Is Zenimax downgrading the game for the sake of immersion?
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Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »You have a choice...it's called a mod. Have at it....
So your argument is for immersion... by downloading addons and updating em daily or every other day individually, to enjoy the game's UI on a website?
Sounds immersive. Also sounds like it's dependent on authors donating their time, not well integrated, breaks with patches, usually is buggier, a hassle to do, and requires people to have to go do something out of game to have what are basic interface options in virtually every other mmo, where people simply disable them rather than be selfish and whine that no one else should ever be able to enable them, or have to go out (hopefully you have any technical knowledge or you're SOL) and find addons by third parties.
Great system. How is wanting to move my health bar something that would break your immersion on your screen again?-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
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Yeah, it's been going for the last year. Welcome to ESO: where basic functionality has to be argued about instead of toggled on in the options screen. /rolleyes.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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RaZaddha✭✭✭
Welcome to ESO: where "basic functionality" is already there.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
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Welcome to ESO: where "basic functionality" is already there.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
It is? Where do I enable health bar numbers or ultimate counter on my default UI? How do I get a minimap or multiple quests on my tracker? WITHOUT going to a thirdparty site which means it is NOT already there of course.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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Mortelus✭✭✭Immersion is important to me in this game, and it is the thing that will keep me playing this game for a long long time.
If I ever feel like playing any of the other generic MMO's that are out there I will, there is plenty to chose from.
ButIi do agree I do not see any harm in giving toggle options for things like name plate, mini map etc... But as many have said, add-ons are your friend here!Who has time? But if we never take time how can we ever have time?1 -
RaZaddha✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
Welcome to ESO: where "basic functionality" is already there.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
It is? Where do I enable health bar numbers or ultimate counter on my default UI? How do I get a minimap or multiple quests on my tracker? WITHOUT going to a thirdparty site which means it is NOT already there of course.
Oh you mean that kind of "basic" functionality. No its not there because it's not needed.
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Sarenia✭✭✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »You have a choice...it's called a mod. Have at it....
So your argument is for immersion... by downloading addons and updating em daily or every other day individually, to enjoy the game's UI on a website?
Sounds immersive.I really wish people wouldn't use the word 'immersion' out of context.
By this rationale, updating the game also breaks immersion. Alt-tabbing to skype also breaks immersion. Looking away from the screen breaks immersion.
There's a time to admit an argument has become circular, and start reassessing your angles on it.[beta_group_85b_9]2 -
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✭I really love the way it looks, its my opinion and I'm sticking to it. This is not a WoW clone where clutter is king, I can function just fine in the environment the devs have made for us. Not every MMO has to be the same. So do you go to someones house for dinner and they are serving chicken and you demand beef because everyone else serves beef to their guests?
When you have a option to download an addon for your needs? I am sure the devs are staying up at night wondering how they can change the game to suit your needs. You have the options to use a addon not change the very UI of a game. Boogles....same names different posts about the same agenda's they are pushing. Do you think people here don't see your names. Oh and I didn't say anything about immersion, I just like the fact I don't have to have 25 buttons on my screen cluttering it up. Or flashy red lights or floating numbers or name plates when I can move my mouse a fraction of an inch and see a name.
"you enter a room, looking west you see a door, looking south you see another door looking east is a wall, which way do you want to go...." figure that out.2 -
Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭pieceofyarnb14_ESO wrote: »I really love the way it looks, its my opinion and I'm sticking to it. This is not a WoW clone where clutter is king, I can function just fine in the environment the devs have made for us. Not every MMO has to be the same. So do you go to someones house for dinner and they are serving chicken and you demand beef because everyone else serves beef to their guests?
When you have a option to download an addon for your needs? I am sure the devs are staying up at night wondering how they can change the game to suit your needs. You have the options to use a addon not change the very UI of a game. Boogles....same names different posts about the same agenda's they are pushing. Do you think people here don't see your names. Oh and I didn't say anything about immersion, I just like the fact I don't have to have 25 buttons on my screen cluttering it up. Or flashy red lights or floating numbers or name plates when I can move my mouse a fraction of an inch and see a name.
"you enter a room, looking west you see a door, looking south you see another door looking east is a wall, which way do you want to go...." figure that out.
That's fine, but why do you think I shouldn't have nameplates as an option, or a minimap in-game as an option, without having to rely on thirdparty authors, when everyone has them on other games. By the way, I haven't made other threads, in fact ANY thread about this topic in the non-PTS boards, so I have no idea who you're even ranting at about trying to advocate for features they think would make the game better as options. It's downright selfish of you however to complain about people providing constructive criticism
and begging that they be denied of enjoyment from the game.
Your analogy is completely wrong. It's more like this:
I pay for a meal at a restaurant.
They bring my food out.
I am told they do not serve forks and knives to eat with.
I complain.
Other patrons whine at me because I am spoiling their immersion in meal because I want to eat with silverware.
