How are people so far ahead?

DewiMorgan

Now, I've been playing in the beta, and since day 1 of the pre-order. I knew a bunch of the quests by heart from the beta so just breezed through them.

I've not been min-maxing, but I've put my time into it, and after, what, five weeks, playing every evening, and quite a lot on weekends, I've helped with Bazgrim's Lua toolbar, I'm level 30 on my main crafting char, I've maxed provisioning and alchemy, and I'm about level 20 on most other crafts, and have learned about 4 traits in each research arc.

But there are people on these forums who are at such high levels they have to cite them with letters in: "VR10", "QWERTY57" and so on. What does that even mean? How did they get such levels?

There are people claiming to have *hundreds of thousands* in gold. How, without constant grinding or botting?

There are people claiming there's a cap on feeding horses, of 50 feeds: how do they know? It's *physically impossible* for anyone to have reached that cap yet! That's 45 days of solid feeding! [And unrelatedly: if that IS the truth, why is the UI designed as if you can feed them up to 100 in all categories, if that is not the truth? Is this the same reason that AoE with a cap of 6 has no limit mentioned in the tooltip? That is, because this cap is retroactive rather than designed in from the beginning?]

There are people looking to fill a *single specific* research slot, like "Infused bow"... again, how, when it takes 50 days to research the whole lot? (This, at least, I've figured out: they have alts who're researching complementary sets, so the research gets done faster. But even then... how did they find all those items to fill all those slots?)

I'm not an MMO player. I despise MMOs. But I'm playing this one, and it's slowly converting me, though all that PvP nonsense leaves me cold. But I'm worried that the "right" way to play the game is to min-max it. And that idea seems natural, "of course", a truism, to the MMO players I've asked.

But, it sickens me. Surely the "right" way to play a game is to not to *optimise away* the game play, the story, and everything that makes it enjoyable, but instead to *revel in it*?

Maybe it's just a play-style preferences thing.

PBpsy

I am VR 5 and I played the game to get there ~3-5 hrs a day more on weekends.Done all quest and achievements up to now, if they were possible. I listened to all the dialogs. I am sure that people can level up much faster if they skip some dialog and work in a organized friend groups and play a lot. I do not understand what you find wrong with crafting something specific. I started looking for specific traits from the beginning for the items I knew I would use. Now I only need mostly useless traits that I research only to get the set requirements . I haven't had the patience though to level crafting alts but that could be a good idea.

Humor

Most mmorpg's in general have such a trashy storyline, and walls of text, no one tends to care for most of anything they have to say, or want absolutely nothing to do with the storyline.

So the "Right" way to most Mmorpg players is simply to breeze through the game, achieve max level, have the absolute best gear you possibly can within a minimal amount of time actually doing anything there is to do with quests, lore, etc.

If the game hadn't been "Elder Scrolls" and hadn't had an interesting storyline (My opinion of course), I most likely would have been doing the same thing, speeding through absolutely everything.

The one true "beauty" of playing an Mmorpg, or I guess video games in general is there is no "Right", or "Wrong" way to play them. Sure, you'll find those players who want nothing to do with players who aren't min-maxing, or spec'ing their character out to the fullest of it's abilities, but those players from my understanding anyways, enjoy these types of games the most, when they feel they've achieved maximum power, in accordance to how their classes play out. Then you find other players (a very few when it comes to mmorpg's), that actually pay attention to lore, quests, etc, and actually feel the need to immerse themselves a little bit.

Basically, there is no right, or wrong way to play any game, it's all down to the player to decide for themselves as to which is the "Right" way they should be playing a game. If you're enjoying the game, and what it has to offer, then good on you, let no one tell you otherwise. If you feel you're lacking behind, and "want" to catch up, and experience what these other players are experiencing, you'll definitely need to get into a zone, and mindset, where you just don't give a damn about anything.

You also have to remember, quite a few V10's have been around since PTS, and pretty much have heard, and or listened to a lot of the lore, it's not really surprising. The PTS has been out for a good year now, that's quite a bit of time to reach an understanding of what to do, how to level the fastest possible way you can, and so forth.

