HAVE TO do everything to progress.

The line seems ok if I only did PVE, but adding PVP is pushing me very close to overleveling to 50.

I'd be ok with it being a little slower or having an XP off button. I do think they have it balanced to a pretty good spot though.

Magdalina

I heard about Veteran thingy, I'm actually looking forward to it. Finally I won't outlevel my armor in a day =P

And good for you, Vunter. I'm lvl 41 in Eastmarch atm. I have I think 2 or 3 quests left there...trivial, naturally. I have a bad feeling about entering next zone, too :P

Evergnar

There is another thread about this already but Zeni has now stated they are not planning to change XP in PvE.

I think its a mistake not giving the option to turn it off for certain things but apparently they think its fine the way it is. They mentioned looking at changing PvP XP but I'm not sure if they're thinking more or less or what.

Magdalina

Sorry, didn't manage to find a thread on the subject. Linky please?

Meh, I suppose it's never perfect for everyone. Some ppl are complaining it's too slow, I'm complaining it's too fast, others say it's just right. I was just wondering if I'm alone in this. ...and an "xp off" optional button really would solve all my(and a few others', too, apparently) problems>.< Sad they won't do it.

Evergnar

Here's one
Punished for outleveling content
There was a longer one last week but couldn't seem to find it.

I've found myself overleveled at least once on each toon. As a completionist I don't really like feeling like I have to skip quests because I chose to open a chest, or kill some mobs along the way, or spent too much time in PvP. Ya, you can still do them but they just feel hollow if you're overleveled.

maurotdo

Yep, they feared people would leave if they didn't reach max level soon enough, so the content was already outleveled at launch day (while during the beta the exp curve / content was perfectly in line with zone levels).

The result is that now you end the starter zone 2-3 level over than intended, carry-picking about 2 more level per zone.
In my case, my progression was:
- no pvp done so far
- got all quests in bleakrock starter island: completed it al level 8 instead on the intended 5/6
- got all quests in stonefalls, only 1 grotto run: completed it at level 18 instead of the intended 16
- got all quests in deshaan, only 1 darkshade run; completed it at level 28 instead of the intended level 24
- did about 10 quests in shadow fen, only 1 arx corinium run, i'm level 30 atm, going to outlevel the zone about 6-8 levels over the intended progression (34)

It's a shame that they felt the urge to overburn the content since launch day, on one side they wanted people to max out before the 30 days free game time, only having them hit the grinding of veteran ranks.

To me it seems the don't have a hint on how to manage their game, time to go hiring some serious professional out there.

AZSharksFan

As I'm tickling V5, I can say that say since level 1 (didn't skip the tutorial on 2nd char) that the quests, some dolemans, solo dungeons, and occasionally a public dungeon is usually sufficient to level with the content. There were some areas that I did a few more doleman or dabble in PVP to get over a level hump and there were a few where I had remaining quests in an area but overpowered. I'd say that each zone is roughly a 8-10 level powerband which seems to fit your character level as well.

I found a rough gap in my 48-50 area that I decided to go PVP.. Sit back, use a range attack, watch and learn.. It's a steady stream of XP when you siege (or are being seiged).. but unless you're in the mood for punishment stay out of the trenches.. Vets/PvP geared will eat you alive and frustrate your attempts to appreciate pvp fun. PS.. Careful travelling around.. always a gank squad to ruin an otherwise lazy sunday horse ride to the next battle!

Once you hit Vet, each new zone roughly fills a Vet level. Since I'm Pact, my vet zones were Glenumbra(v1), Stormhaven(v2), Rivenspire(v3), Alikr'r Desert(v4), and now Bangkorai(v5).. I'll say that Alikr'r was the skimpiest area for "xp" while Stormhaven provided an extra buffer..

The one thing that I wish I knew back then was that work through the content with focus on Fighter/Mage/Main story line quests. Move onto the next area as the content pushes you.. Don't strive for completing all quests.. Save those few extras for Vet levels.. It seems to me that going back and picking up a few stragglers for quest achievement benefits me relatively more with Vet XP then it would have as regular XP.. bonus was that it's a change in scenery and I plow the mobs

Magdalina

Evergnar wrote: »

Here's one
Punished for outleveling content
There was a longer one last week but couldn't seem to find it.

I've found myself overleveled at least once on each toon. As a completionist I don't really like feeling like I have to skip quests because I chose to open a chest, or kill some mobs along the way, or spent too much time in PvP. Ya, you can still do them but they just feel hollow if you're overleveled.