By the way, the silverware also cannot be bought. Anywhere. It has been banned from the city because other patrons complained.
(aka nameplates cannot be made; among many other things with the API such as seeing buffs I cast on myself unless they're 30 seconds or longer).Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
Welcome to ESO: where "basic functionality" is already there.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
It is? Where do I enable health bar numbers or ultimate counter on my default UI? How do I get a minimap or multiple quests on my tracker? WITHOUT going to a thirdparty site which means it is NOT already there of course.
Oh you mean that kind of "basic" functionality. No its not there because it's not needed.
That's not fact, it's your opinion. To many of us it IS needed, it just is a pain and tedious to not have them, which hurts our enjoyment of the RPG aspect of the game. Some of us play for the RPG, not the MMO. RPG's are about numbers, crunching math, and statistics, go look at their source: Dungeons and Dragons on pen and paper. You can add what you want to them but that's what they are at their core. I have no problem if YOU don't want to have these features, but why are you so insistent that *I* should not be allowed to have them in a game I'm paying for and that does not impact other players' enjoyment in any way, shape, or form? Especially when most of these have been in the game and were removed as options with no explanation. Edited by Attorneyatlawl on April 28, 2014 4:03AM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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Attorneyatlawl✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Immersion is important to me in this game, and it is the thing that will keep me playing this game for a long long time.
If I ever feel like playing any of the other generic MMO's that are out there I will, there is plenty to chose from.
ButIi do agree I do not see any harm in giving toggle options for things like name plate, mini map etc... But as many have said, add-ons are your friend here!
The problem is we can't get addons for things like nameplates, or short-duration buffs (anything under 30 seconds even if we cast them, on ourselves or an enemy), because ZOS has limited the API due to complaints by people
. I would like to have the options for them. I am not trying to demand that everyone be forced to use them, of course, but I don't understand whatsoever why some are so adamant that people wanting the options should not be allowed to when it doesn't affect their screen, gameplay, etc. whatsoever.
Thank you for the reasonable post
. Edited by Attorneyatlawl on April 28, 2014 3:59AM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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RaZaddha✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
Welcome to ESO: where "basic functionality" is already there.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
It is? Where do I enable health bar numbers or ultimate counter on my default UI? How do I get a minimap or multiple quests on my tracker? WITHOUT going to a thirdparty site which means it is NOT already there of course.
Oh you mean that kind of "basic" functionality. No its not there because it's not needed.
That's not fact, it's your opinion. To many of us it IS needed, it just is a pain and tedious to not have them, which hurts our enjoyment of the RPG aspect of the game. Some of us play for the RPG, not the MMO. RPG's are about numbers, crunching math, and statistics, go look at their source: Dungeons and Dragons on pen and paper. You can add what you want to them but that's what they are at their core. I have no problem if YOU don't want to have these features, but why are you so insistent that *I* should not be allowed to have them in a game I'm paying for and that does not impact other players' enjoyment in any way, shape, or form? Especially when most of these have been in the game and were removed as options with no explanation.
It is a fact, I'm playing without your "basic functionality", I say and show you that I can ride a bike with one hand, you say you can only ride with two hands and that it's only my "opinion" that I can ride with one hand.
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✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
Welcome to ESO: where "basic functionality" is already there.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
It is? Where do I enable health bar numbers or ultimate counter on my default UI? How do I get a minimap or multiple quests on my tracker? WITHOUT going to a thirdparty site which means it is NOT already there of course.
Oh you mean that kind of "basic" functionality. No its not there because it's not needed.
That's not fact, it's your opinion. To many of us it IS needed, it just is a pain and tedious to not have them, which hurts our enjoyment of the RPG aspect of the game. Some of us play for the RPG, not the MMO. RPG's are about numbers, crunching math, and statistics, go look at their source: Dungeons and Dragons on pen and paper. You can add what you want to them but that's what they are at their core. I have no problem if YOU don't want to have these features, but why are you so insistent that *I* should not be allowed to have them in a game I'm paying for and that does not impact other players' enjoyment in any way, shape, or form? Especially when most of these have been in the game and were removed as options with no explanation.
It is a fact, I'm playing without your "basic functionality", I say and show you that I can ride a bike with one hand, you say you can only ride with two hands and that it's only my "opinion" that I can ride with one hand.
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Look, if you aren't even going to respond to any posts I am making other than to troll back with random analogies that aren't even related to their content.... well, that hardly says much for your so-called argument. Address some actual points, eh? No one here was saying you CAN'T PLAY without the UI stuff, which means your bike analogy is completely out in the wilderness in relation to the thread. I'm glad you like to play your games with no idea of anything actually happening. But not everyone does. Why should we not have the options to not be ignorant of the game mechanics? Or are you using the game as an online chat room and not a game? Edited by Attorneyatlawl on April 28, 2014 8:52AM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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RaZaddha✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
Welcome to ESO: where "basic functionality" is already there.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
It is? Where do I enable health bar numbers or ultimate counter on my default UI? How do I get a minimap or multiple quests on my tracker? WITHOUT going to a thirdparty site which means it is NOT already there of course.
