Veteran content = slack dev end game

Shaun98ca2

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

Haha ofcourse there were many fanboy flames back..I knew that

Most of you are STILL missing the point...it doesnt matter if the max level is called 50 or VR10 or if I myself leveled "fast" or what I did...who are you to tell what my definition of fun is? What if I love fast progress? What if I actually listened to the story during the beta and now want max level?

Go away with your fanboy flaming that doesnt have a proper argument.

But you'll all figure out what im talking about in a couple of weeks I guess.

If you think ESO is your first born god sent child thats going to be your new "home" for the next years, you're either deluded or strongly misinformed.

Ok so WHATS your point? There are 3 factions and 3 stories that people are sooner or later going to have to/want to play through. They just started the game allowing your 1 play through to do all 3 factions stories and continue to level up but keeping the gap from VR1-10 very minimal.

What is your point what SHOULD they have done instead???

AlchemyDevil

I am glad it's built this way. So sick of cookie cutter mmo's, same old tired crap.

As others have mentioned, level 50 is NOT the max level. Enough said.

Sarenia

"Fanboy" isn't even a valid word with this game.

Zenimax is a new organization. They don't have any fans yet. Blizzard has fanboys/fangirls. SOE has fanboys/fangirls. Zenimax does not.

Stop using ridiculous words just because you can't come up with a rational rebuttal.

Go away with your fanboy flaming that doesnt have a proper argument.

Sweet irony.

Vannor

And so it begins, " rushed to 50 and there's no content". Seen it in every MMO I've played. See ya /wave

Firmament

I have read in gamespot, they plan already in some weeks new content for endgame like dungeons (4 and 12 ppl ones)http://www.gamespot.com/articles/the-elder-scrolls-online-will-get-free-craglorn-update-later-this-month/1100-6418821/

Eris

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

Haha ofcourse there were many fanboy flames back..I knew that

Most of you are STILL missing the point...it doesnt matter if the max level is called 50 or VR10 or if I myself leveled "fast" or what I did...who are you to tell what my definition of fun is? What if I love fast progress? What if I actually listened to the story during the beta and now want max level?

Go away with your fanboy flaming that doesnt have a proper argument.

But you'll all figure out what im talking about in a couple of weeks I guess.

If you think ESO is your first born god sent child thats going to be your new "home" for the next years, you're either deluded or strongly misinformed.

It has nothing to do with fan boy flaming. It has more to do with your unrealistic expectation.

If your idea of fun is a race between your level speed and developer's content development speed, you're going to win - but you're also going to lose.

Basically you are complaining that you skipped the game now there is nothing to do. Yay for you, you're awesome! Congratulations! Now you can sit on the forums and complain until another game comes along for you to out level or you realize that getting to 50 means nothing in this game.

I would be amused if when true Max Level Content comes along you ask to go on the Trial and they say... sorry dude, you're to low level.

Malediktus

I disagree. I am looking forward to this veteran content.

Lalai

I actually like the way they setup Veteran stuff. I like to mostly focus on one character in a game. I want all my achievements and such on that character, I want to see that character go through the story. In other MMOs I usually have to make a few alts just to see stuff, I don't here and I like that aspect. I don't feel forced to make a certain faction just to see their area.

I don't even really consider the Veteran stuff as end game anyway (unless you count dungeons and such).. it's just more leveling because you didn't actually hit max level at 50. Not that end game in other MMOs didn't consist of boring daily quests or anything. I would take doing other faction's zones over daily quests any day if we're going to compare.

If liking the general/core game setup as is makes me a fan, then so be it I guess? Doesn't change my opinion, or make my opinion any less valid than yours. It's not like you're stating fact or anything, and if I didn't like the core game play, and what I know I'm leveling towards, then I wouldn't really be continuing to play. Who are you to tell everyone else what the game should be in order to be fun?

Edited to add: Additionally.. people don't have to come up with what you think is a "reasonable" argument to validate their opinion in your eyes. Whether they like something or not is up to them, and they don't need some sort of factual evidence to back up why they like it, that's just silly. I wouldn't ask someone to prove to me why I should like the color green if I don't, and I'd never insist that people are wrong in their favorite color choice, or a fanboy of a color. Doing that for a game is just silly. More sounds like you came in here expecting a bunch of people to side with you, and then they didn't.. and since you can't understand people having a different opinion you resort to name calling.

