You going to do something about all the Bots?

IronMaiden_burnout

I took a video of bots in action in the mage guild quest dungeon forget the name.
I'l be the first to admit that I do stick around at the boss and kill it a few times for loot. But make no mistake these dudes I took a video of they were 5 and all stuck together and they had skills popping off in perfect harmony for the whole 20 mins i watched them. The skills were going off boss or none. And in all that time they never moved an inch. This is a macro script program at work!.

I need to convert this frap video and upload it when i get the chance.

Loxy37

The big big problem I found from the very moment I played beta was the mini Boss's in public dungeons, they always drop filled soul gems and green, blue gear and other stuff + their spawn timer is less than a couple of minutes. Its very easy system to abuse and even I abuse it to some extent to gather soul gems, combine 10 bots with 100 inventory and its easy gold for their illicit buisness. Some very bad decisions have been made in ESO I'm afraid and I often wonder which air brains come up with these ideas, obviously not real MMO players or designers.

Rantog

Kyosji wrote: »

Rantog wrote: »

Kyosji wrote: »

Welp, I say provide a few hours of non-stop video of you watching these 'bots', or you have nothing to back your claim up with. Seems fair.

So I should give up my game time to do the job of someone Paid to do so at Zenimax?

And if I do, are you actually going to Admit they're bots?

Well, considering you already admitted that you watched them 'hours on end', sure. If you upload a video of a few hours of these 'bots' farming a boss in complete sync, I'll admit to you they were bots. If not, or you can't, you really have no right to call someone a bot. If I'm wrong, please let me know where you got your degree in 'Bot-tology', and I will apologize once again.

I take it you don't bother to look at the chat at all.
We've been discussing this for the last 5+ hours, between the people going to check on them, there hasn't been a single second they weren't being observed by Several people.

I take it if you had a brick hit the sidewalk in front of you, and you looked up to see a man with an armload of bricks, holding another one up to throw it down at you - you would obviously conclude that the brick that hit the street must have fallen from an airplane passing over. Sheesh

I mean...
If it looks like a duck...
walks like a duck...
and quacks like a duck...

It is obviously a mutated rhinocerous.

Nanigae

I haven't been able to actually 'see' a boss in the last few dungeons. They are merely a blob on the floor with 5 or 6 "players' standing over said blob. I'm lucky if I get the achievement for finishing but I never get enough hits in to warrant sharing the reward as the boss is dead in a second. I don't care if people want to spend all their time farming, but they are preventing me from even SEEING the boss, let alone gaining from it.

Loxy37

I must say that I have seen any bots in ESO yet. I've seen enough people farming mini boss's but non have been bots. Bots would use a macro to target their desired boss only but nothing more and everyone I've seen up to no run around killing everything in between spawns. Gold seller also seem to be less of late.

Tamisan

Have you ever noticed how annoying zone chat is? Some people disable all but the guild chat. Doesn't mean we're bots or antisocial.

raglau

Rantog wrote: »

I find it interesting that several are trying so hard to argue that these are Real players..
.

I think that's because most people believe in innocent until proven guilty.

I can only comment on what I have witnessed and indeed tried myself; joining a group of players farming a boss in a public dungeon.

If you feel you have seen something different then why not record it and give to Zenimax?

RubyTigress

What these guys who are farming are going to end up doing is causing the loot on these bosses to be nerfed to nothingness.

So, yeah, if you're continously farming for loots, could ya give it a rest for a bit?

Skillet

I ran into this yesterday. If this is going to be the norm for this game, then I'm out after 28 days.

Kyosji

Rantog wrote: »

Kyosji wrote: »

Rantog wrote: »

Kyosji wrote: »

Welp, I say provide a few hours of non-stop video of you watching these 'bots', or you have nothing to back your claim up with. Seems fair.

So I should give up my game time to do the job of someone Paid to do so at Zenimax?

And if I do, are you actually going to Admit they're bots?

