Recent change to public dungeon bosses.

mark2472

From the patch notes:
"You now need to wait several minutes after looting a delve or overworld boss before you are eligible to receive loot from these types of bosses again."

Does anybody know if this makes it much harder to get the blue from the public dungeon bosses? For instance: if I kill the public dungeon boss and only get, say, a white item, does this new timer prevent me from looting the boss at all until "several minutes" have passed? That would be a pity... I hope it only prevents you from looting if you actually got something worth looting.

I generally like to get one blue from the boss before I move on...

nerevarine1138

It means that once you've looted the boss, you need to wait before loot drops again.

You are not meant to sit in one place and farm boss drops over and over again. Today's hotfix confirms that.

Chirru

try it out.
as for me...i hope it prevents from looting anything.

mark2472

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It means that once you've looted the boss, you need to wait before loot drops again.

You are not meant to sit in one place and farm boss drops over and over again. Today's hotfix confirms that.

I don't want to sit in one place farming the boss over and over. I simply want to get the one blue that tends to be in each boss' loot table.

dolmen

Going by that patch note, if you want the blue you may be left standing around quite awhile rinsing and repeating. Or not... depends on your luck "of the drop" of course.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

mark2472 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It means that once you've looted the boss, you need to wait before loot drops again.

You are not meant to sit in one place and farm boss drops over and over again. Today's hotfix confirms that.

I don't want to sit in one place farming the boss over and over. I simply want to get the one blue that tends to be in each boss' loot table.

Oh that 1 in 25 or 50 chance? The blue you will outevel in a half hour if you didnt sit there getting no xp for three hours farming it?

mark2472

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

mark2472 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It means that once you've looted the boss, you need to wait before loot drops again.

You are not meant to sit in one place and farm boss drops over and over again. Today's hotfix confirms that.

I don't want to sit in one place farming the boss over and over. I simply want to get the one blue that tends to be in each boss' loot table.

Oh that 1 in 25 or 50 chance? The blue you will outevel in a half hour if you didnt sit there getting no xp for three hours farming it?

It's usually a 1 in 2 or 3 chance for me... I usually can get it in a few kills and move on in just a minute or two. Which now seems impossible.

SirAndy

Will make *no* difference to any of the bots what-so-ever.
The only thing this does accomplish is to make us who don't bot even more upset.

The bots will simply farm a boss, teleport to another, teleport to another ... come back to the first one when the time limit has expired. Rinse and repeat.
It won't slow them down ONE BIT.

Yet real players will feel the impact ...

SuperScrubby

Of course not, since they're bots. They have no value of time since their owners are off doing something else. Also some blue's are pretty good especially if you get a good accessory. Not to mention I still use some blues for my shoulder and waist since they fulfill my medium/light armor quota.

Unless you're constantly crafting your own gear some of the boss drops are actually good for their traits and/or bonuses.

mark2472

SirAndy wrote: »

Will make *no* difference to any of the bots what-so-ever.
The only thing this does accomplish is to make us who don't bot even more upset.

The bots will simply farm a boss, teleport to another, teleport to another ... come back to the first one when the time limit has expired. Rinse and repeat.
It won't slow them down ONE BIT.

Yet real players will feel the impact ...

Definitely... seems like this hurts real players more than it does bots. The bots are the ones that need to pay, not the legitimate players.

Smartbean

hmm, a few hours ago I was in a public dungeon (first one of the day) in Grathwood and had to sit out 5 boss spawns (because of the bots that were there) before I got credit for the kill. However, the boss didn't drop anything at all. So I stayed for 3 more boss spawns, each time succeeding in getting credit for the kill, but those 3 times the boss didn't seem to drop anything either and I could not loot anything from any corpse (if they were still there as they seem to dissolve quite quickly). I'm not sure if that had anything to do with this change mentioned in the patch notes, but seems strange anyway.

Elsonso

Actually, I see no reason for the farmers to move at all.

They should just stand there and farm anyway, accepting that they may have to kill the boss X times before they get any loot. The value of X will be the number of spawns that will happen before the "several minutes" have passed.

What I wonder is how it will impact me. I generally kill the boss and get dungeon credit but no loot drop. I have to stand around for a second try before I get any loot.

SuperScrubby

It's because the dev's took something completely blown out of proportion and then applied a lazy fix. Banning the bots would have been a better solution for everyone, but it required more effort. Scaling the dungeons would also have been a better solution, but once again it required more effort.

This is why nerf threads are dangerous on a forum. Moderators and devs will look at a small sample size and apply that opinion across the entire gaming population even if they don't want it. Ultimately we all get hit with the same paintbrush whether we like it or not.

Greydog

I'll be happy to actually get some loot from them ..finally.

SuperScrubby

Even if its only 3 gold, or 1 white item and a soulstone ever? New system doesn't give much opportunity to try multiple times. Not to mention how else are you going to get pots and soulstones? I guess it will boost the economy since you can either get them from the NPC or from other people, so unless you spend a ton of time farming chests you're going to have to spend some gold.

Skillet

Does nothing for the Bot problem. Bots don't care about "time", they're not going anywhere.

jambam817_ESO

I don't see the issue. now you have the CHANCE to get it. before the patch, you couldn't barely get a hit in to get loot, let alone the kill for the dungeon achievement.

This sounds like a great way to discourage botters, and keep the public dungeons open and meaningful. Go in, kill the bosses, no loot? Do em again in a few hours, just like a normal dungeon.

zaria

mark2472 wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

It means that once you've looted the boss, you need to wait before loot drops again.

