How are people so far ahead?

RianaTheBosmer

Honestly, if I had just done one character, I would be level 50 or higher. I just have 8 characters I'm working on, most are level 8 or higher and two are level 18.

Lalaeith

I am not an MMO player too and I don't get to play thaat much. I am currently at lvl 43 and I have one Alt but he's only 7 and 3 Banking alts (one for each crafting profession I do because I like to keep things in order

DewiMorgan wrote: »

There are people looking to fill a *single specific* research slot, like "Infused bow"... again, how, when it takes 50 days to research the whole lot? (This, at least, I've figured out: they have alts who're researching complementary sets, so the research gets done faster. But even then... how did they find all those items to fill all those slots?)

This is an easy one. The last research takes 24 (?) days so to get there you only need to research things for 26 days wich is perfectly possible. So I am currently researching my second last bow skill because I wasn't able to log in every time a new reseach was due. And if I didn't have a great guild that helps each other when they find things, I would be searching for that exact infused bow now.

What I don't understand is why you seem to be bothered by all those people progressing fast. They don't hurt your experience, so just play the way you like and enjoy it

Allyah

Allyah wrote: »

Gisgo wrote: »

Chryos wrote: »

The short answer, yeah some are exploitng/cheating[...]

And this is exactly what i meant.
Anyone faster than you or higher level than you or stronger than you must be either a cheater or a no lifer or both of them.

People that cant beat Molag Bal and whines about it on the forum instead is supercool and doing it right.

Oooooooook dude...

He did say some people. And some people do cheat and exploit their way to the "top". Aim your comments at the people that really are whining and claiming everyone high level is cheating. Better yet, don't care about it and just find it pitiable that they have nothing better to do than be envious.

Edit: comma

@Gisgo‌
Sorry if I misunderstood the reason for you responding to Chryos comment but starting a response with "And this is exactly what I meant" and ending it with "Oooooooook dude" seems designed to induce an inflammatory response in someone.

I edited my post in this post accordingly. However, I do stand by my original statement that you shouldn't aim your comment towards someone who is simply stating a fact about some people. He wasn't the one pointing fingers but there are people in this thread that were pointing fingers that would deserve your comments. ^^

Gohlar

Hypersillyman wrote: »

I say all this as someone who started with Ultima Online, and someone who has played 20+ MMOs since then. Don't worry about what everyone else may be doing or how they are doing it. Just worry about your own personal style.

This is good advice.

Gisgo

Allyah wrote: »

He wasn't the one pointing fingers but there are people in this thread that were pointing fingers that would deserve your comments. ^^

Hmmm he got asked why people is so far ahead and replied with a rant about cheaters. I didnt even need to read between the lines, it was too blatant.

dagnome

On launch there were some bugs and exploits people were using to duplicate items, and there were also EXP bugs as well. Sadly some people abused these to get to VR10 so quickly, others took advantage of the Rings of Mara and grinding to reach their level caps. Now that the dust has begun to settle is it a bit more tedious to level your Veteran Ranks.

Shimond

RianaTheBosmer wrote: »

Honestly, if I had just done one character, I would be level 50 or higher. I just have 8 characters I'm working on, most are level 8 or higher and two are level 18.

Yea if I hadn't rerolled a ton of times and have three 20ish characters now I easily would have been VR10 on one character. The game has been out long enough for people who put in 4+ hours a day to 'finish' if that was their goal. Nothing wrong with that, really, other than running out of stuff to do I guess.

Blackwolfe5

Been playing for two weeks. Got four characters (18, 17, 8x2) and taking my time exploring and crafting. Why rush

Allyah

Gisgo wrote: »

Allyah wrote: »

He wasn't the one pointing fingers but there are people in this thread that were pointing fingers that would deserve your comments. ^^

Hmmm he got asked why people is so far ahead and replied with a rant about cheaters. I didnt even need to read between the lines, it was too blatant.