Well, considering you already admitted that you watched them 'hours on end', sure. If you upload a video of a few hours of these 'bots' farming a boss in complete sync, I'll admit to you they were bots. If not, or you can't, you really have no right to call someone a bot. If I'm wrong, please let me know where you got your degree in 'Bot-tology', and I will apologize once again.

I take it you don't bother to look at the chat at all.
We've been discussing this for the last 5+ hours, between the people going to check on them, there hasn't been a single second they weren't being observed by Several people.

I take it if you had a brick hit the sidewalk in front of you, and you looked up to see a man with an armload of bricks, holding another one up to throw it down at you - you would obviously conclude that the brick that hit the street must have fallen from an airplane passing over. Sheesh

I mean...
If it looks like a duck...
walks like a duck...
and quacks like a duck...

It is obviously a mutated rhinocerous.

Why must they always be so overly defensive and hostile when you make a point they can't deal with?

driosketch

Even if none of them are bots, the fact that this play style is disrupting other players from completing a dungeon is a problem. I say getting a false report is the very least you deserve. Do players not understand why dungeon mobs are now worth only a handful of xp, why the player kill quest is now a daily? You're practically begging boss loot to get the nerf bat next.

Epona222

Hold on - I was sitting in a dungeon yesterday waiting for the boss to spawn because if I managed to hit him, he was dropping loot with intricate traits and I want those for my crafting. If someone speaks to me in that situation I may not respond, because I am trying to concentrate. That does not make me a bot! Also sometimes I leave the room for a few minutes to make a drink or take a hygiene break, and may not respond.

Please try to be absolutely certain before reporting anyone for being a bot. There are a lot of people at the moment farming certain bosses for items to research or deconstruct, or just to get XP. Although that might be slightly annoying, it is not illegal.

Rantog

Epona222 wrote: »

Hold on - I was sitting in a dungeon yesterday waiting for the boss to spawn because if I managed to hit him, he was dropping loot with intricate traits and I want those for my crafting. If someone speaks to me in that situation I may not respond, because I am trying to concentrate. That does not make me a bot! Also sometimes I leave the room for a few minutes to make a drink or take a hygiene break, and may not respond.

Please try to be absolutely certain before reporting anyone for being a bot. There are a lot of people at the moment farming certain bosses for items to research or deconstruct, or just to get XP. Although that might be slightly annoying, it is not illegal.

You don't look like this when you decide to farm a boss as a real player..

4 sorcerers.
between boss spawns, firing persistant staff shots.
instantly on spawn - before most players are even able to See the boss appear...

2 of the 4 cast storm, and the other 2 use that other fast cast ability (I haven't really played sorc to name it, but the sequence doesn't change)
then the pairs reverse, and the first pair uses the 2nd ability, and the 2nd pair uses storm.
Then repeating the cycle until the boss is dead - and back to endless staff shots.

Never once does any of the sorcerers fire out of turn, or in offset of even 1 second to the rest of the group, nor is there ever a delay in responding to the boss spawning.
Perfect, synchronization between them, every single spawn that we watch.


So no, unless you are running a bot, you are unlikely to be mistaken for one.

Kyosji

driosketch wrote: »

Even if none of them are bots, the fact that this play style is disrupting other players from completing a dungeon is a problem. I say getting a false report is the very least you deserve. Do players not understand why dungeon mobs are now worth only a handful of xp, why the player kill quest is now a daily? You're practically begging boss loot to get the nerf bat next.

Every MMORPG EVER has it this way. If you don't like this play style, maybe you should try a different game genre? People fight bosses for items. They will keep farming them until they get what they want. What's the problem with that? Also, it is in no way disrupting players from completing the 'dungeon;. If anything, it's helping them. All they have to do is hit it once and they get the credit and some loot.

Ulliam

Saw this on reddit today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDu5J9YpB68&list=UUTY7pCmRzfcmTy6_WvIo-Pg

Video proof of BOTS farming nodes with a teleport hack.

Kyosji

Ulliam wrote: »

Saw this on reddit today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDu5J9YpB68&list=UUTY7pCmRzfcmTy6_WvIo-Pg

Video proof of BOTS farming nodes with a teleport hack.

