VR content destroys faction loyalty (also the reason to make alts)

Guppet

I think the devs have not been clear on what is expected of players.

If they had labeled VR 1 to 10 as levels 51 to 60. Saying you need to complete content for all factions to reach max level. That would have given a far more realistic view to its playerbase.

But being up front about the requirement to do the other factions content, would probably have started the *** storm that they are starting to face right now.

Faction loyalty is something that is sacred to a lot of MMO players.

nerevarine1138

It doesn't "destroy" anything. As someone who's apparently very interested in the lore, I assume you actually listened to Meridia and Sir Cadwell?

Guppet

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It doesn't "destroy" anything. As someone who's apparently very interested in the lore, I assume you actually listened to Meridia and Sir Cadwell?

Where did I mention lore? I mentioned faction loyalty, that has *** all to do with lore.

nerevarine1138

Guppet wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It doesn't "destroy" anything. As someone who's apparently very interested in the lore, I assume you actually listened to Meridia and Sir Cadwell?

Where did I mention lore? I mentioned faction loyalty, that has *** all to do with lore.

Sure. Unless the quest to go to the other factions explains why it's happening and why you aren't "betraying" anything. It's amazing that you could have faction loyalty for non-lore reasons.

aneova_ESO

how bout the fact that Veteran Ranks aren't the same as 1-50, You get no attribute points, and no skill points. Not to mention just cause you do their quests, doesn't mean you swapped sides, you just get to see what they were up to while you were doing x for your faction.

Lifenite

Guppet wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It doesn't "destroy" anything. As someone who's apparently very interested in the lore, I assume you actually listened to Meridia and Sir Cadwell?

Where did I mention lore? I mentioned faction loyalty, that has *** all to do with lore.

It's really hard for anyone to see anything you say as relevant when you come off so ignorant.

You obviously never read the quest...at all. CONTEXT MATTERS. ALWAYS.

rawne1980b16_ESO

I look at it as the Dallas experience....

I'm not helping another faction ... i'm dreaming.

nudel

I was always under the impression that faction loyalty was defined more by PVP anyway. The true rivalries come from having killed and been killed by members of that faction on the field of battle. You come to resent the opposing side when you're ganked or have your scrolls taken. You do everything in your power to get revenge.

I dunno. Somehow I fail to see how these feelings can come from or be spoiled by questing in a different zone.

Guppet

nudel wrote: »

I was always under the impression that faction loyalty was defined more by PVP anyway. The true rivalries come from having killed and been killed by members of that faction on the field of battle. You come to resent the opposing side when you're ganked or have your scrolls taken. You do everything in your power to get revenge.

I dunno. Somehow I fail to see how these feelings can come from or be spoiled by questing in a different zone.

Well that's pretty much what I'm meaning. Faction loyalty has a very strong grounding in PVP games (which the devs say is part of the end game, it does seem to be).

I was under the impression that you hit level 50 and can then go PVP to get to VR10. But that does not appear to be what the devs want you to do.

If I wanted to to the other factions quests, I would have created a character on that faction.

I'll be honest and say that I am not VR yet. So I don't know how they justify it. But if it's some BS like the dreaming or other really cheap reason, then to me that's quite offensive.

In a game that has such great PVP, you should be able to play as just your faction.

darkkterror_ESO

I wouldn't say it "destroys" faction loyalty, but after seeing the atrocities committed by the Dominion in Shadowfen I'm not so sure I want to be part of it anymore

nudel

@darkkterror_ESO‌ Lol after seeing the atrocities committed by the Dominion in Cyrodiil, I knew I didn't want to be part of it. Totally being serious here. PVP in beta chose my faction for me. :P

Lord_Hev

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It doesn't "destroy" anything. As someone who's apparently very interested in the lore, I assume you actually listened to Meridia and Sir Cadwell?

Could you tell me? I'm close to unlocking the final quest, but this conundrum has been bothering me. You don't need to go all detailed spoiler on me(though I don't really care since I already have a general idea on exactly what's going to happen) I'm just interested in the justification. For going to the next factions

You can PM me if you do not want to post it here. Also, tell me if continual Anchors and "planemelding" is justified. As I assume there are still anchors in the game after the MQ?

cromica81_ESO

The only issue I have is after beta testing every faction to 17 I had zero desire to play anything but ebonheart pact.