As for people unlocking all Traits, and feeding their Horse and such, I can't come up with a good answer for that. 20 hours to feed your horse, and some traits take a *** amount of time to research, even if you've upgraded your crafts all the way. I have my clothing maxed out for crafting, cooldown times, and it still "Can" take up to three days (72 hours) in order to research one trait. Maybe there's more to it than I know, I'm not sure.

Coming from me though, my "right" way of playing this game was to experience the Story, and listen to pretty much every bit of lore there was to be had (excluding reading books, that'd take way too long =p). Took me around 115 hours, listening to everything to complete the Ebonheart Campaign, and Main Storyline. I've went through some Veteran Rank content as well now too, but for some reason it doesn't feel as interesting to me, as just wanting more "Story" to come.

As for PvP, I personally rather enjoy open world PvP, and feel that Cyrodill is kind of a mistake, and Zenimax is "riding" on it too much to lead their game. However, I might be tempted to continue through Veteran ranks, as the new content that's come out, and more to come looks pretty interesting, at least from a "MMORPG" perspective where I wouldn't have to care about nothing, and the only thing in it for me, is over-the-top gear.

Anyways, these are of course, just my opinions.

Ker.Rakb16_ESO

There used to be so many ways to dupe in the game that getting tens of millions of gold was a matter of 15-20 minutes of dedicated clicking, plus a bit of money laundering for extra security. Getting to VR 10 in slightly over two days was entirely possible given the right set of circumstances.

Contrary to your fears, these people haven't "ruined" the game to themselves by endless min-maxing, they've simply become free to enjoy the content without having to worry about money or xp grinding.

Egdod

There are many of us who have been playing/testing since last July. My playstyle is not your playstyle. My first character I want to get up to VR10 so I can play in PvP (only VR2 now) while my second character I am going through the quests slowly. The right way to play the game is the way you are going to enjoy it. Why do you care if someone raced up to VR10 without reading the quests? You don't want to PvP, so really, Why does it matter?

Maximizing Alchemy and Provisioning is rather simple and can be done in a day.

annarr1117nub18_ESO

So if I play TESO for 3 or 5 hours per day I can then get my player character to at least VR5 in a number of weeks' time???

PBpsy

annarr1117nub18_ESO wrote: »

So if I play TESO for 3 or 5 hours per day I can then get my player character to at least VR5 in a number of weeks' time???

Depending on your play style. Of course how much I played in the weekends Is a totally different story .

Hypersillyman

annarr1117nub18_ESO wrote: »

So if I play TESO for 3 or 5 hours per day I can then get my player character to at least VR5 in a number of weeks' time???

Not necessarily. I have been playing since head start. I play between 3-7 hours a day. I am only level 44 and just now started questing in Coldharbour. This is probably because I read/listen to every quest giver, search for every skyshard, do every single quest in every single zone, do every mini-dungeon, craft a lot, and get all of the exploration achievements. I check every bookcase, and, now that I can, I read every book I have ever found.

I do not PvP almost at all. I don't run true dungeons. I only go into public dungeons for the skyshards and the easily done quests. I don't grind, and I don't power level.

As a result, because I did not rush to the cap, I have 30 days in and still have not capped or even reached vet. I refuse to run to endgame, much preferring to mosey instead. I firmly believe in the old adage of "getting there is half the fun". I tend to take my time and enjoy the ride. Rushing to endgame just leads to grinding and eventual boredom. For me anyway.

As others have said, there is no wrong way to play an MMO. Just play however you want and you'll get to cap in your own time. Don't feel the need to rush or number crunch just because others do. If you allow the way other people play to dictate how YOU play, you'll end up compromising your ability to enjoy the game on your own.

I say all this as someone who started with Ultima Online, and someone who has played 20+ MMOs since then. Don't worry about what everyone else may be doing or how they are doing it. Just worry about your own personal style.

Have fun and enjoy the ride!

DewiMorgan

PBpsy wrote: »

Done all quest and achievements up to now, if they were possible.

ALL possible achievements? "Kill N things", "Loot N chests", "Complete N Anchors"? How?