I agree. Those are bots.

Nanigae

[quote
Every MMORPG EVER has it this way. If you don't like this play style, maybe you should try a different game genre? People fight bosses for items. They will keep farming them until they get what they want. What's the problem with that? Also, it is in no way disrupting players from completing the 'dungeon;. If anything, it's helping them. All they have to do is hit it once and they get the credit and some loot.
[/quote]

No, they do not get any loot as they can't get enough % hit on it to get any loot when faced with bots standing on top of the spawn.

Naguur86

Some comments here feel like people are denying that bots do exist for eso.
Most times it's pretty obvious when you see a bot. No human beeing is able to repeat the same actions in a specific order and timing over and over again and to walk the exact same path over and over again.

Like for every other mmo there is already advertising for bots on youtube. From the look of it some function like a simple makro recorder what gives you the ability to add some "humany" movements like silly jumping or thinks like that. This way a player running by will not recognize them as a bot but if you look a little you will se that they do the exact same jump at the exact same place again and again.

Even if someone is farming one boss the whole time as a real player, you would see some proof of the player beeing a human.

Those two in the video are more than obvious of course^^

driosketch

Kyosji wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Even if none of them are bots, the fact that this play style is disrupting other players from completing a dungeon is a problem. I say getting a false report is the very least you deserve. Do players not understand why dungeon mobs are now worth only a handful of xp, why the player kill quest is now a daily? You're practically begging boss loot to get the nerf bat next.

Every MMORPG EVER has it this way. If you don't like this play style, maybe you should try a different game genre? People fight bosses for items. They will keep farming them until they get what they want. What's the problem with that? Also, it is in no way disrupting players from completing the 'dungeon;. If anything, it's helping them. All they have to do is hit it once and they get the credit and some loot.

A couple players have already mentioned trouble even getting a hit on the boss, so yes it is a problem.

Also don't assume ZOS is running a traditional MMO here. One thing to remember is that farming loot is a kind of a waste of time, especially at the low levels. You will out level that stock pile soul gems in short order. And between soft caps and the rate you level at, even blue gear has a pretty limited life span.

cheeser123

BlackSparrow wrote: »

Also, if your farming disrupts the gameplay of others, then you should be reported either way. Multiple times, I.haven't been able to get a hit in edgewise because the bots/farmers have reached critical mass and take the boss down in seconds. Immersion-breaking, I can tolerate in an MMO... not letting me finish my quests will lead to reporting.

Gosh, it's really too bad they rushed this thing out and ditched the features that would have let players opt-out of those kinds of shared boss runs and questing.

Tetrasoli

The litmus tests of verifying botting behavior in delves.

1) A player, or players, not moving from a fixed location.
2) Multiple players with similar jibberish names (e.g. hjjk, nkkl, etc)
3) Synchronicity of attacks by said players.
4) Player, or players, will start casting immediately as the boss spawns, often before the NPC model has had a chance to fully load on client-side.
5) Instantly ignoring trade invites, initiation of chat or other interaction with others.

Savinder

Saw a couple of bots in a dungeon and even one of those node harvesters teleporting around.

Kyosji

Nanigae wrote: »

[quote
Every MMORPG EVER has it this way. If you don't like this play style, maybe you should try a different game genre? People fight bosses for items. They will keep farming them until they get what they want. What's the problem with that? Also, it is in no way disrupting players from completing the 'dungeon;. If anything, it's helping them. All they have to do is hit it once and they get the credit and some loot.

No, they do not get any loot as they can't get enough % hit on it to get any loot when faced with bots standing on top of the spawn.

[/quote]

I've only ever had to hit the bosses once to get loot...not sure what yoru issue is there.

pinkempyreal

Ulliam wrote: »

Saw this on reddit today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDu5J9YpB68&list=UUTY7pCmRzfcmTy6_WvIo-Pg

Video proof of BOTS farming nodes with a teleport hack.