He did rant and come off as self-righteous a bit (sorry Chryos, that's just how it looked). However, his words never indicated he meant all higher levels. Simply some of the higher levels. Since none of his actually words indicated he was angry, it means you would have to read into them a bit to think he meant all people. (Keep in mind that the tone of writing can be misinterpreted -- I did it with you earlier). I get it, though. It seemed aimed at every high level to you and you responded as if it was. I still feel you would have been better served to engage and ask him what he really meant rather than assuming that he meant a certain something. But if I continue this with you I think I'm going to feel ridiculous for being so picky. So I'm just gonna leave it here.

NukaCola

I have focused on one character. I play around 2h every night. Some more on the weekends. Im Vr2. I use a lot of time managing my items for crafting/research too. I skip most of the minor quest dialogue but never then main questline.

rawne1980b16_ESO

DewiMorgan wrote: »

There are people claiming there's a cap on feeding horses, of 50 feeds: how do they know? It's *physically impossible* for anyone to have reached that cap yet! That's 45 days of solid feeding! [And unrelatedly: if that IS the truth, why is the UI designed as if you can feed them up to 100 in all categories, if that is not the truth?

Horses are capped at level 50 .... which is 50 feeds.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Horse_(Online)

Google is your friend.

Players can feed their mount once every 20 hours with three different items; oats, apples, or wheat, causing it to level up in either bag space, speed, or stamina. These gains are permanent and cumulative, and are the equivalent of leveling up the mount. They can be up to level 50, and depending on how high their quality was at the beginning, they will have differing levels of attributes at the end.

Vikova

People claim their playstyle is superior then immediately turn around and bash other playstyles. If they truly believed theirs was better, they would feel no need to attack the playstyle of others.

• If you want to take your time and become immersed, take your time and become immersed.
• If you want to rush to endgame, rush to endgame.
• If you want to min-max, min-max.
• If you want to just enjoy crafting and discovering new gear through drops, do that.

If you want to do something, just do it - there is no need to try to fill the depths of your own insecurity by attacking the playstyle of others.

Orizuru

I've been playing my templar very casually since launch. I even took an entire week off from the game at one point. I usually only play about 1-4 hours each day and most weeks it's only 2-3 days a week. However, on weekends I tend to play for 6-8 hours at a time, but only if I don't have other plans with my girlfriend or family/friends. Even with my sporadic play times, I've managed to get my Templar to level 40 as of yesterday evening.

I haven't put a lot of work into any of my crafting skills though. I have Blacksmithing up to about level 23 I think and I've done a ton of research with heavy armor and 2-handed weapons.

Leveling up isn't really a challenge in this game. I've also noticed that some levels go faster than others, but I think that is mainly because of the layout of the zones I've been leveling in and an improved understanding of how best to progress through the zones. In earlier zones it felt like I was going very slowly, but it's because I was doing a LOT of running back and forth from one of the map to the other. By the time I finished Grahtwood, I had a much better feel for how to avoid the unnecessary trips back and forth by taking more breaks from the active quest in my journal and exploring as I go, rather than rushing through quests and exploring for more when I ran out.

Orizuru

reggielee wrote: »

so many saying that 'most players this' and 'most players that' need to realize that mmos appeal to many gamestyles. 'some' like to hit end game asap, 'some' like to go slowly, 'some' like to pen and pencil efficiency strategies for fastest way to reach goals... and so on.

as to how some people reached goals way ahead of the pack, they either :

were in beta and figured out the fastest way to whatever goal they wanted legitimately
used pen and paper to organize and focus on what they wanted their char to acheive and made a plan
used the crafting allowable fast mode to switch crafted gear with a partner to gain exponential crafting levels
used known and soon to be known exploits to gain lvls, outrageous gold and upgrade mats
used outright cheats to do the same
bought gold farmed gold

it can be done. Im in the slow down group as I dont believe the game has much long term longevity until they release the new content they are planning

(the sheer number of cheaters in this game is mind numbing tho)

in the end, dont worry bout them.. just play your game they way you want

As much as people don't like to admit it, sometimes they have to be willing to admit that other players may be better at the game as well. I really dislike it when people are more willing to attribute another player's exceeding success at the game to exploits and cheats before they first ask themselves, "Is this person a better player than I am?"

psychounz

DewiMorgan wrote: »

Now, I've been playing in the beta, and since day 1 of the pre-order. I knew a bunch of the quests by heart from the beta so just breezed through them.