UnknownXV

You've mistaken this game to be a sandbox, level as you want, where you want. No. It's zone to zone to zone, no freedom, no leveling options. But that was obvious even before the game came out, if you had bothered to do research about it.

Nox_Aeterna

darkkterror_ESO wrote: »

I wouldn't say it "destroys" faction loyalty, but after seeing the atrocities committed by the Dominion in Shadowfen I'm not so sure I want to be part of it anymore

Every single faction does atrocities.

Nox_Aeterna

Lord_Hev wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It doesn't "destroy" anything. As someone who's apparently very interested in the lore, I assume you actually listened to Meridia and Sir Cadwell?

Could you tell me? I'm close to unlocking the final quest, but this conundrum has been bothering me. You don't need to go all detailed spoiler on me(though I don't really care since I already have a general idea on exactly what's going to happen) I'm just interested in the justification. For going to the next factions

You can PM me if you do not want to post it here. Also, tell me if continual Anchors and "planemelding" is justified. As I assume there are still anchors in the game after the MQ?

It is quite simple really , you are given the opportunity to experience the other factions to better understand them.

I do assume it is no spoiler you win in the end , since you always win in ES :P.

Lord_Hev

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It doesn't "destroy" anything. As someone who's apparently very interested in the lore, I assume you actually listened to Meridia and Sir Cadwell?

Could you tell me? I'm close to unlocking the final quest, but this conundrum has been bothering me. You don't need to go all detailed spoiler on me(though I don't really care since I already have a general idea on exactly what's going to happen) I'm just interested in the justification. For going to the next factions

You can PM me if you do not want to post it here. Also, tell me if continual Anchors and "planemelding" is justified. As I assume there are still anchors in the game after the MQ?

It is quite simple really , you are given the opportunity to experience the other factions to better understand them.

I do assume it is no spoiler you win in the end , since you always win in ES :P.

I'm going to need more detail than that. I would like to know exactly what was said, preferably.

Nox_Aeterna

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It doesn't "destroy" anything. As someone who's apparently very interested in the lore, I assume you actually listened to Meridia and Sir Cadwell?

Could you tell me? I'm close to unlocking the final quest, but this conundrum has been bothering me. You don't need to go all detailed spoiler on me(though I don't really care since I already have a general idea on exactly what's going to happen) I'm just interested in the justification. For going to the next factions

You can PM me if you do not want to post it here. Also, tell me if continual Anchors and "planemelding" is justified. As I assume there are still anchors in the game after the MQ?

It is quite simple really , you are given the opportunity to experience the other factions to better understand them.

I do assume it is no spoiler you win in the end , since you always win in ES :P.

I'm going to need more detail than that. I would like to know exactly what was said, preferably.

Yeap , it sounds like i did not say it right? But i really did.

What happens is , Meridia has a talk with you at the end , she explains to you that while true you did "win" , that also means Molag Bal also "won" in some ways , and now you also got the attention of many other daedric princes.

When you ask her , what should you do now, she explains you need to experience all the other factions , so that you can understand them and so you can get ready to deal with much larger threats like Molag Bal instead of just a mortal war.

So she casts a illusion upon you , which is what makes possible for you to be in the other faction and them not noticing at all who you really are.

That is the general idea , sorry Mate , but i cant really remember exactly what was said , and even if i did , that would be one hell of a wall of text lols.

Nasuradin_ESO

I don't exactly remember what cadwell said, but I can say that technically, the factions go:
Aldmeri Dominion -> Ebonheart Pact -> Daggerfall Covenant -> Aldmeri Dominion

AD is in there twice just for the sake of showing the loop, which ever one you start in, the next one on the list there is next. I have noticed it does this to show you what atrocities the last faction listed does to the next one, so you get both sides of each faction.

Thunder

Guppet wrote: »

Faction loyalty is something that is sacred to a lot of MMO players.

Not to me. As a PVE player I've always thought factions were stupid.

nudel

Thunder wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Faction loyalty is something that is sacred to a lot of MMO players.

Not to me. As a PVE player I've always thought factions were stupid.

This is pretty much what I was saying. PVP defines faction loyalty. PVEers won't care. And any PVPer who actually feels loyal towards their faction will not be swayed by questing in another region.

RaZaddha

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It doesn't "destroy" anything. As someone who's apparently very interested in the lore, I assume you actually listened to Meridia and Sir Cadwell?