Side consequence of not having a *general* game discussion - I never looked there as I figured I'm not far enough into the main storyline and didn't want any spoilers.
Good to know I'm not alone, at least. Bad to know I'm probably headed for the same superearly veteran as the author of that thread, being almost lvl 43 and barely having started the Rift.

l-wilson-1986b16_ESO

Veteran content slows down dramatically. Its like doing 1-50 twice again except every level the mobs get very noticably more difficult (they scale much faster than the player) therefore it is slower to progress through. And since Craglorn is likely to be vr10-12 for most group content getting the veteran ranks is unlikely to be optional.

Since starting veteran content I now see level 1-50 as an introduction to your class, and the veteran content as where you learn to become a master at it.

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO

Yup, leveling in ESO is WAY too fast.

Ever opened a chest and watched your XP go through the roof?

Ever opened 100 chests?

Yup, leveling is WAY too fast.

Jade1986

Vunter wrote: »

Nope.
I'm level 44 and I'm in the level 45 zone. I explore and I do all the quests I can

I want a general discussion section too, btw

Same here. Im in a 26 zone and I am 26.....and I do EVERYTHING. If you do the group dungeons OVER and over, you can expect to level faster.

dwaightb16_ESO

Wait until you get into the veterans levels...

Gillysan

dwaightb16_ESO wrote: »

Wait until you get into the veterans levels...

Yes I see this comment over & over again, but how is that relevant to the L1 - 50 experience? Rhetorical: question, it's not relevant.

I too am finding that I have nearly outleveled the zone as soon as I entered it. However, I expected such a fiasco from the beginning because this always happens. I post this in every game I have ever played and none have taken me up on it. Pretty much always ignored...

Why can't we get a setting to alter the leveling curve? Maybe an achievement tied to doing a harder level curve from the time of creation. My suggestion has always been to reduce xp to 25%, 50 % and 75%. Fourth setting what the devs determined should be 100%.

Single player games have always had a difficulty setting and achievements for replaying the game on a harder setting. I've always wondered why not a single mmo has ever added such a feature.

dwaightb16_ESO

the thing they have to add in this game is level or porgress without doing qeusts , explore doing dolmens... we need more or other things to get xp from..

Like AvA ,Dungoen, all these have zero XP most of the time.

Jade1986

dwaightb16_ESO wrote: »

the thing they have to add in this game is level or porgress without doing qeusts , explore doing dolmens... we need more or other things to get xp from..

Like AvA ,Dungoen, all these have zero XP most of the time.

Well, we get horse racing in the near future, so that's something. Hopefully we get some exp from that .

7788b14_ESO

You have to alter your play style to stay even. If your to high only do quests and shards, that will bring you down. If you want them to alter xp to fit your current play style, a lot more people will complain about having to do everything just to keep up, like they do now while veteran leveling.

Anzaman

I'm not sure how players manage to out-level the zones so badly. Guess you are luckier with chests than I was, even with Ring of Mara I barely got enough experience from the zones to reach the next ones min. level "requirements".

For example, I completed every single Quest, Dark Anchor and Torch, discovered all Skyshards and locales, but still I barely reached level 24 in Deshaan before entering Shadowfen, and that was with the +10% bonus experience from Rings.

Gillysan

7788b14_ESO wrote: »

You have to alter your play style to stay even. If your to high only do quests and shards, that will bring you down. If you want them to alter xp to fit your current play style, a lot more people will complain about having to do everything just to keep up, like they do now while veteran leveling.

That's why you add a feature to customize the xp gain.

Anzaman wrote: »

I'm not sure how players manage to out-level the zones so badly. Guess you are luckier with chests than I was, even with Ring of Mara I barely got enough experience from the zones to reach the next ones min. level "requirements".

For example, I completed every single Quest, Dark Anchor and Torch, discovered all Skyshards and locales, but still I barely reached level 24 in Deshaan before entering Shadowfen, and that was with the +10% bonus experience from Rings.

I don't know what to tell you. I don't even have a Ring of Mara and there are people removing them because they level to fast. This is just my opinion but maybe you are not as good as an explorer as you think you are? Like in real life, there are people with a lot of patience (me) and people who just go "get me out of here, NOW". I always find at least 5 more quests than what's required to get the zone achievement, but I'm starting to skip stuff because I've leveled too much.

Xozah

If you really take your time and explore you outlvl content. I was lvl 40 before i even started doing the malabal tor quests and they are lvl 31-37. I pretty much already outlvled 2 zones in one go for just exploring, farming materials and other stuff.

edit: and i have the ring of mara but unequiped it by lvl 15 cus i noticed already then i lvled too fast.