You are not meant to sit in one place and farm boss drops over and over again. Today's hotfix confirms that.

I don't want to sit in one place farming the boss over and over. I simply want to get the one blue that tends to be in each boss' loot table.

This, last things you do before you leave a zone is to do the remaining world bosses and public dungeons. This is intended gameplay.
I have stayed and farmed some bosses a 3-5 times if I got good loot the first time but never longer

Feidam

It slows down their ability to make money etc. they are addressing the bots but these fixes never happen over night. It is just not that simple. No MMO has ever fully gotten rid of bots to my knowledge. I've been playing MMORPGs for a long time.
Also, as players we can help. Report bots, report gold sellers and buyers. Don't associate with or guild players that you know have purchased gold. As much as these problems suck the player base is responsible for keeping these problems around. If players didn't buy gold or power leveling a lot of this nonsense will subside.

SuperScrubby

You're still competing against bots until they find a better source of blues. Bots are exactly what they sound like, a program to execute automatically. Therefore they will most likely stay there or move onto some a better source of income which will then cause that one to be nerfed too.

Eris

Like I keep saying... they need to use their phasing technology to de-phase the boss for someone who has killed it. This will prevent bots from sitting and killing every boss that comes along. If they de-phase the boss for 10, 20 or even 30 minute after a kill, then others who come along have at least a chance to kill the boss and get kill credit and loot.

The way they are doing it now, the bots just keep botting and loot when the loot comes up.

Greydog

Or as someone suggested in another thread ...have the boos respawn randomly in different locations.

Seraseth

Greydog wrote: »

Or as someone suggested in another thread ...have the boos respawn randomly in different locations.

I've seen bots running towards any nearby spawn then run back to the boss location. They have to ability to just run around targeting everything anyway.

And like others above me said, this change isn't going to change anything for the bots. They leave the bots running automated for hours on end, getting less loot than before isn't going to make them stop doing it. It affects a normal player who might want 2-3 kills just to see if they get something good far more than a bot.

Greydog

You could be right, I don't honestly have an answer. As long as I get my opportunity at the mob I really don't care how long others camp it.

I'm not buying their gold and I won't pay exorbitant prices for anything so if making them wait gives me that opportunity, I'm happy.

dreildragb14_ESO

Seraseth wrote: »

Greydog wrote: »

Or as someone suggested in another thread ...have the boos respawn randomly in different locations.

I've seen bots running towards any nearby spawn then run back to the boss location. They have to ability to just run around targeting everything anyway.

And like others above me said, this change isn't going to change anything for the bots. They leave the bots running automated for hours on end, getting less loot than before isn't going to make them stop doing it. It affects a normal player who might want 2-3 kills just to see if they get something good far more than a bot.

Yeah to expand on this the bots now have path finding, meaning they will just add waypoints.

I agree this hurts the players more than the bots since the bots tend to stand in a huge pile of un-looted corpses anyway.

Now what about the open area town train bots and the teleporting bots were seeing everywhere?

And nice un-banning of the already banned bots Zeni.

Korusus

Yeah...this won't get rid of the bots. What else you got ZOS? Because I'm pretty sure a computer program running 24/7 isn't going to be bothered by having to wait "several minutes".

Soul_of_Wrath

Does anyone know if this has had any impact on the botting? I am still trying to give this game a chance but I don't want to waste my time logging in if nothing has changed.

Seraseth

Did a public dungeon earlier with 7 bots in it when I arrived, shortly after I managed to get my kill, another 3 joined. These were bots with pathing, so even players using knockback/pull couldn't get a kill in. Saw quite a few players give up and leave without it.

Chomppa

Seraseth wrote: »

Did a public dungeon earlier with 7 bots in it when I arrived, shortly after I managed to get my kill, another 3 joined. These were bots with pathing, so even players using knockback/pull couldn't get a kill in. Saw quite a few players give up and leave without it.

I too gave up on a dungeon , was just so tired in trying to get credit for the kill that I just left .

byghostlightrwb17_ESO

SuperScrubby wrote: »

It's because the dev's took something completely blown out of proportion and then applied a lazy fix. Banning the bots would have been a better solution for everyone, but it required more effort. Scaling the dungeons would also have been a better solution, but once again it required more effort.

This is why nerf threads are dangerous on a forum. Moderators and devs will look at a small sample size and apply that opinion across the entire gaming population even if they don't want it. Ultimately we all get hit with the same paintbrush whether we like it or not.

1) Hardly blown out of all proportion, I have not gone into one single dungeon in the whole game and actually had fun, by the time I came to the boss it is woeful, stupid and singlehandedly the worse thing about the game for me and a lot of my friends. it isnt just a few dungeons but ALL of them, ALL the time. It may not affect you but doesnt mean it isnt real. All it takes is time for search for pictures and videos or their actions. To see how overwhelming and unpleasant it is.
2)Banning Bots? What on earth will that do? Thats like someone saying "ignoring farm farmers in zone chat solves the problem" No it doesnt, they just buy another bunch of subscriptions, another generation comes in. You have to go after the source and make it unattractive and unprofitable.
Complicated solutions take time, would you prefer they do nothing at all until then? They never said this was a definitive solution, more just a deterrent.

Eris

If the boss is out of phase, the bot can't attack it.

It really is the best solution. The boss goes out of phase for awhile after you kill it so that everyone has a chance to attack and get loot.

The game already makes such extensive use of phasing, it seems like something they could do pretty easily.