Weapon swap delay

fassenkugelcub18_ESO

JoxerHD wrote: »

bob_jeko wrote: »

Rhythmic wrote: »

Its all because EU servers is based in North America?

^ This!

I would have said I agree, IF however i was having lag on the US server, which... I do not.

At a guess the EU server is on a "lesser" server, older, or less powerful compared to the US server.

or they have no separete servers, only one and they put less resources to eu server. and this is answer why is the "eu" server in usa...

sandermdmb16_ESO

Weapon swap is unreliable and have caused me many deaths already. Seems the hotkey (mouse for me) get stuck or smthing in combat or the swap is two seconds to late and then i already pushed the button multiple times. Then it's a big mess.

rotatorkuf

indeed this is something i noticed since day 1

although there hasn't been a lot of chatter about it

and i haven't seen any of zenimax officials acknowledge it

one relevant thing that really bothers me is that you have wait 1 or 2 seconds to unsheathe your weapon before your ability fires (i'm not a roleplayer, this is just ridiculous imo)

the worst part about this is sometimes you end up hitting the weapon swap button more than once because it appears it didn't register on the server, which leaves you back at the weapon/bar you were initially at and end up hitting the wrong ability

i don't know if it's intentional (some sort of global cooldown with weapon swapping), but it's pretty annoying

i just wish they would come out and acknowledge it as working as intended or a bug

pjwrwb17_ESO

Same problem here, intermittently - Aus, using US server.

Ask it to swap; nothing happens...try again, then it swaps twice.

babylon

Agreed, weapon swap is a mess. Never know when it will swap and when it won't, so causes a ton of problems with ability to fight.

This needs a fix asap.

Magdalina

Oh good, here I thought I was special. It lags more often than not for me - destro/resto staff here so very important, yes. I also LOVE when I press it twice as first time doesn't seem to do anything...and it happily swaps back to the original weapon. Sometimes even the graphics lag - seems to swap, abilities change but it still shows the old staff. And then in a few seconds it dawns on it I swapped weapons.
I play the NA server from Russia, however, overall I have pretty little lag. I've had the staff swap lag when everything else was working perfecly, I've had it lag when I was just swapping it to check - not fighting, just standing in the middle of nowhere with no ppl/npcs/monsters around>.<

Dominulf

Agreed. I find it too unreliable to use in combat so I avoid it.

Silowyi

I'm just curious, please no flames, but shouldn't it take a moment to swap a weapon set? I realize it's a fantasy based game but I'm picturing in the heat of battle putting away a sword and shield and pulling out a staff (I said battle not ***) and just can't envision the logic of having it happen seamlessly.

I rather picture weapon swapping as a "quick" way to prepare for enemies before battle without having to keep swapping skills etc, not as an immediate mid-battle thingy. I could be wrong, that's why I'm asking. I just never expected it to be instant during a fight.

babylon

Silowyi wrote: »

I'm just curious, please no flames, but shouldn't it take a moment to swap a weapon set? I realize it's a fantasy based game but I'm picturing in the heat of battle putting away a sword and shield and pulling out a staff (I said battle not ***) and just can't envision the logic of having it happen seamlessly.

I rather picture weapon swapping as a "quick" way to prepare for enemies before battle without having to keep swapping skills etc, not as an immediate mid-battle thingy. I could be wrong, that's why I'm asking. I just never expected it to be instant during a fight.

In a game we want combat to be responsive and the casting of our skills to be predictable.

If this isn't the case then we have a problem - there is no space for realism and confusion when it comes to combat.

aufischb16_ESO

Silowyi wrote: »

I rather picture weapon swapping as a "quick" way to prepare for enemies before battle without having to keep swapping skills etc, not as an immediate mid-battle thingy. I could be wrong, that's why I'm asking. I just never expected it to be instant during a fight.

For me weapon swapping is being able to quickly change from ranged to close-up weapons during combat in a hurry. Attacking a mob from a distance, but if two or even three tanks run up to you I really like my sword and shield.

And yes, it is totally unreliable for me as well and I got killed many times because of it.

zeuseason

Weapon swapping is kinda bad in it's design. I'd like to see it redesigned, or working correctly, or add shift+key to our keybinds as an option so we don't miss swap or other problems with this.

BrassRazoo

This delay gets me killed at times.
I generally have a Resto staff as second weapon and in an emergency I swap to use cc and self heals or buffs.
The delay is so bad at times and I often die before it swaps or I have to press swap a few times just for it to wake up.

