PSA - STOP THE WEREWOLF/VAMPIRE GRIEIFING - Want to be a were/vamp? Think again!

Dante_Marquis

This needs to be bumped up and addressed.

stylernaku

Not meaning to go off topic but this myth of being owned in pvp? Well i'm not even level 20 yet, and as a Nightblade vamp I'm killing just fine until ganked like everyone else. The vamp abilities are stronger than standard fare and get the drop on someone they are brown bread. There are also vamp pvp youtube video's, go watch them.

grabbintrionb14_ESO

Theres like 20 people camping every spawn point

Laplace

This is how bad it is getting. Congratulations, Zenimax, your community is now generating negative publicity in gaming journalism sites.

Gillysan

Negative publicity?

But for now, the weird little situation in places like Riften brings the best out of Elder Scrolls and the MMO genre for Elder Scrolls Online--and I suspect I'll remember it more than my battles against the forces of Molag Bal a year from now. And when that happens in an MMO, the developers have done their jobs well

Pravus

The mobs are in the specific areas for a reason with the level because they're ment to be obtained at a later level though they didn't add any restrictions so the player can be free and play as he/she wants without being locked to a certain place or type. I got infected at level 15 and and completed the quest at the same level, it was difficult but doable.

All I really see of zenimax fixing this issue is to change the spawns to random locations as in not have specific spawn points but randomize them I mean throughout the 3 high level zones anywhere in that area they can spawn. That's the only way I see of solving the camping issue to kill the mobs, as for being scammed well thats the risk you take online, never know if they're telling the truth or not.

My main problem I see is that the vampires skill tree takes quit a long time just to level up where as the werewolf tree doesn't seem to be as long. Quite irritating cause I want the other skills and buffs as well as the bite yet I have to work a lot harder just cause I chose the vampire instead of a werewolf, they should at least be the same for leveling.

horizon011b14_ESO

please shut down all spawning vamps so the population is regulated by actual player vampires..

Islyn

Darkholynova wrote: »

It won't matter in a month so why would ANYONE want the devs to waste time working on it

Because they themselves might want to level the skill before a month has passed?
*Seriously?*
I am lucky I have friends who will do mine free, but I feel for others who want it and are being treated this way.

foot_baller24

Selling WW bite once servers are up 20k msg me in game @sleepsoftly. Oh wait... yeh still selling my scratch.

Lausanna

If I get bit I'll give it away. That'll learn 'em!

MornaBaine

Victoria_Marquis wrote: »

Jessabella wrote: »

CrimsonThomas wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

i think the vamp/werewolf stuff was only added when the game came out, not sure.

What I'm trying to say, is that it would seem these obvious exploits should have been found before release, but since they were not, I ask if it was actually tested.

Like @driosketch said, this was something that was brought up in PTS testing, but we were very civil to each other during the PTS testing, we did not ninja loot a chest if another player failed to open it, we didn't run up and grab a node when obviously another player was there first, and we did not do stuff to each other to make it impossible to enjoy every aspect of the game, like farming the same bosses or killing of all of one type of mob.

We agree Jessabella, in beta everyone was polite, no one node, or chest Stole, All these snot nosed kids that are playing MMO's these day do not have any etiquette.

Back in the day such as in the first original MMO's like Meridian 59, Ultima Online, & Ever Quest people would not kill steal, loot steal, or node steal, for one it was an I.P. Account Ban able offence..... and the community would report names of players who had no gaming etiquette, or was a griefer, or trolls.

Kids these day thinks its cool to be called a troll, they think being a smart ass little *** make them popular..... Once the community put you on the "Black List" no one would group with you, buy from you, buy any of your items in the Auction House, Kicked you out of all guilds, and pretty much exiled you from the game. To bad the gamer community of today would still do that... Imagine how friendly and courteous the MMO world would be today.

Here is some common since gaming etiquette that we use......When my wife and I play if we see someone heading to a resource node we do not power rush up and steal the node from the other player. If someone got there first we will let them have it, if we even think that we may have stolen a node by accident we would do a trade and give them what we looted. or would at the least say sorry, would you like to have it lets trade.

Most games no longer have Kill stealing problems due to it no longer matters who hits the creatures for the most damage gets the loot, now its just whoever hits it first. Here again the proper gaming etiquette would be if you see someone running to the same mob if they get there fist let them have it.... Most games you can help kill the mobs now so you cab help as long as the other player dose not mind the help. personally We just hang back and only help if it looks like they are going to die, at that point we will toss them a heal, or if not a healer we would through in some hits to help kill the mob before they kill the player.