Imryll

I just hope the ZOS allocates ongoing resources in line with the interests of ALL players, not just those who race to end-game and then complain about lack of content. I really don't want things like housing put off because folks who don't actually want to play most of the game are bored--and noisy. It's not economically feasible to keep up with the pace at which such folks consume the small portion of the content that interests them. Best not to try, but to focus on winning over players with more diverse interests.

Foul_Corsair

I'll tell you now, so you don't make the same mistake that you and the other 'power levelers' always do. Don't rush to top tier in less than two weeks and expect great content there for you and if you want to rush to top level then please don't come on the forum moaning 'we've hit top, now what - lame game' etc.

How old are you? twelve and never played an mmo before? There is never much top level content when an mmo is 1st released. Yes, I'm sure you can name the odd one but that doesn't invalidate my point.

Those who rush to top level are in the extreme minority. Why should zos waste any of their resources on a minority at this point in time. They will, as devs always do in mmo's, add content over the coming months/years as the majority player base reaches the higher levels.

If you want to board the bullet train (Shinkansen) and miss the scenery in a rush to your destination then thats your lookout.

illuzian

I just can't wait for the next story so every level is awesome. I don't want to mindlessly grind the same content over and over for some rng drop.

P.S bai

Foul_Corsair

Eris wrote: »

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

I just hit 50 today and I have to say that I dont really feel like playing this game when veterans is just another start of leveling content.

Not only is it lame, lore breaking and pure slack filler-content from the developer's side to add in this so called Veteran content.

When I hit max level (50) I dont want to level anymore. I want endgame. Dungeons. Raids. Epicness. If i wanted to level in another faction I wouldve made another character.

Sorry but this just isnt for me and Im quite sure many feel like I do.

Perhaps if you'd stopped to enjoy the game itself rather than rushing to max level (which you are still 10 levels short of), you'd have had a different experience.

BTW, there is no such thing as end game, anywhere... the reason, because in an MMO end game is only possible when the game is ending (as in shutting down). That is the only way to be certain you are really max level. Otherwise it's really Current Max Level Content (CMLC).

The reason I know this is that I have played a real end-game character. I sat on one of my L50 Incarnates when the City of Heroes servers went down. I know it was truly endgame because after that the new content was a simple message from the publisher... Unable to Connect. I had truly won the game, although I sadly lost an entire universe that made me happy in the process.

COH/*** yay.....

kwwalkerlub14_ESO

I disagree with the OP, but have a related veteran content question I've been wondering. Anyone know if, upon reaching V1, any remaining quests/mobs/content at your "home" alliance are then scaled to Veteran, or do they remain their base levels?

Chirru

gilgalahad1313 wrote: »

Here we go, barely 2 weeks into the game and the power whiners are complaining about end game already. Go ruin another game with this crap...oh nm, you've already ruined most of those. You want end game, go back to playing single player or multi-player games and stop whining in forums and insulting the devs by calling them lazy.

I could not agree more.
Especially do I like the expression Power Whiners.

In order to get to level 50 in two or three weeks one must have greatly rushed the game.

Likewise it will be with any new content implemented. These people rush through any content and after that complain they are bored to death. All I can say is: Power Whiners, get a real life people.

And yes, I am slightly upset with people complaining after a few weeks that they are bored with a game because there is not enough content. Go and play something else if you are soooo bored.

Valturion

ITT: OP gets stomped in VR1 content and cries in the forums.

Rev Rielle

You rush to the end only to complain about it?
Personally I think that's completely nonsensical.
These games have never been about leveling. If you choose to play them that way that's perfectly fine but I think it's unfair to complain about it when you're not playing the game in the manner it's intended.
As such it's likely the game doesn't have to change, your expectations and outlook does.

Melian

Saying there are really 60 or 150 levels doesn't actually make it any better, you know.
This way, they get 60 levels while creating only 50 levels worth of content. Any way you look at it, it is an easy way to keep us busy.

That said, they did give us 50 levels of completely different leveling content for three alliances, and that isn't exactly slacking off.

Nooblet

Ok.. so you got level 50 huh? No you didn't, 50 does not exist.
You achieved Veteran Rank 1. Your journey is not over... period. Theres plenty to do, I certainly don't feel like I've hit max level while being VR3.

You can enjoy the Vet dungeons right when you hit VR1, however youll need VR5 to use the item drops.

Keep chugging along to hit your max level... you got a ways to go.

timebandit_b16_ESO

Shimond wrote: »

New game + in an MMO is just what I was looking for, actually.

But good news for you, adventure zones are coming. JUST for you.

