VR Grind, it is just insane!!!

Moraisu

You offer a good point, the thing about MMO players is that they shift games often, and Wildstar is a contender in the sense that a lot of players will test out a new MMO, regardless of the overall value of said MMO, it's odd but that's how it works.

And yes, for a lot of players the road from start to lvlcap is "boring" as there is a number of players that really enjoy the end-game gear grind of most MMOs, some like it for the constant stream of loot, others like it for the challenge that raid and Veteran dungeons offer.

Just look at games like Diablo or Borderlands, as for me I'm not playing this game 100%, I'm going to wait for the next content patch as I player other games (Just got Final Fantasy XIV for 15 € so I'm going to give it a spin).

Xanxarib16_ESO

and i will stay what VR challenges do you talk abourt? the dungeons are way to easy to be endgame. and raids??? there are no raids and will it come out in may? maybe and maybe not.

lajnus86b16_ESO

falsfire wrote: »

Terminus wrote: »

God you people have such terrible grammar and punctuation.

Seconded. I could barely make it through the OP and first comment without my head screaming in pain. I must say, it detracts greatly from the complaint if I can't stomach to even read it...21st century internet-speak at its finest.

Anyways, to chime in $0.02, the endgame (craglorn) is coming soon. Back in the days of wow, when they first launched Molten Core and Onyxia raids weren't even in right away. Give it a chance! You're not meant to max out your MMO character so fast on a new game. Try an alt and wait for Craglorn. MMOs these days...the first level 60s in wow weren't until about 3-4 months into the game, and there were so few of them then even...

they are doing almost same thing as wow did, just punishing and making it harder for ppl to get to max level wich is stupid i rather have my toon at vr10 have nothing to do and wait for next content while playing another game.


wow, added Dire maul and a 10 man instance after that onyxia came and right after onyxia came MC.

So wow didnt have endgame content either, but they did not keep you away or make it harder for you to level to give you an illusion.

Kiwi

elder scrolls has always been about the journey, not the destination
one mans trash is another mans treasure

Getorix

Im loving it, ive rushed to end game in every mmo since they watered down mmos for the attention deficient and made leveling an obstacle instead of an experience. Im vr6 now and having fun just seeing all the other factions content and pvping.

And ive got a question for the rush to max level then whine that theres no end game people, yeah theres no end game yet, so why the hell do you care if youre vr10? Enjoy the trip, because if theres no end game yet your destination is going to suck until there is.

Xaei

The problem is that they did make VR a destination instead of a journey. People want to have access to all content, and people in a MMO want to know they got the best gear and can finally get off the gear treadmill. I don't want to save up 20 legendary tempers only to trash the item 5 levels later.

Craglorn and trials are locked behind VR10 and VR ranks have their own gear, so naturally people want to get to max level.

They really should just cap gear and content at level 50, then veteran ranks would become an optional journey which people will love instead of a grind.

But why does this even matter, ZOS doesn't even read these forums.

Gohlar

Kiwi wrote: »

elder scrolls has always been about the journey, not the destination
one mans trash is another mans treasure

This journey is rather boring. These solo quests never challenge and only rarely tell a decent story.

masterdtox

Xaei wrote: »

The problem is that they did make VR a destination instead of a journey. People want to have access to all content, and people in a MMO want to know they got the best gear and can finally get off the gear treadmill. I don't want to save up 20 legendary tempers only to trash the item 5 levels later.

Craglorn and trials are locked behind VR10 and VR ranks have their own gear, so naturally people want to get to max level.

They really should just cap gear and content at level 50, then veteran ranks would become an optional journey which people will love instead of a grind.

But why does this even matter, ZOS doesn't even read these forums.

Well peaking about VR ranks, those add actually nothing special to the game. it is kinda when u hit lvl 50 and then doing 2x time 5 zones, so the lvl cap could have been 150 would not make a difference if u are VT10 or lvl 150 is basically the same. So i don't see the benefits of the VR ranks at all in this game. It is more to fill the gap till the real endgame content next patch arrives.

domlynchb16_ESO

Hearts wrote: »

VR10 is great for gear
If a level 50 staff has 105 weapon damage and 35 enchant damage
A VR 10 staff will have 140 weapon damage and 85 enchant damage.
Its a big difference.

So thats why i find it difficult to kill v10's in cryodil..
every other veteran level i've managed to beat 1 vs.1 excecpt v10. im currently v2.

Gisgo

Nortar wrote: »

Everyone seems to be in a rush to get to the last level.

But what exactly happens at VR10?
- you win the game?
- you don't have to quest anymore?
- you don't have to run dungeons anymore?
- you can do something other then killing, exploring and pvping?

Well, if that is your goal can do it long before reaching VR10 - just stop playing.

VR10 means I dont have to fight the AI anymore.
I dont have to level anymore.
I dont have to farm gold anymore.
It means i can do what im here to do: fight the enemy.
It means freedom.

