Unique Motif styles for Overland Difficulty

NikoSquared · February 26

I was thinking of ways for Overland Difficulty being worth it to run other than the challenge side

What if there was a crafting motif that could drop rarely depending on the difficulty selected? So a “Adventurer” style, “Seasoned” style, a “Master” style, and an elusive “Vestige” style

Then, the drop rate could scale based on certain factors of the mob being killed, like
- difficulty of the mob,
- damage dealt to mob on said difficulty,
- damage taken from mob on said difficulty (to all attackers),
- healing/shielding received from players on said difficulty,

and that would help prevent “cheesing” the system to farm motifs, what do you guys think?

Erickson9610 · February 26

As long as these motifs are not tradable, I don't see an issue. They're purely cosmetic, and disallowing them from being traded prevents them from influencing the economy. Though that does mean if they show up in crafting writs, those players would need to actually play the game in those difficulties to earn those styles.

WerewolfMoonHunter · February 26

NikoSquared wrote: »

I was thinking of ways for Overland Difficulty being worth it to run other than the challenge side

What if there was a crafting motif that could drop rarely depending on the difficulty selected? So a “Adventurer” style, “Seasoned” style, a “Master” style, and an elusive “Vestige” style

Then, the drop rate could scale based on certain factors of the mob being killed, like
- difficulty of the mob,
- damage dealt to mob on said difficulty,
- damage taken from mob on said difficulty (to all attackers),
- healing/shielding received from players on said difficulty,

and that would help prevent “cheesing” the system to farm motifs, what do you guys think?

I like the idea, but the drops must be bound. Otherwise it won't have much sense.

LunaFlora · February 26

As long as they are tradeable sure!

Low drop chances on difficulty modes not everyone will use seems not fun.
Similarly not fun like Treasure Map antiquity furnishings.

edited to change "antiquity antiquities" to "antiquity furnishings".

Arunei · February 26

Why would they need to be bound? People can already do really hard Dungeons and trade the Motifs that drop from those, why would these be any different? The logic of "people would have to do the content" should be applied to ALL Motifs in that case.

If something like this were to be implemented they should be like every other Motif, which is to say be tradeable.

Erickson9610 · February 26

Arunei wrote: »

Why would they need to be bound? People can already do really hard Dungeons and trade the Motifs that drop from those, why would these be any different? The logic of "people would have to do the content" should be applied to ALL Motifs in that case.

If something like this were to be implemented they should be like every other Motif, which is to say be tradeable.

I feel that the intention of difficulty-based motifs is to reward you for playing on a higher difficulty, to show off your skill at the game. It's something more than just gold and XP, at least.

Being able to buy the motifs for the highest difficulty would defeat the purpose of having motifs for utilizing Challenge Difficulty.

Arunei · February 26

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

Why would they need to be bound? People can already do really hard Dungeons and trade the Motifs that drop from those, why would these be any different? The logic of "people would have to do the content" should be applied to ALL Motifs in that case.

If something like this were to be implemented they should be like every other Motif, which is to say be tradeable.

I feel that the intention of difficulty-based motifs is to reward you for playing on a higher difficulty, to show off your skill at the game. It's something more than just gold and XP, at least.

Being able to buy the motifs for the highest difficulty would defeat the purpose of having motifs for utilizing Challenge Difficulty.

How though? The person selling it was still able to do it, and just as many would be doing the content for the challenge itself (since that's what so many people claimed to want over the years) and would either use the Motifs or sell them because they don't care about rewards and only actually wanted the added challenge.

Also how does it defeat the purpose when people who DO want extra rewards use those rewards? You can't claim it would defeat the purpose for everyone when only a portion of people doing the content would be doing it to farm stuff to sell.

NikoSquared · February 26

My intent with this post was to have them “unbound” as an item to be sold to other players, in theory being worth lots of gold due to the difficulty to obtain, like Dungeon Motifs.

Perhaps they could be “bound” as well, maybe it could be similar to scribe scripts, where you can get guaranteed bound drops daily by playing on a higher overland difficulty, but “unbound” is harder to obtain and/or luck dependent

Carcamongus · February 26

People have been complaining for years that overland is too easy, so getting what they asked for should be enough of an incentive to up the difficulty. I'm against creating rewards that are limited to those who choose higher difficulties.

Emeratis · February 26

I'm personally not a fan of this. I have niche uses for the overland difficulty (mostly actually getting to hear story bosses' dialogue instead of afking til they talk so I don't accidentally nuke them) but outside of that and challenges with friends I'd prefer not to feel pressured to use it when I don't want to. I'd rather them keep the system as more optional/choice based. I think better droprate on existing items would be fine but adding new exclusive drops to higher difficulties is not what I want to see.

wolfie1.0. · February 26

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

Why would they need to be bound? People can already do really hard Dungeons and trade the Motifs that drop from those, why would these be any different? The logic of "people would have to do the content" should be applied to ALL Motifs in that case.