Lisyonok

We (I'm OP's bf) took our rings off at I think 21. We were barely entering Deshaan at that level. I'm one level above her, probably due to chests (I've opened like 350 vs. her 150 or so) but other than that not much difference between our characters.
I'm about to hit 44 and we've done 1 quest in the Rift. We went ahead and ran the Lion's Den public dungeon so it wasn't trivial by the time we got to it. Unfortunately when we entered Eastmarch the Halls of the Dead or whatever was already trivial. Made for an extremely boring experience.

Now, to the person who earlier said we were asking them to edit the game's leveling speed for those of us who are completionists? No, I'm asking them to let me turn off my experience. Or at least drop my rate of gain. I'll pay for it, much like WoW has the 10g fee to turn off exp. Charge me a few thousand gold to drop my xp down by 25-50%? Done. Hell, I'd be happy if they extended "Trivial" to 10 levels instead of 5.

I am looking forward to Veteran levels if only because I can be assured I might actually get loot off of stuff I kill.

Backrub

I've just posted my prob in a separate topic and just noticed this.

I finished the game at level 43. I've explored a lot, did ALL quests I ever came across and still I fell up to 10 levels behind on quest mobs. I arrived at Bangkorai at level 29 and first quest put me up against level 37 mobs.

Note that of those 43 levels, I've already grinded mobs for 2 levels. I could already create level 50 gear when only being level 38 because I spent all of my time in the details like mining and blacksmithing, but also opening any chests I come across, exploring the entire map, doing non-obligatory areas such as Stross M'kai, doing a few hours of pvp in between, and so on.

So I feel insanely disappointed when I read your message. You say you immediately outlevel a zone just by doing its side quests? I always did all sidequests in an area before continuing with the main quests, but never did that give me any noticeable boost.

The only reason I've managed to finish the game at this level was because I could often take advantage of other people killing the same mobs/bosses that may have been too difficult for me alone.

But even in Coldharbour I have done every quest I could find, except for the argonian village southwest of the map, but only because that quest got bugged. I abandoned the quest but can't seem to find where to retake it.

So now I'm basically stuck. I guess I'll have to grind myself to 50, but I can't imagine how many mobs I'll have to kill for that.

mmark516

This game is extremely easy to level, I try not to level a lot of the time too. I just cant avoid it. Also its annoying that there is no negatives to crafting, everyone will have everything in this game We need a hardcore server with only 1 character slot, lower loot tables and slower leveling.


For people who are somehow not able to level fast enough, you clearly are missing quests, locations, not killing as many mobs or finding any chests. People will get the same XP from the same things so there's no luck involved, the only way to get stuck underleveled would be to miss things, or do the highest level stuff first and screw yourself by getting 0 from the majority of quests. But honestly doing things in that order would probably take work, its hard not to just bump into xp

Backrub

mmark516 wrote: »

This game is extremely easy to level, I try not to level a lot of the time too. I just cant avoid it. Also its annoying that there is no negatives to crafting, everyone will have everything in this game We need a hardcore server with only 1 character slot, lower loot tables and slower leveling.


For people who are somehow not able to level fast enough, you clearly are missing quests, locations, not killing as many mobs or finding any chests. People will get the same XP from the same things so there's no luck involved, the only way to get stuck underleveled would be to miss things, or do the highest level stuff first and screw yourself by getting 0 from the majority of quests. But honestly doing things in that order would probably take work, its hard not to just bump into xp

Well apparently it happens. I've done my best to gather as much xp as I could, still I'm only 43 and can't find any more quests to do (except group qs etc).

Zabus

I was always under-leveled from 1-50, doing all the quests and dungeons etc.
When I got to cold harbour I was like 42-43? Then all I did was grind till I hit 49, did the main quest got to VR1 at 49 then did a couple of quests and hit VR1.

After VR1 you progress INCREDIBLY SLOW. I try to do every single thing in the zone before moving on. Sometimes I have to dedicate a whole day or two to PvP to level up and then move on to the next zone so I'm not under-leveled.

I'm VR4 now and I can already tell that by the time I finish the remaining quests in the zone, I'll have to go PVP again.

I don't mind PvP, it's actually quite fun aside from the sorc spamming.. but I feel like leveling is just some drag now. My desire to play has decreased substantially and the only thing that keeps me playing is a chance at craiglorn.

Honestly I think they should have added adventure zones in the lower levels to keep us occupied.

soalrism

dont use rings of mara. problem fixed.