Could you tell me? I'm close to unlocking the final quest, but this conundrum has been bothering me. You don't need to go all detailed spoiler on me(though I don't really care since I already have a general idea on exactly what's going to happen) I'm just interested in the justification. For going to the next factions

You can PM me if you do not want to post it here. Also, tell me if continual Anchors and "planemelding" is justified. As I assume there are still anchors in the game after the MQ?

It is quite simple really , you are given the opportunity to experience the other factions to better understand them.

I do assume it is no spoiler you win in the end , since you always win in ES :P.

I'm going to need more detail than that. I would like to know exactly what was said, preferably.

Read at your own risk.

Meridia says that the world needs "healing", that your part is not over and you must "prepare" for whats coming by seeing how the other factions are so you understand "whats at stake" (my interpretation is that you must lose your loyalty and fight for the world, not only your king, none of the alliances is the "right one"), you have attracted the attention of the other daedric princes and molag bal isn't done yet

My guess is, the story doesn't end at lvl50 it will continue through craglorn and other updates, vr1-vr10 is kinda a placeholder so you can experience all content available and not just reach vr1 and say "theres nothing for me to do". I'm just guessing, I'm only vr1, maybe theres more story as you pass the zones.
The OP view of faction loyalty is silly, it's very narrow-minded, theres no real reason to choose one faction over the other and we shouldn't need a reason, we are playing AvA for fun, not for some personal digital crusade. But you shouldn't ignore lore as a reason for faction loyalty.

Lord_Hev

Interesting, thank you.

Guppet

RaZaddha wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It doesn't "destroy" anything. As someone who's apparently very interested in the lore, I assume you actually listened to Meridia and Sir Cadwell?

Could you tell me? I'm close to unlocking the final quest, but this conundrum has been bothering me. You don't need to go all detailed spoiler on me(though I don't really care since I already have a general idea on exactly what's going to happen) I'm just interested in the justification. For going to the next factions

You can PM me if you do not want to post it here. Also, tell me if continual Anchors and "planemelding" is justified. As I assume there are still anchors in the game after the MQ?

It is quite simple really , you are given the opportunity to experience the other factions to better understand them.

I do assume it is no spoiler you win in the end , since you always win in ES :P.

I'm going to need more detail than that. I would like to know exactly what was said, preferably.

Read at your own risk.

Meridia says that the world needs "healing", that your part is not over and you must "prepare" for whats coming by seeing how the other factions are so you understand "whats at stake" (my interpretation is that you must lose your loyalty and fight for the world, not only your king, none of the alliances is the "right one"), you have attracted the attention of the other daedric princes and molag bal isn't done yet

My guess is, the story doesn't end at lvl50 it will continue through craglorn and other updates, vr1-vr10 is kinda a placeholder so you can experience all content available and not just reach vr1 and say "theres nothing for me to do".
The OP view of faction loyalty is silly, it's very narrow-minded, theres no real reason to choose one faction over the other and we shouldn't need a reason, we are playing AvA for fun, not for some personal digital crusade.

I'm sorry but who are you to say that wanting to be loyal to your faction is narrow minded? Some of us like character and the ideals of our faction. It's a more than reasonable stand point.

The AVA is supposed to be a crusade against the other factions you are at war with! The factions are not there for fun.

Saying that is like saying we are playing pve for fun so dont need any plot, as plot is narrow minded.

Every side in a war sees themselves as the good guys. Seeing the opposition as the bad guys is a pretty normal thing. If that was not the case, there would be no wars ever.

nerevarine1138

Guppet wrote: »

nudel wrote: »

I was always under the impression that faction loyalty was defined more by PVP anyway. The true rivalries come from having killed and been killed by members of that faction on the field of battle. You come to resent the opposing side when you're ganked or have your scrolls taken. You do everything in your power to get revenge.

I dunno. Somehow I fail to see how these feelings can come from or be spoiled by questing in a different zone.

Well that's pretty much what I'm meaning. Faction loyalty has a very strong grounding in PVP games (which the devs say is part of the end game, it does seem to be).

I was under the impression that you hit level 50 and can then go PVP to get to VR10. But that does not appear to be what the devs want you to do.

If I wanted to to the other factions quests, I would have created a character on that faction.

I'll be honest and say that I am not VR yet. So I don't know how they justify it. But if it's some BS like the dreaming or other really cheap reason, then to me that's quite offensive.

In a game that has such great PVP, you should be able to play as just your faction.