I've not been min-maxing, but I've put my time into it, and after, what, five weeks, playing every evening, and quite a lot on weekends, I've helped with Bazgrim's Lua toolbar, I'm level 30 on my main crafting char, I've maxed provisioning and alchemy, and I'm about level 20 on most other crafts, and have learned about 4 traits in each research arc.

But there are people on these forums who are at such high levels they have to cite them with letters in: "VR10", "QWERTY57" and so on. What does that even mean? How did they get such levels?

There are people claiming to have *hundreds of thousands* in gold. How, without constant grinding or botting?

There are people claiming there's a cap on feeding horses, of 50 feeds: how do they know? It's *physically impossible* for anyone to have reached that cap yet! That's 45 days of solid feeding! [And unrelatedly: if that IS the truth, why is the UI designed as if you can feed them up to 100 in all categories, if that is not the truth? Is this the same reason that AoE with a cap of 6 has no limit mentioned in the tooltip? That is, because this cap is retroactive rather than designed in from the beginning?]

There are people looking to fill a *single specific* research slot, like "Infused bow"... again, how, when it takes 50 days to research the whole lot? (This, at least, I've figured out: they have alts who're researching complementary sets, so the research gets done faster. But even then... how did they find all those items to fill all those slots?)

I'm not an MMO player. I despise MMOs. But I'm playing this one, and it's slowly converting me, though all that PvP nonsense leaves me cold. But I'm worried that the "right" way to play the game is to min-max it. And that idea seems natural, "of course", a truism, to the MMO players I've asked.

But, it sickens me. Surely the "right" way to play a game is to not to *optimise away* the game play, the story, and everything that makes it enjoyable, but instead to *revel in it*?

Maybe it's just a play-style preferences thing.

You and I are pretty much of the same mind XD I hate MMOs and was really upset with I first learned about ESO and especially the PVP aspect (I hate PVP stuff, I really do. It's probably because I'm super competitive and hate it when someone does better than me, and nothing says, "Neener," like an axe to the face).

My main character was a crafter (until I respeced) and though I'm still deconning for traits, I'm mainly selling and not worrying about mats right now. I have about 25 unused skill points that I don't want to place yet as I'm crafting for a particular build and I want to make sure I get what I want when I can, then I'll put extraneous points into other stuff.

Now, short story time: When I played DC the story grabbed me much faster than the other two factions, so I focused my play there. A friend of mine was in AD and I kept telling him he had to try DC. So, he did. In only a week he'd caught up to me and surpassed me at level 33 even though I'd been playing DC since early release! Now, he just went out on field training with the army and said he won't be back for 6 weeks XD I'm now level 40 after... about 6 days since he's left and will likely hit 50 long before he gets back.

How did this happen? Well, aside from being monumentally competitive (as stated), I ran through quests. Super fast. I also ran through solo dungeons super fast, got my boss kill through all the bots, got my clear, got my skyshard, and bunked out of there. I finished the Alik'r desert in a single day of play and I feel like I'm half way through Bankorai already. I stopped focusing on crafting and picking up mats and do it much less frequently.

So, I think part of it is legit just questing and speeding through the game. It's... not as much fun, to be honest, but I do like my build now and where I've gone. The only problem I have are in group dungeons because I don't have a lot of people I can contact to group and I'm a little leery of just random groups. Anyway. If you want to really fly through, just fly through the quests, but play your way, man. I'm only flying because I want to get to 50 before my friend gets back from his field training, and part of me wishes I didn't go about it this way, but I'm just too into the challenge, now XDD

All these people that are VR10, vamps, weres, and millionaires... *shrug* Have fun, guys. I don't need you to enjoy it, know what I mean? XD

SadisticSavior

DewiMorgan wrote: »

HOW ARE PEOPLE SO FAR AHEAD?