Magdalina

Silowyi wrote: »

I'm just curious, please no flames, but shouldn't it take a moment to swap a weapon set? I realize it's a fantasy based game but I'm picturing in the heat of battle putting away a sword and shield and pulling out a staff (I said battle not ***) and just can't envision the logic of having it happen seamlessly.

I rather picture weapon swapping as a "quick" way to prepare for enemies before battle without having to keep swapping skills etc, not as an immediate mid-battle thingy. I could be wrong, that's why I'm asking. I just never expected it to be instant during a fight.

See, we might've been fine if it was reliably and 100% taking a couple of seconds and only then swapping. But thing is, that's not what happens - I don't know if you tried it yourself or not, but for me sometimes it won't swap at all, not in 2, not in 10 seconds, not in a minute, other times it'll swap abilities but still show old weapon(so I often end up pressing ~ again as I think swapping didn't work), once or twice my hotkeys just greyed out and I couldn't do ANYTHING while it was thinking whether to swap or not for about 5 seconds. I'm not sure when exactly its thinking finished, I died in the meanwhile.
It'd be perfect if it swapped seamlessly and instantly, it'd be...acceptable for most of us, me included, if it took several seconds but swapped reliably, it's clearly bugged the way it is now.

claudosan

Didn't even use weapon swap until about 2 weeks after early release because I thought it was way too slow to be viable in combat situations.

Swapping always seemed to lag right when I switched, and sometimes my skills would all shade black and render me useless.

The ideal weapon swap design would be near instant.

The unreliability of it ruins its usage experience, and it can get quite frustrating when it becomes the a primary reason why you couldn't fight your best and the way you wanted, resulting often in death.

Blackwidow

Hobotron wrote: »

Out of curiosity, are you using any actionbar or unitbar addons? If so, attempt disabling them and try again?

I'm not and my delay is bad.

Shillen

No actionbar addons and playing on US and weapon swap is not very responsive.

zeuseason

BrassRazoo wrote: »

This delay gets me killed at times.
I generally have a Resto staff as second weapon and in an emergency I swap to use cc and self heals or buffs.
The delay is so bad at times and I often die before it swaps or I have to press swap a few times just for it to wake up.

Or worse, after you press the swap button multiple times just to get the swap to register, it swaps right back. I've had this happen to me more times than I can count.

Maybe a queue window would help tremendously? I get the feeling the game client will queue actions & abilities and if we can see an action of ours was registered, but queued it'd help us avoiding this button mash. This even happens with skills where you button mash to get it to register and it'll do it multiple times.

Armitas

There is an intentional delay in place.

Can we switch weapons instantly?

Swapping weapons isn’t instant, but it’s very quick—as close as we can make it while still playing an animation that looks appropriate. You can swap weapons while in combat, and the ability to do so is unlocked at level 15.

But it seems like there is an unintentional delay as well. Sometimes mine switches right away and others after a significant delay. A considerable portion of my hotswaps switch the bar but not the weapon.

I also get a huge lack spike after switching armor sets (outfitter addon) so I wonder if they both share the same lag source.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO

Silowyi wrote: »

I'm just curious, please no flames, but shouldn't it take a moment to swap a weapon set? I realize it's a fantasy based game but I'm picturing in the heat of battle putting away a sword and shield and pulling out a staff (I said battle not ***) and just can't envision the logic of having it happen seamlessly.

I rather picture weapon swapping as a "quick" way to prepare for enemies before battle without having to keep swapping skills etc, not as an immediate mid-battle thingy. I could be wrong, that's why I'm asking. I just never expected it to be instant during a fight.

one thanks for getting my tactical training juices flowing =P. two, if they let the link in, (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moP0IdZz6zQ) you will see that its not uncommon. combat in ESO would have the same principal but much different takes.

ShinoDreas

Finally found some other people who experience that. i was going crazy getting killed cause my abilities were not activating as they should and the weapon swapping as well. I always have to wait before I can press next skill, I died several time due to it.
I am as well on the EU server. I hope this can be fixed. Perhaps only due to the fact the server ain't here, but its weird. I experienced lag in other games due to server not being in Europe, but never had issue with skill being activating or weapon swapping.
I hope they can check it and solve it. it is getting very frustrating.