I do not understand what you find wrong with crafting something specific.

Zone queries for "WTB light waists of Exploration, Divines", type stuff: obvious that someone's filling a slot in their trait table, rather than wanting to learn to craft the item in order to make a specific set.

Humor wrote: »

If the game hadn't been "Elder Scrolls" and hadn't had an interesting storyline (My opinion of course)...

An opinion I share! And if it hadn't been like that, I wouldn't have been playing.

you find other players (a very few when it comes to mmorpg's), that actually pay attention to lore, quests, etc, and actually feel the need to immerse themselves a little bit.

You're right that there are different playstyles... I just worry that there are things in the game that I am missing out on, that cause me to be so slow.
But from the responses here, I think not: I think it's because I am taking my time and smelling the flowers. And then harvesting them. And then harvesting them again. And then reporting the bug. And then reporting the bot that's exploiting the bug. And then taking screenshots of the bot because it got amusingly stuck. And then laughing when another bot kites a netch into another one so it can steal its Jute-node. And then kiting netches at bots myself for an hour while cackling like a loon. And then learning the runes, decoding them, reading the books, learning Lua, writing some add-ons...

some traits take a *** amount of time to research...

Time doubles (ish) for each trait you learn for that item type. The 6th trait is like a week or so. To save inventory space, I'm training traits on an alt, too, so rather than a robe with a trait taking up a slot for weeks until I learn it, I just have my alt craft it once I need to learn it on my main. One alt must learn all 8 traits, to craft some of the nicer Sets.

Took me around 115 hours

Is there a counter for this somewhere?

[Veteran rank content] doesn't feel as interesting to me, as just wanting more "Story" to come.

Not looking forward to VR stuff, other than playing through the other zones. Sounds like everything else is all PvP, Grouping, Trials and other "interact with players" things: not a whole lot of story.

Ker.Rakb16_ESO wrote: »

they've simply become free to enjoy the content without having to worry about money or xp grinding.

True - as Egdod points out, they might not skip through, on another character.

Egdod wrote: »

My first character I want to get up to VR10 so I can play in PvP (only VR2 now) while my second character I am going through the quests slowly. [...] You don't want to PvP, so really, Why does it matter?

It's probably a bit unfair to leverage insider info gained during the beta in order to gain advantage over other players in PvP, but, as you point out, I don't really care about that. And given I've already admitted that I breezed through the level 1-14 quests, I am a hypocrite if I do care, since I did the same myself: and I admit, it's unavoidable, once you've played through it once, let alone many times over a year.

Hard problem. How to you remove the advantage of knowledge from your testers, while still allowing them to play the game? Impossible! So we got a better reward than just a monkey, I guess Some testing groups continue to get that reward, because they can still access the test servers.

annarr1117nub18_ESO wrote: »

So if I play TESO for 3 or 5 hours per day I can then get my player character to at least VR5 in a number of weeks' time???

I think anyone can eventually. Faster if you know the "tricks" to min-max - the areas to grind, the quests to ignore as not worth your time, and so on. There are guides out there, but they're not for me: spoilers spoil.

But like Egdod points out, if you know the tricks (which aren't really spoilers, like "you can find better water for alchemy in higher levelled zones, so don't waste much time with it until you've found level-30 items at the earliest" and "don't waste much time with provisioning until you've found level 20 recipes", and "once you can make high-level recipes and potions, just spend enough skillpoints to make those levels of the thing, then grind them for a bit and you'll be level 50 in no time") then you can breeze through stuff quite easily.

Unfair to other players, unless the information is shared freely. So, yay for forums and wikis, I guess?

DewiMorgan

Hypersillyman wrote: »

I say all this as someone who started with Ultima Online, and someone who has played 20+ MMOs since then. Don't worry about what everyone else may be doing or how they are doing it. Just worry about your own personal style.

All the answers in this thread have been great and have made me think, but yours was the biggest surprise to me.

Your "mosey" playstyle fits mine - though you're a few levels ahead, still, so I guess I mosey a bit slower, possibly because I also play with my wife, on an alt - but you are an MMO player!