This is how:

SadisticSavior

annarr1117nub18_ESO wrote: »

So if I play TESO for 3 or 5 hours per day I can then get my player character to at least VR5 in a number of weeks' time???

3 hours a day, every day, is 21 hours a week. In three weeks you will have played 63 hours.

If you focus on nothing but levelling for 3 straight days without food or sleep or bathroom breaks, yes, VR5 seems about right. The vast majority of players will not be able to invest that kind of time.

I play about 10-20 hours a week, and I do not focus on levelling. At level 28 with my main, and have 2 alts that are level 7 and 8.

Thunder

50 feeds is a real spirit breaker. Sure would have been nice to know... oh, I don't... 34 days ago! UGH. So much wasted time and money.

I really like ESO. I think they've made some great design choices in their game mechanics. However, whoever designs interfaces for them needs to be taken out and... well... I guess shot it going a bit over board. They should be cleaning bathrooms.

Every interface is just so incomprehensive and unintuitive. (Just dawned on me that some might read incomprehensive as incomprehensible, so I was going to pick another word, but actually both apply.)

Seriously, anyone who even worked on any part of any user interface in the entire game need to be utilized elsewhere. Send them to design school, something.

SHAME ON YOU interface designers. Your interfaces are bad and you should feel bad.

PermaGrin

How to level fast 101.
1) click the top option in dialogue.
2) go to closest waypoint.

Repeat those 2 steps over and over and you will finish quest in quick succession.

DewiMorgan

Yeah, the 50 feeds thing is gonna explode shortly, I suspect. It absolutely should be featured in the UI: they have a tooltip to explain that screen when you first get to it, and it does not mention the cap. This is as bad as AOE tooltips not mentioning caps if the cap is the [unspecified anywhere] 6-person cap. It's just really bad UI design.

DewiMorgan

@Humor, @Egdod, @SuraklinPrime, @Hypersillyman, @reggielee, @psychounz - if I could click more "awesome" and "agree" and "insightful" buttons on you, I would. And likely more I missed.

All posts here have been great and have been well worth reading, but these names in particular made posts that particularly jumped out at me as particularly awesome: either because I related to them best, or because they conflicted with my preconceptions in a great way, and I disagreed strongly initially, but their posts argued me around.

I began this whingey thread with a flippant post, and some very bad word-choice (eg, I strongly regret now using the phrases "sickens me" and "right way to play": these were pointlessly hyperbolic, they pushed others into strong defensive opinions, and I'm glad they didn't derail conversation more than they did).

So I'm really grateful to you all for putting thought and time into actually digging into the deeper themes my brain was actually trying to get at, even as my mouth (fingers?) was running off being insulting at you all. I appreciate you not brushing me off with "if you don't like it, don't play it!" and your posts have made me reexamine my biases, both against MMOs, and against my fellow players here - even the PvPers!

Thank you

Lalai

People just have different playstyles is all, try not to worry about them. Some people like to focus on crafting, some like to just level, some like to make a game of how fast they can level, some like reading quests and all the lore books, some like to min/max skills and stats, some like to focus on groups.. some are a mix of everything.

People who got to VR 10 very quickly likely didn't stop and read every quest/lore book on the way, and put time into crafting, and do all the group dungeons, and get all the skyshards and so on.. they likely just focused on leveling to VR 10, and then went back to do the other things if they wanted. Some may have just had a ton of time to play (I fall into this category, though I just hit VR 1 last night).

Gold is also very easy to come across at higher levels, so it's natural that the folks who are higher level have a lot of it to go around. Keep in mind the motifs sold very well the first bit the game was out. They regularly went for 2k a piece. Some folks are luckier than others when it comes to finding rare mats. Some people sell everything. Some people do cheat, but the majority won't.