I understand it doesnt have to be the same for you, you please understand not everyone is here for the "level up" part of the game.

masterdtox

Gisgo wrote: »

Nortar wrote: »

Everyone seems to be in a rush to get to the last level.

But what exactly happens at VR10?
- you win the game?
- you don't have to quest anymore?
- you don't have to run dungeons anymore?
- you can do something other then killing, exploring and pvping?

Well, if that is your goal can do it long before reaching VR10 - just stop playing.

VR10 means I dont have to fight the AI anymore.
I dont have to level anymore.
I dont have to farm gold anymore.
It means i can do what im here to do: fight the enemy.
It means freedom.

VR10 means I dont have to fight the AI anymore:

i don't get this one, u know u he is still then doing fights against AI / Mobs Bosses?

I dont have to level anymore:

So he can't experience Craglorn? Craglorn is only Vet10, lower then that he will bite the dust pretty hard.

I dont have to farm gold anymore:

don't have to if he don't want to repair anymore or buy items.

It means i can do what im here to do: fight the enemy:

ye that's true pvp wise or doing the same PVE zone over and over again. PVP wise i would not recommend that because he will get destroyed by vet 10 ranked players, that way he will lose pretty fast the interest in doing pvp at all.

It means freedom:

Only valid point of advise u gave to that other guy.

So the advises u gave, is not that good man. IT is stick to V1 and gimp your self or reach vet10 to progress. To progress especially into the new content next month else it would be pointless for him to pay for this game to play.

Andy22

V1-5 = u can do 3 dungeons, but get V5 loot?
V6 = u can do 3 more?
V10 = u can do the new Craglorn content?

I find it underwhelming that at V1 i only have access to 3 dungeons? Thats because, in TSW/NWO/Rift all had more dungeons to choose from if u hit the end of the "normal" PvE content.

I enjoy dungeons and would love to also play the V6+ dungeons, but i "have" to grind quests or dungeons to reach V6 for more and even V10 for Craglorn.

I really hope "Craglorn" will also add more V1 content, but if i read correctly "trails" are only for V10?

I'm sick of ESO questing and just adding 5 more dungeons would do a lot for me at V2 atm. If i had a few more dungeons to pick from, i certainly would not complain

Moraisu

Kiwi wrote: »

elder scrolls has always been about the journey, not the destination
one mans trash is another mans treasure

That is the "mantra" of a singe-player RPG.
MMORPGs "mantra" is the end-game content.

In other works, it's the reason for players to keep playing a montly fee.
As it stands, grinding quests is just boring and not worth 13 € a month.

In other words, you are ok with paying a monthly fee to keep playing single-player content?

Xaei

Moraisu wrote: »

Kiwi wrote: »

elder scrolls has always been about the journey, not the destination
one mans trash is another mans treasure

That is the "mantra" of a singe-player RPG.
MMORPGs "mantra" is the end-game content.

In other works, it's the reason for players to keep playing a montly fee.
As it stands, grinding quests is just boring and not worth 13 € a month.

In other words, you are ok with paying a monthly fee to keep playing single-player content?

No. Please no. I'm gonna be a litttttle annoyed here.

The 'mantra' of MMOs does not need to be the endgame. In fact, this whole idea of an 'endgame' is killing the genre. If you're going to focus your entire game on the 'endgame' why not just start everyone at max level instead of putting them through 50 levels of stuff you don't even care about? It's like writing a novel where the first 50 chapters are extracts of a maths textbook.

Reevster

The problem is that this game is too "easy" from lvl 1 to 50 , I mean you shouldn't be able to lvl to 50 in 2 weeks or less(2 days) lol....so now when you hit VR the exp gain is actually near what it should be in a MMO. Damn it took like 6 months to get to 50 in EQ1 , or it did for me lol, but here i am in 3 weeks at VR1 er...lvl 51.

Kiwi

Gohlar wrote: »

Kiwi wrote: »

elder scrolls has always been about the journey, not the destination
one mans trash is another mans treasure

This journey is rather boring. These solo quests never challenge and only rarely tell a decent story.

only boring people get bored

Moraisu wrote: »

That is the "mantra" of a singe-player RPG.
MMORPGs "mantra" is the end-game content.

who told you that?
did you just make it up now or did you read it on the internet?

i do pity the ipadinyourface generation

Zaxq

"TrillBilly wrote: »

Get over yourself FANBOI's this game is failing and WILL BE F2P within months.

Can you throw in some more tired, boring clichés?

The game isn't failing, and wont be F2P within months. I will give you a million pounds and a *** if it goes F2P within 12 months - on the condition that if it doesn't you have to give me the same.

I guarantee you wont agree to those terms because you're talking absolute rubbish.

I'd love to see you back up your drivel with actual facts.