I was wondering why I've seen so many people teleport away after harvesting and often when they are standing a stones throw from a Wayshrine. So with their hack they don't have to pay the recall fee?
But this whole bot thing irritates me. Sure I can still collect loot from a boss if I get my hit in, but it takes away from the fun when every boss is felled in seconds. I like having to actually strategize my skills and coop with others on these fights and bots and even farmers take away from that!
Oh well, such is life and there will always be people who do this kind of crap

gustasonmichaelub17_ESO

Rantog wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Hold on - I was sitting in a dungeon yesterday waiting for the boss to spawn because if I managed to hit him, he was dropping loot with intricate traits and I want those for my crafting. If someone speaks to me in that situation I may not respond, because I am trying to concentrate. That does not make me a bot! Also sometimes I leave the room for a few minutes to make a drink or take a hygiene break, and may not respond.

Please try to be absolutely certain before reporting anyone for being a bot. There are a lot of people at the moment farming certain bosses for items to research or deconstruct, or just to get XP. Although that might be slightly annoying, it is not illegal.

You don't look like this when you decide to farm a boss as a real player..
...
So no, unless you are running a bot, you are unlikely to be mistaken for one.

^ Well sweet.

I personally haven't run into any bots (that I know of) while I've done one or two instances of farming the bosses.
Mine was almost impossible NOT to farm--- killed the bosses, and then they immediately respawned.
...so we killed them again.
Aaaand then they respawned again, instantaneously.
...so we killed them again-- usually with the exact same attack cycle because what works, works. /shrug

It happened 4 times in a row [usually]. And I needed the gear for crafting, so I was all for it.
The system breaks down a bit because--from what I observed--the bosses would spawn those 3 or 4 times in a row every time a "new" person ran into the room.
Well when people discovered that this was an easy gear grab, they joined the mob-- after all, they were respawning right on top of you; you'd might as well keep killing them 'til they're gone.

Just as quickly as these mobs formed, however, they dispersed. Because people soon discovered that it took a "new" person running in, and our instance was already full of people waiting to farm, everybody ended up just standing around staring at each other. lol

Result--- group breaks up, and people went about their business elsewhere. The gear wasn't even that good, but I did need it for crafting research and the like. --Definitely wasn't doing it for the xp. lol

*Edited for spelling. I'm a *** like that.

Stienbjorn

@pinkempyreal they are not recalling to a different shrine, they are using what is usually called a map hack. It allows them to teleport to a position on the map. I know a game I worked on had a similar ability for devs and testers to use that allowed instant travel to any map note, but that behavior only worked on development environments and was not something that they could use on a live environment. This hack allows them, when combined with different API's, to literally teleport to each resource node, harvest it and more on to the next resource node.

SuperCahouete

There's a promotional video on youtube for their bot. I don't want to post the link right here but you can find it, just type "ESO BOT teaser" in youtube ....

cheeser123

Stienbjorn wrote: »

@pinkempyreal they are not recalling to a different shrine, they are using what is usually called a map hack. It allows them to teleport to a position on the map. I know a game I worked on had a similar ability for devs and testers to use that allowed instant travel to any map note, but that behavior only worked on development environments and was not something that they could use on a live environment. This hack allows them, when combined with different API's, to literally teleport to each resource node, harvest it and more on to the next resource node.

And every one of those accounts should be perm-banned. This is one place where Zenimax needs to take a stand. This isn't Diablo 3 where gold farming is just a nuisance and a source of never-ending spam. This is an MMO that hinges on questing and harvesting and so forth. Of course, this is a long-term issue. Right now, Zenimax should worry about having subscribers left at all after 2-3 months.

hawke21

Is there a explanation for why code can't be written to auto-boot someone using a bot like this? I mean, cmon. if the server is tracking player moving from point a to b, if it gets to b impossibly fast, then its cheating = boot.

b_radd2009b14_ESO

There's nothing wrong with farming a boss and nothing wrong with macro's...it's part of the game. Node botting is the real issue. And if you can get a hit off on a boss you're using the wrong ability, use an instant cast like poison arrow and you'll get it every time.