Trolling & Griefing, we are not sure when American society change to where children and immature adults started thinking being an ass hole was cool, maybe when it no longer became politically correct to spank the *** out of our kids when they could no longer distinguish right from wrong?
Perhaps the game developers should start making a better community by monitoring their chat more closely, anyone caught Griefing, Trolling, Bullying, or just being a general ass hole in chat should be an I.P. account banned.

Life is short folks, most of us work very hard long days and all we want to do is enjoy a game to get us out of IRL for a bit. The last thing we want to do is bring In Real Life into our gaming world... so please try to be respectful to each other, show some common since gaming etiquette, lets play and have fun with each other and keep civil. after all..... you never know when you was an ass hole to a healer and when you need that heal...they just walk away and let you die

I love you man. Join our guild! LOL Seriously though, I am quoting your whole post because it really bears repeating. Thank you. And yes, you and your lady would indeed be welcome in House Gawad Du if you like "dark and scary" RP with a bunch of "mature" lore nerds!

Soloeus

Midgardian wrote: »

They should just implement special quest lines that allow you to become a vampire or werewolf, hence solving this problem.

This.

MornaBaine

oddhbrekkeb16_ESO wrote: »

Honestly, I just think it's cool. I think there should be more things like this. The bigger part the player can take in the game world, the better. Demanding real life currency should of course be banned. But paying for it with in-game currency? Sure thing. I will never understand those of you who want to sacrifice immersion for comfort and coddling. Just be better than these people at finding the bloodfiends. Took me 5 minutes of reading to find out how. And 15 mins after entering the zone at nighttime I contracted the disease.

Now, I don't sell my gift. I arrange the Rallick Nom Vampire games. Where the winner gets an infectious bite, good fun.

I wouldn't mind this system at all IF 1) they would fix the damn spawns so that the bloodfiends actually spawned equally with the werewolves and 2) they actually had some sort of system in place to stop the greifing when the mobs DO show up.

EDIT to add: I really like what you do to spread the bite. Only the worthy will do! I wouldn't tell people they CAN'T sell it, but I personally never will. I'd prefer to use it as part of roleplay.

jircris11

Syndica wrote: »

The only problem with claiming roleplay for griefing like this is that no real roleplayer would purposely go out of their way to exploit it like this. Trying to horde the mob and sell the bite is exploiting.

Thank you for posting this, i was going to myself but no need to. I am a RPer and dislike when griefers claim to be RPers and claim they are roleplaying...the only role i see them playing is that of a jerk. But in the end i think they are jerks IRL thus don't know any better.

Raice

CrimsonThomas wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

i think the vamp/werewolf stuff was only added when the game came out, not sure.

What I'm trying to say, is that it would seem these obvious exploits should have been found before release, but since they were not, I ask if it was actually tested.

People tend not to be *** to one another in closed Betas, simply because they want to keep playing. Stuff like this never really comes up until it goes Live, or at least Open Beta.

Since this game didn't have an Open Beta with that content in it... well...

MornaBaine

I think they keep screwing up the bloodfiend spawn with these constant server resets. Yet they refuse to address the issue and tell us what the deal is. I am NOT happy with Zenimax and Bethesda right now.

Kirota

I'd like to see the vampire/werewolf issue as just a quest that you can do, or not do. I got so tired of spawn camping (I've been doing it since Thursday, April 10th). I decided to try to buy a bite off someone just to get the person to take my money and then go 'Thieves guild, yo!', ungroup and take off. Luckily gold doesn't really do much for me other than buy more bank space which is bugged and I lost all my items 2x already, so as if I'm buying more space to lose more stuff? Not for a while, anyways.

Quests would curb the bite selling (and scamming). Most people just want to experience the difference a change can make, and decide if it's right for them. Not because they're Twilight enthusiasts. I really hate that everyone brings up that stupid movie, it ruined vampires and werewolves - it's not a valid representation of them. I honestly just want to play the game, and not have to worry about spending days on end camping spawns to get the possibility of a bite/scratch - or deal with the meatheads that think it's just so funny to "RP" being vampire/werewolf killers so they can justify killing spawns to tick people off, or people claiming to sell bites and then being an ass.

If Zeni disabled vampire spawns, they should just say something so people can stop wasting their time.

If anyone on the North American megaserver wants to donate a bite to a poor, exhausted, ripped-off, bank item losing player.. just message me. @Kirota in game. Much love. I hope things get sorted out soon.

starkerealm

Kirota wrote: »

I decided to try to buy a bite off someone just to get the person to take my money and then go 'Thieves guild, yo!', ungroup and take off.