Anastasia

Draxinusom wrote: »

Eh what are you expecting to happen at VR10? There isn't a magic happy wonderland opening up at VR10 and thus you must get there as fast as possible.

VR is an alternate leveling system, it's something that happens alongside whatever it is you do. If quests aren't interesting for you and I bet there are a lot of people that look at them like a hindrance instead of the core of the game and are just chasing arrows then go and do some pvp. Or vet dungeons. Or chase rare epic crafting stuff. You'll level VRs alongside.

Stop believing there's something special at VR10 or that the "game starts only at VR10". This isn't WoW where quests are meaningless trivialities and nothing during leveling has any value at all and interesting things only happen at the very end of the leveling curve. But if you play it the same way you'll be disappointed at VR10. Nothing is fundamentally different at VR10 than at VR5 or VR3 or VR1 in TESO! You need to find out what is fun in this game for you right now. Nobody is going to give you fun-thing(tm) at VR10 that is only available there.

11.

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I have a soul crush on you Drax ^-^ -- when reading your post, first I nodded appreciatively, then I giggled out loud.

C'est la vie. *Smooches to TESO and its staff for being TESO, and NOT the multiple other mmo's out there that primarily do the same old stuff!

In Tamriel the fun can start as soon as you log in the first time, not when you have journeyed through to whatever the current 'end' is, not when you have all the goodies in your basket and just want to make sure everyone else can see your overflowing basket of leet gear.

Unless of course you are pointing at your leet gear-filled basket so members of your group see that you have the versatility to handle two or three different types of assignments. Then, its very okay for the purposes of teamwork ;o)!

Wifeaggro13

All i am going to say is yes end game needs some work.Class mechanics need work , and the Roles need more definition tanking needs some considerable help mainly the 1 hand line and some of the class abilities that support it. But over all this is the best most content packed and enjoyable lvling experience available for the genre. If you think wildstar will be your MMO by all means go play it you either will quit MMO's all together or come screaming back here begging forgiveness. that game is in godawful shape . VR is going to change and will have content added. this is the curse of the power gamer you hit this back end your gonna have to wait . dont scream at the devs because you hit the wall so too fast . i am VR 4 and i play a crap load but i am subbed and have no intention of leaving. by the forth week in tor i was already unsubbed. and did not return for a year and all the time i spent there lasted no more then a couple weeks. i dont see that happening here there is actually stuff to do.Other then race circles around the Spaceport

SexyVette07

So sick of the entitlement casuals these days expecting everything to be given to them...

Maybe you should, you know, play the game to advance?? Its supposed to take a long time... VR1-5 is the equivalent as 1-50. There is nothing special about grinding to VR10 in a few weeks. You are skipping the whole game, and your complaining is ruining the experience for everyone else. If you choose to play that way, do us a favor and quit complaining about it.

Khazaad

SirAndy wrote: »

masterdtox wrote: »

Terminus wrote: »

God you people have such terrible grammar and punctuation.

I'am sorry mr. teacher. But it's not Chinese...

Might as well be ...

Do you speak German? Because frankly, I'd rather read bad English than.... not English at all. Seriously... why are any of their threads, thoughts, or community touching mine? No offense but seriously. Wingdings have more meaning on my screen than that stuff.

Mothanos

I to feel this was a horrible decision...
I enjoyed my way to 50 and wanted to dive into pvp and smash face.
But then i noticed V10's farming groups of 50 people and loged out disapointed.
Currently V3 myself but its a brutal and boring quest grind and i just want to reach end level to enjoy Cyrodiil.

This was a horrible design decision and its sucking the fun out of the game totaly as my story ended at level 50 when defeating the final boss as a vampire :P
Horrible quest grind is horrible, taking 15 hours or more to gain a level for hardcore quest grinders and more if you still listen to npc's and craft and explore and do other stuff.

Just let people farm those Vet ranks in pvp if they choose so, this is not what Matt Frior said........play the game how you want to play....

I keep going, but many people i spoke to are almost done in ESO
Lots of friends are not going to make it to V10 sadly
I understand why as its total garbage to do 2 complete other zones with only quest to grind and farming millions and millions and millions of quest exp...
Some quest just give 500 exp or 3000 exp and sometimes you are lucky to receive 5k or 7k exp -_-

I tought Aion was bad, but this is on par with brutality i say you that !

killedbyping

Give you a hint. Fastest way to get VR10 is NOT grinding quests.
First of all, there are several locations with elite mobs spawning like crazy and they give pretty decent xp and alot of loot.
Find a group and farm them.

Secondly there is even much better way to farm VR points but you have to be good in PVP and play solo or with 1 friend max.
Solo kills in Cyrodiil provide 1200-2500 veteran and allicance points. This is more then an average quest.
You better do it solo, because this points are splitting evenly betwin all alied players around you.
For example, yesterday i farmed about 25k points by simply grinding unaware Ebonheart Pact players in Bruma quest city in less than a hour.