Oh you mean that kind of "basic" functionality. No its not there because it's not needed.
That's not fact, it's your opinion. To many of us it IS needed, it just is a pain and tedious to not have them, which hurts our enjoyment of the RPG aspect of the game. Some of us play for the RPG, not the MMO. RPG's are about numbers, crunching math, and statistics, go look at their source: Dungeons and Dragons on pen and paper. You can add what you want to them but that's what they are at their core. I have no problem if YOU don't want to have these features, but why are you so insistent that *I* should not be allowed to have them in a game I'm paying for and that does not impact other players' enjoyment in any way, shape, or form? Especially when most of these have been in the game and were removed as options with no explanation.
It is a fact, I'm playing without your "basic functionality", I say and show you that I can ride a bike with one hand, you say you can only ride with two hands and that it's only my "opinion" that I can ride with one hand.
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Look, if you aren't even going to respond to any posts I am making other than to troll back with random analogies that aren't even related to their content.... well, that hardly says much for your so-called argument. Address some actual points, eh? No one here was saying you CAN'T PLAY without the UI stuff, which means your bike analogy is completely out in the wilderness in relation to the thread. I'm glad you like to play your games with no idea of anything actually happening. But not everyone does. Why should we not have the options to not be ignorant of the game mechanics? Or are you using the game as an online chat room and not a game?
Dude... Random analogies? Work on your read comprehension, you said it was not a "fact" but my "opinion" that I can play without the mods...
I already did my crusade, I already said my opinion uncountable times on this, this is an old topic that dies off quickly and someone somewhere decides to test some necromancy on it. This is not going to happen, ESO is different than other MMO's, theres no global rule that a MMO needs nameplates and etc.
Acept it and adapt, thats all I'm going to say.Edited by RaZaddha on April 28, 2014 4:28PM1 -
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✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
Welcome to ESO: where "basic functionality" is already there.Attorneyatlawl wrote: »
It is? Where do I enable health bar numbers or ultimate counter on my default UI? How do I get a minimap or multiple quests on my tracker? WITHOUT going to a thirdparty site which means it is NOT already there of course.
Oh you mean that kind of "basic" functionality. No its not there because it's not needed.
That's not fact, it's your opinion. To many of us it IS needed, it just is a pain and tedious to not have them, which hurts our enjoyment of the RPG aspect of the game. Some of us play for the RPG, not the MMO. RPG's are about numbers, crunching math, and statistics, go look at their source: Dungeons and Dragons on pen and paper. You can add what you want to them but that's what they are at their core. I have no problem if YOU don't want to have these features, but why are you so insistent that *I* should not be allowed to have them in a game I'm paying for and that does not impact other players' enjoyment in any way, shape, or form? Especially when most of these have been in the game and were removed as options with no explanation.
It is a fact, I'm playing without your "basic functionality", I say and show you that I can ride a bike with one hand, you say you can only ride with two hands and that it's only my "opinion" that I can ride with one hand.
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Look, if you aren't even going to respond to any posts I am making other than to troll back with random analogies that aren't even related to their content.... well, that hardly says much for your so-called argument. Address some actual points, eh? No one here was saying you CAN'T PLAY without the UI stuff, which means your bike analogy is completely out in the wilderness in relation to the thread. I'm glad you like to play your games with no idea of anything actually happening. But not everyone does. Why should we not have the options to not be ignorant of the game mechanics? Or are you using the game as an online chat room and not a game?
Dude... Random analogies? Work on your read comprehension, you said it was not a "fact" but my "opinion" that I can play without the mods...
I already did my crusade, I already said my opinion uncountable times on this, this is an old topic that dies off quickly and someone somewhere decides to test some necromancy on it. This is not going to happen, ESO is different than other MMO's, theres no global rule that a MMO needs nameplates and etc.
Acept it and adapt, thats all I'm going to say.
As I said, you aren't even reading what's being written. And no, it's not "an old topic", and ESO is actually extremely similar to most MMO's except the horrific community (worse than usual with closed-mindedness) and lack of UI options that are standard in virtually every video game released in decades, standard as being able to rebind your controller layout.
Speaking of your "read comprehension"(sic), you also don't seem to be understanding what little of my posts you have read: no one said you cannot play at all without user interface options.
So again, you're off on a wild tangent into the sunset.... while the thread goes on without you. You are not the sole arbitrator of who can talk about what on these forums or when a topic is "done" in the game community. Edited by Attorneyatlawl on April 29, 2014 10:35PM-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
Exploits suck. Don't blame just the game, blame the players abusing them!
-Playing since July 2013, back when we had a killspam channel in Cyrodiil and the lands of Tamriel were roamed by dinosaurs.
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