I had been under the impression that the community was divided into two camps, as cleanly as the US political scene is:

Group the first: Single-player gamers. Love the Ultimas, TES games, Fallouts, Planescape:Torment, all-out lovers of PvE, despise PvP and grouping and all that sociable nonsense.

Group the despicable: The MMO fans, who love WoW and LotRO and FFXI and so forth, noisy voices clamoring for speech bubbles and other ghastlinesses, who thankfully fling themselves directly into Cirodiil as soon as they hit level 10 and we never hear from them again except whining for nameplates on the forums, or rushing through our zone grinding for some impenetrable but certainly exploitative min-maxer reason.

And yet, here's you, an MMO fan, who's not at all different in his outlook from me.

So. My preconceptions are clearly founded on bigotry, and I need to figure out what the real deal is.

[Edit: I may just change my bigotry to view the disparity as being between "PvE vs PvP" rather than "TES" vs "MMO". That seems simpler than actually thinking about it, so I'll probably end up doing that in the end. But I'll try not to.]

ragdollyspannerb16_ESO

DewiMorgan wrote: »

But, it sickens me. Surely the "right" way to play a game is to not to *optimise away* the game play, the story, and everything that makes it enjoyable, but instead to *revel in it*?

Maybe it's just a play-style preferences thing.

Yes, it's a play style thing. There's no right or wrong way to play an MMO, despite what other folks may say, so long as you don't break the rules of course. Take the game at your pace, enjoy the things you want to and have fun.

PBpsy

DewiMorgan wrote: »

ALL possible achievements? "Kill N things", "Loot N chests", "Complete N Anchors"? How?

All reasonable achievements. Do all quests if they were not bugged,Collect all Skyshard, Do all public dungeons, Kill all bosses,Find all vistas ,Do all Dolmens,Collect a crapload of books for mages guild levels.. Those achievements you mention are very long term goals that I don't even care about. Really kill a zillion giants?

DewiMorgan wrote: »

Zone queries for "WTB light waists of Exploration, Divines", type stuff: obvious that someone's filling a slot in their trait table, rather than wanting to learn to craft the item in order to make a specific set.

The sets I need require 8 items with 6 traits researched for me to be able to craft them. Researching an item to 6 traits requires about 6 days. I first researched things I needed like bonus armor, attack speed , crit . Now I am researching stuff that isn't as useful but I still need it to have enough traits to unlock the sets. Some sets require you to have 8 traits researched. I don't spam the chat though since I can get everything in my trading guild.

Oh and as I said I do listen to the dialogue. I actually have the addon that removes the text so I don't read it before they finished the first sentence.

cisadanepajsuxrwb17_ESO

I just found out my VR3 guildie apparently has only been grinding in cyrodiil caves/dungeons after he left grahtwood . LOL. His reasoning? Grinding in cyrodiil is relatively easy because the mobs auto-level with you

Humor

@DewiMorgan‌
/played Is the command to figure out how many days/hours/minutes/seconds you've played on one character. This is how I know how much time I've spent on my other character.

Also, I'd like to add; now that I've finished all quests for Ebonheart, my second character I have on the same faction (cause who'd wanna be anything BUT Ebonheart) I can actually play as the normal, generic Mmorpg player. I'm pretty much breezing through everything now because I know everything that happens, right now, currently level 35, and I've spent maybe 5-6 hours on the character. Really not too hard to rush through the game skipping everything.

But in the end, I'm glad I've listened to everything about the game. It's kind of why people who disliked the game left, because it "wasn't" enough like an Mmorpg. ESO as stated is supposed to appeal to both sides, but seems to be kind of lacking to the "Average" Mmorpg player. Again, I'm fine with that. So long as Zenimax keeps adding PvE content more than PvP content (Which only makes sense in my mind being The Elder Scrolls...), I think I'll be good to keep going down the road. Of course they're going to have to keep the Story flowing, and not just throw in dungeons with no Storyline or anything, that might do me in with a lack of story.

Dekkameron

I play about 6 hours a day.

I have.....