P.S. Seriously ? You whine about the fact that achieving something that meant to be hard and long term is hard and long term ?
Im an now VR3 in less than a month and i dont even play each day. I consider this quite fast actualy and im worried about that i will left nothing to do when i reach VR10 since there is literaly no point of farming VR dungeons because all loot you recieve (even the EPIC once) are literaly unasuable garbage or you can simply craft the same or even better thing with little effort.
Unlike ZOS promised to us, there is NO exclusive PVE items in this game expect of SETs (which im not very ammused with)since there are no exclusive traits or enchant what so ever.

Axer

killedbyping wrote: »

Unlike ZOS promised to us, there is NO exclusive PVE items in this game expect of SETs (which im not very ammused with)since there are no exclusive traits or enchant what so ever.

Incorrect.
The VR dungeons can drop weapons with enchantments roughly twice as strong as the top tier Lenegedary player crafted ones.
(I have a VR10 bow with ~ +84 fire damage, a VR10 player crafted lengendary rune adds +47 fire damage).
I also have two 1handed swords with similar (a fire and shock one).

Andy22

Axer wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

Unlike ZOS promised to us, there is NO exclusive PVE items in this game expect of SETs (which im not very ammused with)since there are no exclusive traits or enchant what so ever.

Incorrect.
The VR dungeons can drop weapons with enchantments roughly twice as strong as the top tier Lenegedary player crafted ones.
(I have a VR10 bow with ~ +84 fire damage, a VR10 player crafted lengendary rune adds +47 fire damage).
I also have two 1handed swords with similar (a fire and shock one).

Yes its true, i also noticed that dropped VR dungeon weapons have dual enchants basically, which u cant craft.

The tragic part however is that this makes this official Q&A answer from Paul Sage sound like marketing BS.

tesoelite.com/forums/threads/live-community-q-a-with-paul-sage-topic-crafting.937/page-3#post-11877

Crafted gear of equal level and equal quality rating is always better than dropped gear from a numerical standpoint. Weapons do more damage, armor has more... armor. However, certain enchantments can only be found on drops. Crafters can always improve those items which have unique enchantments. Legendary items do not drop...

U could also speculate, that at some point "dual enchanting" was designed as feature, but removed later on live. So they did "forget" to remove the dual enchant drops from VR content back than.

Zargorius

Axer wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

Unlike ZOS promised to us, there is NO exclusive PVE items in this game expect of SETs (which im not very ammused with)since there are no exclusive traits or enchant what so ever.

Incorrect.
The VR dungeons can drop weapons with enchantments roughly twice as strong as the top tier Lenegedary player crafted ones.
(I have a VR10 bow with ~ +84 fire damage, a VR10 player crafted lengendary rune adds +47 fire damage).
I also have two 1handed swords with similar (a fire and shock one).

Are the items "Infused"?

smokes

Terminus wrote: »

God you people have such terrible grammar and punctuation.
Anyway,

I usually break up the leveling by participating in PvP with my guild every other day. It ensures I continue to support my alliance, but never really get tired of questing.
Also, questing with somebody else using voice chat makes it MUCH easier.

i do much the same now i've hit VR - i pvp one day, quest with my g/f the next. it's always damned handy to have your own personal healer sat in the same room.

i pushed to get to 50 (still took me 4 weeks asi absorbed the story and found it compelling), but like hell am i pushing for VR10 - it'll come as it comes. at least i dont feel totally useless in pvp now, wasn't much fun when on day 4 of early access i had a VR10 crush my face, it put a kinda damper on my day

TheGrimaceOR

You kids and your MyPods and I-Space... you all want it now. Back in my day in real MMO's it used to take 6 months to a year to get a max level character and even then you weren't really done leveling. God would hate to see the reaction of you kids if an MMO ever started an epic weapon quests like in the days of EQ

Zargorius

TheGrimaceOR wrote: »

You kids and your MyPods and I-Space... you all want it now. Back in my day in real MMO's it used to take 6 months to a year to get a max level character and even then you weren't really done leveling. God would hate to see the reaction of you kids if an MMO ever started an epic weapon quests like in the days of EQ

We're not kids anymore, I wouldn't have time to waste on something like L2 nowadays. Would you? With a job, a family, other interests?

Wifeaggro13

Zargorius wrote: »

TheGrimaceOR wrote: »

You kids and your MyPods and I-Space... you all want it now. Back in my day in real MMO's it used to take 6 months to a year to get a max level character and even then you weren't really done leveling. God would hate to see the reaction of you kids if an MMO ever started an epic weapon quests like in the days of EQ

We're not kids anymore, I wouldn't have time to waste on something like L2 nowadays. Would you? With a job, a family, other interests?

Ill sell them all for my class Epic.