Ah, so you commented without actually knowing what you were talking about.

And you can level VR entirely through PvP. I know people who are doing it, and they've said the experience gain is just fine.

nudel

So much lol. Why do people make knee jerk threads about things they haven't even experienced?

I don't think there's a facepalm big enough for this one.

EDIT: The xp gain for PVP will go up significantly when the Craglorn patch comes to live. All Cyrodiil NPCs will be changed to VR5 and the xp/ap gain for killing enemy players is increased.

Guppet

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

nudel wrote: »

I was always under the impression that faction loyalty was defined more by PVP anyway. The true rivalries come from having killed and been killed by members of that faction on the field of battle. You come to resent the opposing side when you're ganked or have your scrolls taken. You do everything in your power to get revenge.

I dunno. Somehow I fail to see how these feelings can come from or be spoiled by questing in a different zone.

Well that's pretty much what I'm meaning. Faction loyalty has a very strong grounding in PVP games (which the devs say is part of the end game, it does seem to be).

I was under the impression that you hit level 50 and can then go PVP to get to VR10. But that does not appear to be what the devs want you to do.

If I wanted to to the other factions quests, I would have created a character on that faction.

I'll be honest and say that I am not VR yet. So I don't know how they justify it. But if it's some BS like the dreaming or other really cheap reason, then to me that's quite offensive.

In a game that has such great PVP, you should be able to play as just your faction.

Ah, so you commented without actually knowing what you were talking about.

And you can level VR entirely through PvP. I know people who are doing it, and they've said the experience gain is just fine.

I don't really need to know what BS reason they use to force me through the other factions content. I know I only wanted to play one faction.

I also know that if your not VR10 in PVP, you can't go toe to toe with those who are. So if you try to go VR1-10 via PVP, your going to be getting a very frustrating leveling experience.

VR1-10 is not optional, it's utterly required before you are competitive in PVP and if you want to do the new adventure zone.

Imagine if in SWTOR you got to level 55 as a republic character and wanted to raid, but you were told no raiding or PVP till you have got to 55 by imperial quests too. I'd imagine a lot of people getting very annoyed with that.

It would not be do bad if you could PVP without facing VR10's. But as there are no warzones, you have to face players that you can't kill.

This issue is going to get a whole lot worse. Currently very few casual players are up to level 50, I. The next few weeks more and more will find out that they need to go through all faction stories if they want to not get utterly destroyed in PVP.

nudel

I've killed vet players as a lvl 20. One of my friends went to Cyrodiil as a lvl 12. He leveled completely to lvl 25 in Cyrodiil and became Emperor in one campaign. He's still not vet level and he's in Cyrodiil everyday, enjoying himself. So no you do not have to be VR10 to compete.

nerevarine1138

Guppet wrote: »

I don't really need to know what BS reason they use to force me through the other factions content. I know I only wanted to play one faction.

I also know that if your not VR10 in PVP, you can't go toe to toe with those who are. So if you try to go VR1-10 via PVP, your going to be getting a very frustrating leveling experience.

VR1-10 is not optional, it's utterly required before you are competitive in PVP and if you want to do the new adventure zone.

Imagine if in SWTOR you got to level 55 as a republic character and wanted to raid, but you were told no raiding or PVP till you have got to 55 by imperial quests too. I'd imagine a lot of people getting very annoyed with that.

It would not be do bad if you could PVP without facing VR10's. But as there are no warzones, you have to face players that you can't kill.

This issue is going to get a whole lot worse. Currently very few casual players are up to level 50, I. The next few weeks more and more will find out that they need to go through all faction stories if they want to not get utterly destroyed in PVP.

Again, you haven't actually gotten to the content, which prevents you from having any idea what you're talking about.

I'm also assuming you haven't tried PvP. Get in a group. Don't play alone. You'll be fine. Don't complain about a feature of the game unless you've actually experienced it.

Guppet

I have not experienced being stabbed. I still know without a shadow of a doubt that I don't want to experience it!

You can have an opinion on something you have not experienced.

nerevarine1138

Guppet wrote: »

I have not experienced being stabbed. I still know without a shadow of a doubt that I don't want to experience it!

You can have an opinion on something you have not experienced.

Sure you can. But unlike the VR content, you have a basic idea of what being stabbed feels like. You've been completely wrong about what VR looks like from the beginning of the thread, and there's a pretty clear reason for that.