I seriously hope you reported them.

xxs0cksxx

Just report all those people camping the spawns for griefing and hindering gameprogress of other players.
It will get them permanently banned - and yes they might spam in the forum "omg lolz i been banned, but no know y".
But thats ok on my part. These people need to learn that extortion is a crime.

reggielee

report the players doing this and perhaps the devs will give them a temp suspension for griefing

Prospero_ESO

Doowie wrote: »

I kill the werewolves as soon as I see them. This is so I can still make players give me 15k to 30k gold ingame for my bite

I'm playing the game as Zenimax allows me too. If I happen to run by and those werewolves aggro me ... well I better kill them to make them stop and oh look I get crafting materials from as well.

But I can taste the tears of people in this thread, nom nom nom

Really can´t wait until you sorry ass will be banned from this game nom nom

Filena

Well atm betwen vamp/ww grief, main quest bug, npc bug who never help you, exploit right and left and stuck loading, fall under world... they won't earn my 15$ a month for sure atm.

madame.kiraeb17_ESO

jircris11 wrote: »

Syndica wrote: »

The only problem with claiming roleplay for griefing like this is that no real roleplayer would purposely go out of their way to exploit it like this. Trying to horde the mob and sell the bite is exploiting.

Thank you for posting this, i was going to myself but no need to. I am a RPer and dislike when griefers claim to be RPers and claim they are roleplaying...the only role i see them playing is that of a jerk. But in the end i think they are jerks IRL thus don't know any better.

Precisely. People should not even try to say roleplayers love to do this sorta thing, cause they don't in most cases. I have yet to see a single roleplayer in my guilds (and I'm in 3 roleplay guilds) do this sort of behaviour. Instead, people are offering to give out bites if it's roleplayed out, and sometimes not even that. I've only seen a very small handful (less than 5) actually try to sell it.

CaptainTrips

Every night now the sites are being camped ... the random spawn thing has to change or at least ZOS need to make the mobs spawn in totally random locations - no one gets a chance otherwise as the griefers just kill them asap.

Radianze

Heres your solution for scams:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/82855/service-3rd-party-bite-program#latest

Nehemia

CaptainTrips wrote: »

Every night now the sites are being camped ... the random spawn thing has to change or at least ZOS need to make the mobs spawn in totally random locations - no one gets a chance otherwise as the griefers just kill them asap.

This is the only viable suggestion made in 15 pages. You cannot possibly expect people not to guard their resource nodes (in this case, denying others of the said resource in order to gain personal profit). But if they couldn't possibly know where the said resource is, they couldn't deny it. Just make the spawns random and the problem is addressed.

P.S After reading this thread my vampire bite price just went up to 50k, I advice all other vampires to do the same so we can get out profit margins up before ZoS introduces something stupid like a quest line.

Chlori

Paske wrote: »

No one is "stealing from you". They are simply better at this game then you

Your right, they are not stealing, its more commonly known as "Extortion"

Also, the fact we have all payed for the game shouldn't mean you should be held hostage by other players and being forced to pay money to participate in content.

It "sounds" to me like your trying to justify their actions because its something you do already or are planning on doing.

Also, the only thing they are better at doing, is finding themselves in trouble with games masters as something like this i am sure Zen will take very seriously. What they are doing is griefing people by obstructing them from playing content and charging them ingame or real life currency for it.

This is utterly disgusting

WhiteTigerex

SWG - Jedi - PreCu.
All im saying. Stop whining. Not every aspect, is available to everyone. Be better, do better, and youll get access to it too.

Plus, you wanna talk exploiting, or bending the intention of the developers? Its the people whos NOT killing them.
Getting hit, running away, resetting the mobs so everyone in the zone gets access to what was intended to be a side thing to actually being in a fight where you kill the mobs?

Thats just as much, if not more, exploiting than the people who kill them. Its just more beneficial to the crybabies, and bad players who dont deserve to get it in the first place. The people who want everything in the game handed to them on silver platters.

Yes, I have both vampirism and Lycanthropy ingame.
No, I havent paid for either.
No, I havent killed the spawns.
No, I havent charged for bites.

No I dont give a *** about people not managing to get bitten before they get killed. Its a game, sometimes, you dont get it the exact way you want it.

TL;DR ? Learn to read.

Hatti

which precu you mean? jedi village or level all professions? in both scenarios you knew when you will get to jedi.. there was no super random spawn needed like vamp/ww
sure it was pain in the *** but everyone knew, there is a specific time, when they will archieve it...

edith says:

dont forget, in both scenarios, you had to do anything and not camping hours of hours for nothing..

Hexi

Hatti wrote: »

which precu you mean? jedi village or level all professions? in both scenarios you knew when you will get to jedi.. there was no super random spawn needed like vamp/ww
sure it was pain in the *** but everyone knew, there is a specific time, when they will archieve it...

edith says:

dont forget, in both scenarios, you had to do anything and not camping hours of hours for nothing..

Jedi, yes. Knight? Not so much. The monsters you needed to kill for the trials were completely random and rare. As a DJK myself, I happen to know this.

Try again.