43 Orsimer Templar (AD)
44 Bosmer Templar (DC)
40 Orsimer Nightblade (EP)
32 Dunmer Sorceror (AD)
28 Orsimer Nightblade (AD)
22 Orsimer Dragonknight (AD)

and a bank alt and a spare character slot.

Kililin

Obviously you despise MMO's as you said and have no clue about them.
There are people playing 20 hours a day owning 2 or more accounts, also there are hardcore guilds feeding everythin to a few persons which in turn help them in other areas, etc.pp.

Maybe there are some who cheat or bot, but the above things and more exist, you can never ever compete with them especially with a single player approach.

If you despise MMO, maybe you should not play one?

rawne1980b16_ESO

DewiMorgan wrote: »

There are people claiming to have *hundreds of thousands* in gold. How, without constant grinding or botting?

I don't deconstruct everything.

I have one profession per "alt". Saves me skill points and gives me a hell of a lot of gold selling trash drops.

I also sell left over ore/wood/cloth/leather. I refine what I pick up for the improvement mats and then sell on the refined ore and keep the improvements.

That and I have nothing to spend gold on.

I'm not in a trading guild so I don't buy anything in those. Bag and bank space I have sorted with a couple of characters i'll never play that are purely for crafting and/or holding mats (haven't decided if they will be pure pack mules yet).

So any gold I make is mine.

On top of that, it's been over a month, especially those of us with early access, and levelling isn't hard.

Unless you try and do it in PvP .... the XP there is shockingly bad.

Tavore1138

I'm a VR3 and have simply spent a lot of hours playing - including the first couple of weeks nearly solid 'cos I'd injured myself so was off work with time on my hands.

On crafting I've levelled my blacksmithing to 46 and I think have 3 or 4 traits on most items, but I have also devoted some hours to simply farming ore and other crafting items in areas where you can just harvest a long stretch of coastline with minimal combat to intervene simply to get materials to make and break weapons for levels to open up the higher level abilities.

Breaking down loot has got me most of the trends to keep my research slots full at all times.

Oddly not as dull as it sounds

I haven't tried to 'power level' and have gone out of my way to do all quests, all dolmens, worldbosses and all shards - but then doing all of these things also helps you level so the more you look around the more you level.

I have about 80k right now in gold and apart from repair costs haven't really needed anything - I bought a couple of culture motifs early on but haven't been willing to blow loads on the rare ones and have no interest in being vamp or ww.

I have an alt waiting for me in each of the other starting zones (did DC first) but only really use them when my main gets stuck in Cyrod-hell loading and I can't play them for an hour.

I have discovered that the way to succeed in single player games does not translate to the world of MMOs! I'm still hunting for a build and set of skills that suits me, in prior TES series games I've tended towards stealth and long range bow work - which you can sort of do here but in the end you are going to find yourself going up against big bosses or mobs in small rooms and these MMO lifers have a whole language and set of build assumptions based on this reality that I am only just starting to get my head around now, learning lessons I will apply to my alts when their time comes.

As for PvP... I suck! My fingers appear to lose all sense of where buttons are when set upon by real players but there too I am learning, enjoying the group battles with siege weapons, adding some healing to my arsenal so that I can contribute something apart from my corpse.

I get the impression that to make it in the competitive element (i.e. if ever being emperor is on your bucket list) then you would need to learn the best max/min builds and the best playing styles and so on... but if you are happy just doing your thing at your own pace then does it really matter what level others are at or whether your skills are the best that can be.

RylukShouja

I have a level 35 Templar vampire healer. I play a couple hours a day, more on weekends, and have a good chunk of research done on a couple pieces. If I wanted to, I could be throwing out a WTB training lightning staff, since that is the last trait I need. I couldn't research it for a few days, but I could store it til I needed it.

As for horses, people assume that since cap is 50, horses will cap there as well. I'm not saying yea or nay on that, but that's where that comes from.

Gisgo

DewiMorgan wrote: »

But, it sickens me. Surely the "right" way to play a game is to not to *optimise away* the game play, the story, and everything that makes it enjoyable, but instead to *revel in it*?

There isnt a right and a wrong way to play a game. You have fun as you like and let me have mine.