Everything is going to come down to playing the game in a way that is fun for you. If you worry about other people you'll end up feeling rushed in some aspect of gameplay.

fredarbonab14_ESO

This is in every MMO; those that plug along and take everything slow and purposely don't rush; and conversely, those that zoom to the 'end'. I been at it for a month (knew 0 about the game) and I am level 21, you can surmise what category I fall in.
Regardless, I never been concerned about what anyone else is doing or how or for what reason. Its none of my business. Its MY gaming I am concern about.

Chryos

The secret is to sacrifice your health and I know some people who did exactly that. Your not supposed to go on a 2 or 3 day nonstop gaming binge!! lol It's not good for you.

DewiMorgan

Not good for you, but dayumn, it has been fun!
My wife and I did it every time there was a testing weekend, and it was a great bonding experience!

Chryos

@Gisgo Whoa hold yer horsies... No I'm not exactly saying that, well ok I am..

It's true though, ok not everyone and certainly not most of anyone is cheating. However, it is true if your playing an excessive amount of time, saaaayyy 8 hours a day, that isnt considered excessive??

It might hurt someones feelings for them to hear. You play a computer game for 8 hours a day so you have no life. But It's true. People with jobs and families whom are responsible just dont have that kind of time to devote to a game, well they shouldnt.

I'm not knocking anyone either. I personally dont have a social life. I'm 40 years old, out of the military, going to college fulltime. I get paid to attend school fulltime so I dont even work part time. My social life is ESO for the next 4 years. I have for the most part all the time in the world to play this game, and mostly I do.

I beta tested this game as well and I know how long it takes to do an honest play through at a normal "as intended" pace. I certainly know what it takes to "go for the gold" and max level as fast as you can.

So really yes... theres some shennigans going on, they just didnt get caught.

there are also some people that put in some horribly long hours of nonstop xp grinding too, whew! thats rough.

Im lvl 35ish after a month, but it's from well rounded playing. I goof off ALOT because I'm in no rush. I also pvp alot too so that doesent help.


Seriously tho: All hijinks and shennigans aside, beta testers have the advantage of knowing the game before most. Preorders used that 5 days headstart to knock the heck out of some xp, like wildmen. And last....cheaters aside....and i'm sorry if I hurt your feelings....yes, some just do not have their life priorities straight (I.e. gaming addiction)

Very Respectfully,

Me.

Chryos

@Censorious Your problem is...your on the wrong side, come to Ebonheart, we have the cake with the sweetfrosting.

seaef

"HOW ARE PEOPLE SO FAR AHEAD?"

Oh crap, I didn't realize it was a race. Here I was wandering around exploring and enjoying myself and now I'm probably in last place. Doh!

DewiMorgan

cfurlin wrote: »

Oh crap, I didn't realize it was a race. Here I was wandering around exploring and enjoying myself and now I'm probably in last place. Doh!

Yeah - I think (through the insightful commants in this thread) that I've pinned down that my worry wasn't that people were getting ahead - but more that, I was worried *I* was moving too fast, because competitiveness was getting to me!

I don't want to be emperor, I don't want to be the first to VR999: I want to enjoy the game. And yet part of me feels *rushed*, like I should level faster. I suspect it's because I'm not used to MMOs, and possibly also a carryover from the beta where were *were* strongly encouraged to rush our levelling in order to test the areas they wanted testing.

So, I'm concerned that after only a month or so, I've got close to the end of the main storyline for the Pact. Skyrim took me two years to complete the first playthrough.

Two. Years.

So, I'm feeling rushed, but people have reassured me, and I think I'll be able to slow down and enjoy myself a little more

Ashigaru

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO wrote: »

I just found out my VR3 guildie apparently has only been grinding in cyrodiil caves/dungeons after he left grahtwood . LOL. His reasoning? Grinding in cyrodiil is relatively easy because the mobs auto-level with you

Hes right about the grind but not about the mobs the loot auto levels though. I hit cyrodiil at 20 and didn't come out till 50, grinding is faster and you make more money. Really though they are changing that, the mobs will be vet 5 so again they are trying to force people down a questing path.