Love it

Zershar_Vemod

Guessing OP refused to play games that increased level caps too over time..

50 is NOT the cap limit, the 1-50 levels are really just a "Getting your footing" type of deal. This just reeks of laziness....I mean, you are pretty much saying "I don't feel like working on my character more, hand me everything now!"

Devilfish85

Read most of the replies, but not all. I'm with the seeming majority here, I have no issue at all with having the option to go into the veteran levels solo. One thing I haven't seen mentioned at any length is that it's not an absolute requirement, it's ONE activity you can choose to spend your time on at max level. As I've pointed out in other threads, no MMO releases with a huge expansive endgame... the features and content are worked on and added later, bit by bit, in content patches that do their best to keep up with people moving forward at a reasonable rate. At least they put in the New Game Plus option from the start... a brilliant move, requiring little extra work, but which would appeal to at least SOME players.

Before any assumptions are made, I'm a veteran WoW raider and was always waiting for the new patch for a fresh experience. I'm not an 'endgame hater' or averse to the grind for the absolute top gear... I loved grinding it out and being elite in return. I'm just realistic enough to understand content takes time.

Shaun98ca2

All these grinders really missed their days back in EQlive days. Boy they would of have a ball there. Extremely difficult punishing content and well lets just say I played for 3 years straight 1 character and still didn't reach max level.

Kiwi

maybe next time youre in a hurry, know where youre going

snowbunnies6ub17_ESO

I don't know about you but im excited to get ALL the skyshards. Its very important for a crafter to have lots of skill points.

Plus its fun to go explore other lands
not everything is about end game

Vodkaphile

timebandit_b16_ESO wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

Don't you want their Skyshards?

You're missing my point.

The skyshards could easily just be restricted to the faction leveling in their own area and not be accessible to other players.

I mean...the design as it is now, is just slack game design from a higher standpoint.

AND you even run around without no world pvp or engagement other than the other Veterans you see and meet.

This kind of game design is so bad on many levels ...

What is slack design about it? They retooled the entire areas to be balanced for veterans. Meanwhile, we have adventure zones and trials coming soon, we have Cyrodiil... if you want a gear treadmill ala typical MMO's, there's plenty out there for you. You dont HAVE to do the content right this second, or ever at all, if you dont want to.

It also doesn't break lore, if you followed the story in the slightest you'd know that.

Eris

Melian wrote: »

Saying there are really 60 or 150 levels doesn't actually make it any better, you know.
This way, they get 60 levels while creating only 50 levels worth of content. Any way you look at it, it is an easy way to keep us busy.

That said, they did give us 50 levels of completely different leveling content for three alliances, and that isn't exactly slacking off.

Technically, they created 150 levels of content. There are 3 factions where a character can progress from 1-50, 50 * 3=150. Each of those factions can be experienced with a single character with experience going to advance Veteran levels, but that doesn't change the initial content potential.

Laura

i love it but I respect your opinion what I don't like is you called it lore breaking. that stupid.

byghostlightrwb17_ESO

I really tire of hearing of people who rush to end game and then complain about how devs handle the way it works.

Or the other way to look at it is: Would you rather sixty be the cap to the levels and just at 50 the world opens up. Its all the same, its just a number, I really have no idea how you could class any of this as lore breaking? hell the way Skyrim handled leveling was completely different to all other ES games before, doesnt mean the changes were lore breaking.

Not every game has to be about raid and epicness. Im glad this game tries to break the stupid mold people are stuck in.

Judge_Mental_One

The veteran Lvl are a good thing, and I am pretty sure I read somewhere that the max vet lvl you can reach will steadily increase whenever they give us new content which they were aiming to be every month or so. Seems like a very smart move to me.

As has been said, in most games you hit max lvl and then grind. You grind dailies, you grind rep and you grind gear. Some of the grinding is fun, some of it is a chore. Sooner or later after you've been grinding for awhile, an alt gets made, and you start lvling again.

Why does the alt almost always get made, all the fun is at "end game" isn't it? Beacause alot of the fun in MMOs and RPGs in general is lvling your character to become stronger, and spending the points that come from leveling. When your only progression becomes gear based, I think a little something is lost.

So having the max lvl constantly move ahead, and having story, quest based content to do while aiming for that max lvl seems to me like a very well designed end game that if done right could keep us all interested for years.

Is it going to be well done enough for that to be the case? Only time will tell.

Frail_Old_Man

50 is not the max level.