But to stay in topic im almost VR10 and you are not mainly because:
a - i spend more time in game than you do (not a good or bad thing per se)
b - as a long time mmorpg player, i tend to be faster than an average new player
c - i find most quests (not all of them) boring and tend to run straight to the objective
d - i dont clear dungeons, i sneak to the boss and kill him

My main objective is getting the leveling part of the game done, so i can focus on Cyrodiil (im going to become Bruma's major one day).

Nobody of us is doing it the "wrong" way.

Oh btw i have 8k gold because i respecced too many times and im buying armor traits, but any aoe build can farm thousands of gold every day with ease by just killing lof of monsters and selling loot to vendors.

And to put it bluntly, this isnt directed to the OP, but im quite sick of this finger pointing to different playstyles.

Chryos

The short answer, yeah some are exploitng/cheating, you'd have to be naive to think there wasnt cheating going on. If they are a cheater in game then they are a cheater in life too.

Some minor exploits include finding mobs that give higher xp than they are supposed to give, so they keep that to themselves and grind the xp that way. There is aoe xp grinding and questing also.

For me, I just play at my own pace. Dont worry about other people getting to VR10 in a few days, some guilds share accounts and take xp grinding rotations so they can get to the top. Some people straight up hack the game etc.

Just play for yourself, for your own enjoyment. Karmas a *** and when you lead a crooked life, something is going to come back to bite you in the ass one day in one way or the other.

I should mention the people with addiction to MMO's as well. Some people need to seek help and enjoy real life every so often.

Gisgo

Chryos wrote: »

The short answer, yeah some are exploitng/cheating, you'd have to be naive to think there wasnt cheating going on. If they are a cheater in game then they are a cheater in life too.

Some minor exploits include finding mobs that give higher xp than they are supposed to give, so they keep that to themselves and grind the xp that way. There is aoe xp grinding and questing also.

For me, I just play at my own pace. Dont worry about other people getting to VR10 in a few days, some guilds share accounts and take xp grinding rotations so they can get to the top. Some people straight up hack the game etc.

Just play for yourself, for your own enjoyment. Karmas a *** and when you lead a crooked life, something is going to come back to bite you in the ass one day in one way or the other.

I should mention the people with addiction to MMO's as well. Some people need to seek help and enjoy real life every so often.

And this is exactly what i meant.
Anyone faster than you or higher level than you or stronger than you must be either a cheater or a no lifer or both of them.

People that cant beat Molag Bal and whines about it on the forum instead is supercool and doing it right.

Oooooooook dude...

Censorious

DewiMorgan wrote: »

But, it sickens me. Surely the "right" way to play a game is to not to *optimise away* the game play, the story, and everything that makes it enjoyable, but instead to *revel in it*?

Maybe it's just a play-style preferences thing.

Frankly, I find the story and the game play excruciating. I won't labour it but, just one example - The Daggerfall Banker. Anyone who's encountered that will understand. Most MMOs are a thinly disguised grind to top level where the actual game begins.
This one is better than most and it actually is worthwhile taking a walk around. (I actually did a quest this morning that I'd missed in the low level area. At VR1 I got nothing from it but satisfied my curiosity.)

Nevertheless. It's not exactly a riveting read. It seems to be aimed at a teenage market. A sub-100 IQ one at that.

Chryos

"As for PvP... I suck! My fingers appear to lose all sense of where buttons are when set upon by real players but there too I am learning, enjoying the group battles with siege weapons, adding some healing to my arsenal so that I can contribute something apart from my corpse."

Expect to die alot in pvp, thats just how it is. You will naturally get better with practice and with level. In this pvp game, whole group contributions count, you dont have to get an individual kill per say. Just keep playing and enjoying, in 6 months you'll be seasoned in regards to MMOs.

Thunder

DewiMorgan wrote: »

There are people claiming there's a cap on feeding horses, of 50 feeds: how do they know? It's *physically impossible* for anyone to have reached that cap yet! That's 45 days of solid feeding! [And unrelatedly: if that IS the truth, why is the UI designed as if you can feed them up to 100 in all categories, if that is not the truth? Is this the same reason that AoE with a cap of 6 has no limit mentioned in the tooltip? That is, because this cap is retroactive rather than designed in from the beginning?]