CerberusCRW

I'm a North American playing on NA servers and I've been experiencing the same issues with weapon swapping. Sometimes it works fine, sometimes it does not. This random delay has also caused me quite a bit of grief and earned me some repair bills. At times, the delays are so long that I don't even bother healing myself anymore and opt instead to burst down mobs as fast as I can. And then sometimes I just really need that heal, the swap refuses to go through no matter how hard I try, and right as I'm about to give up, I see my healing bar pop up to say hello, only to leave as fast as it came. I do use some add-ons but none that affect my hotbars nor any gear swapping. Also, I had these issues before installing them.

I've also noticed other oddities in battle, such as my character doing the casting animation, my magicka being depleted but no actual spell being cast nor any visual of the spell being displayed. Solar Barrage and Elemental Ring are the most problematic spells when it comes to this issue.

pecheckler

Issue still persists same as beta period. For example when tanking if I charge, then use rune focus or solar barrage, then attempt to switch weapons to use another weapon's AOE abilities I am sitting, waiting, for at least 1.5 seconds before the weapon swap occurs, and only then does the animation occur which means an even longer delay.

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murklor007neb18_ESO

Weapon swapping has always been extremely sluggish, unreliable or downright laggy (especially in PvP where I can see 10-15s delay on weapon swaps).

Its nowhere near the smoothness of GW2 weapons swaps, which is incredibly disappointing.

I'd rather have like 8 skill slots instead of having the ability to weapon swap. I really hope that ZOS can clean it up but... its a core mechanic. In fact it is the core mechanic, the foundation of the combat system. It should have been finetuned and perfected long, long ago. I fear for the future of ESO when they cant even get this right

Lazrael

Okay so it's not just me! Yeah in that case FIX IT!!! its driving me freaking nuts. Double casting skills, double swapping weapons. Can and does cost whole fights.

ahstin2001nub18_ESO

well things that i have thought that may be the issue:

targeting- i thought it may be the targeting system (the one that highlights a target) but that wouldnt have any bearing on swapping itself as its independent of a target.

latency via connect/hardware- it may be that the system commands an excessive amount of resources to utilize abilites/weapon swap. the game itself consumes quite a bit of RAM.

the UI itself- this is probably the one i lean towards over RAM (close second). i wonder if the UI itself is unstable, which leads to potions/abilities/swap to be bottle-necked. it could be a combination of this and RAM, the amount of info being input via the UI and the amount of RAM already being consumed (leaves little room for other files/programs) is leading to the bottle neck causing these issues.

my wife has a superior computer to me, she rarely if at all notices any issue with her abilities/swaping. i can clearly see that the abilities "depress" and should activate, yet nothing happens. for me it appears randomly, 25-50% of the time tested through simply spending hours of mob grinding. as it stands now PVP and dungeons are a moot effect in that i would feel too much of a bother for the benefit, not to mention i prefer to tank and seconds cost lives. that leaves questing (which is currently not group friendly) and soloing, which can both get to be quite a bore and lacking in entertainment even for this old school grinder.

i love the game but this is getting to be too much for the 15 dollars a month.

Soliss

Has Zenimax even commented yet on the unreliability of the weapon swap functionality?

With weapon swap delay and lag, it is too hard to control and you often end up waiting way too long for your weapons to swap AND you often get the dreaded double swap where you end up on your original hotbar.

If this is an intentional mechanic, it only leads to frustration and makes the game feel like it doesn't work correctly.

Shaun98ca2

Well as said there is an intentional delay in the ability to discourage constant weapon swapping during combat.

Im overly certain the issue is known by ZOS and being looked into but at the same time doesn't currently seem to be a high priority as its not really "core mechanic" as others make out to be.

A build consists of 5 abilities and an Ultimate and should be able to take on almost all content with the exception of certain content requiring a few abilities to be exchanged or an entirely different build altogether where the Weapon Swap is most useful.

Shaun98ca2

I also have to wonder if Weapon Swapping only gets worse with use during combat IE 1st Swap say 1.5 seconds...2nd Swap 2 secs........3rd Swap 2.5 and so on.

Though I do not believe this to be the actual case.

I also want to note that blocking seems to VERY capable of interrupting things in combat and Stun/Bash REALLY interrupts things. Maybe this is also something that "messes up" the weapon swap as your doing it during the heat of battle.

pecheckler

Soliss wrote: »

Has Zenimax even commented yet on the unreliability of the weapon swap functionality?

With weapon swap delay and lag, it is too hard to control and you often end up waiting way too long for your weapons to swap AND you often get the dreaded double swap where you end up on your original hotbar.

If this is an intentional mechanic, it only leads to frustration and makes the game feel like it doesn't work correctly.

Yes they have. It is on the list of issues sticky.