I can't think that that could possibly be true. That would mean I just wasted the last month of religiously feeding my horse apples on 3 toons every morning was all for naught. I just refuse to believe that's the case.

It would also mean the Imperial horse is not only worthless but an actual trap to be avoided.

We shall soon see.

Censorious

Thunder wrote: »

DewiMorgan wrote: »

There are people claiming there's a cap on feeding horses, of 50 feeds: how do they know? It's *physically impossible* for anyone to have reached that cap yet! That's 45 days of solid feeding! [And unrelatedly: if that IS the truth, why is the UI designed as if you can feed them up to 100 in all categories, if that is not the truth? Is this the same reason that AoE with a cap of 6 has no limit mentioned in the tooltip? That is, because this cap is retroactive rather than designed in from the beginning?]

I can't think that that could possibly be true. That would mean I just wasted the last month of religiously feeding my horse apples on 3 toons every morning was all for naught. I just refuse to believe that's the case.

It would also mean the Imperial horse is not only worthless but an actual trap to be avoided.

We shall soon see.

It's in the game release notes somewhere, (Don't ask me to search for it - I know I've seen it). There is a limit of 50 feeds so that the imperial horse caps out 10% slower than the more expensive version (42k gold).
Same applies to the Palamino - which I bought.

Don't forget though that Imperial and Palaminot both apply to all characters created - you can buy a horse for each alt for 1g - that's a significant saving despite the rather small disadvantage of a lower speed cap.

Allyah

Gisgo wrote: »

Chryos wrote: »

The short answer, yeah some are exploitng/cheating[...]

And this is exactly what i meant.
Anyone faster than you or higher level than you or stronger than you must be either a cheater or a no lifer or both of them.

People that cant beat Molag Bal and whines about it on the forum instead is supercool and doing it right.

Oooooooook dude...

He did say some people. And some people do cheat and exploit their way to the "top". Save your anger for the people that really are whining and claiming everyone high level is cheating. Better yet, don't care about it and just find it pitiable that they have nothing better to do than be envious.

Edit: comma

Gisgo

Allyah wrote: »

He did say some people. And some people do cheat and exploit their way to the "top". Save your anger for the people that really are whining and claiming everyone high level is cheating. Better yet, don't care about it and just find it pitiable that they have nothing better to do than be envious.

Edit: comma

My anger?
Seriously

Allyah

Gisgo wrote: »

Allyah wrote: »

He did say some people. And some people do cheat and exploit their way to the "top". Save your anger for the people that really are whining and claiming everyone high level is cheating. Better yet, don't care about it and just find it pitiable that they have nothing better to do than be envious.

Edit: comma

My anger?
Seriously

I rarely say anything I don't mean.

Gisgo

Im very happy about the game and my character.
I never post a whine thread.
I dont feel the need to point fingers at people playing differently from me.

If anyone is angry that is clearly not me.
I am amused by the ability of people to categorize and point fingers, be them newbies or veterans it doenst change much, two sides of the same worthless coin.

reggielee

so many saying that 'most players this' and 'most players that' need to realize that mmos appeal to many gamestyles. 'some' like to hit end game asap, 'some' like to go slowly, 'some' like to pen and pencil efficiency strategies for fastest way to reach goals... and so on.

as to how some people reached goals way ahead of the pack, they either :

were in beta and figured out the fastest way to whatever goal they wanted legitimately
used pen and paper to organize and focus on what they wanted their char to acheive and made a plan
used the crafting allowable fast mode to switch crafted gear with a partner to gain exponential crafting levels
used known and soon to be known exploits to gain lvls, outrageous gold and upgrade mats
used outright cheats to do the same
bought gold farmed gold

it can be done. Im in the slow down group as I dont believe the game has much long term longevity until they release the new content they are planning

(the sheer number of cheaters in this game is mind numbing tho)

in the end, dont worry bout them.. just play your game they way you want