If something like this were to be implemented they should be like every other Motif, which is to say be tradeable.

I feel that the intention of difficulty-based motifs is to reward you for playing on a higher difficulty, to show off your skill at the game. It's something more than just gold and XP, at least.

Being able to buy the motifs for the highest difficulty would defeat the purpose of having motifs for utilizing Challenge Difficulty.

People already buy dungeon runs and trials for achievements for the hardest content.

All this would do is create a similar market for the harder overland content. It would also make running the harder content have less value overtime.

Allowing trading would give reason for a person to keep farming the motifs long after the motif was complete.

NikoSquared · February 27

Carcamongus wrote: »

People have been complaining for years that overland is too easy, so getting what they asked for should be enough of an incentive to up the difficulty. I'm against creating rewards that are limited to those who choose higher difficulties.

Which is why I suggested adding a daily bound page, for maybe killing a world boss or similar, that way people would group up to do so (of course, they’d all have to be on Vestige to have solid odds)

Additionally, Veteran dungeon motifs already exist, and HM increases the drops for those too. This does not clash against existing game design.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 27

What is a "Master" or "Vestige" style exactly, a Master of what?

Displaced_Salad · February 27

Certain players have asked for harder overland difficulty for "the challenge" and I've seen several opponents predict this very thing: becoming about rewards and exclusivity. Meanwhile any mention of an alternate way to acquire game rewards limited to harder content is roundly criticized as being entitled. I'd say that word is more fitting to describe asking for a harder difficulty, actually getting it, ostensibly, and then asking for more.

NikoSquared · 3:05AM

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

What is a "Master" or "Vestige" style exactly, a Master of what?

The names could be different for the other difficulties, but I think a “Vestige” style would be perfect

dcrush · 4:02AM

Displaced_Salad wrote: »

Certain players have asked for harder overland difficulty for "the challenge" and I've seen several opponents predict this very thing: becoming about rewards and exclusivity. Meanwhile any mention of an alternate way to acquire game rewards limited to harder content is roundly criticized as being entitled. I'd say that word is more fitting to describe asking for a harder difficulty, actually getting it, ostensibly, and then asking for more.

Exactly.

Before harder overland was announced
People pro-harder overland “we just want a bigger challenge”
Opponents “This will lead to people asking for increased rewards”
Pro “No dude, I swear, trust me, we only want it for the challenge, please bro just believe me”

After harder overland was announced
Pro “We should get better rewards for this”
Opp “…”

(Yes this is hyperbole and I know there are still players who just want the challenge, but the amount of people asking for better rewards is remarkable)

spartaxoxo · 4:21AM

dcrush wrote: »

Displaced_Salad wrote: »

Certain players have asked for harder overland difficulty for "the challenge" and I've seen several opponents predict this very thing: becoming about rewards and exclusivity. Meanwhile any mention of an alternate way to acquire game rewards limited to harder content is roundly criticized as being entitled. I'd say that word is more fitting to describe asking for a harder difficulty, actually getting it, ostensibly, and then asking for more.

Exactly.

Before harder overland was announced
People pro-harder overland “we just want a bigger challenge”
Opponents “This will lead to people asking for increased rewards”
Pro “No dude, I swear, trust me, we only want it for the challenge, please bro just believe me”

After harder overland was announced
Pro “We should get better rewards for this”
Opp “…”

(Yes this is hyperbole and I know there are still players who just want the challenge, but the amount of people asking for better rewards is remarkable)

The people who said they only wanted a challenge are still the same people saying that and they never claimed to speak for everyone. Now that's its a proper feature, the general public also has their say. And some of them want rewards attached because that's a normal part of gaming.

ETA
Every person is an individual. I have no control over what someone else asks for, never have, and never claimed to. Neither did the vast majority of people who said they'd personally be okay with it not having exclusive rewards.

dcrush · 4:26AM

spartaxoxo wrote: »

dcrush wrote: »

Displaced_Salad wrote: »

Certain players have asked for harder overland difficulty for "the challenge" and I've seen several opponents predict this very thing: becoming about rewards and exclusivity. Meanwhile any mention of an alternate way to acquire game rewards limited to harder content is roundly criticized as being entitled. I'd say that word is more fitting to describe asking for a harder difficulty, actually getting it, ostensibly, and then asking for more.

Exactly.

Before harder overland was announced
People pro-harder overland “we just want a bigger challenge”
Opponents “This will lead to people asking for increased rewards”
Pro “No dude, I swear, trust me, we only want it for the challenge, please bro just believe me”

After harder overland was announced
Pro “We should get better rewards for this”
Opp “…”

(Yes this is hyperbole and I know there are still players who just want the challenge, but the amount of people asking for better rewards is remarkable)

The people who said they only wanted a challenge are still the same people saying that and they never claimed to speak for everyone. Now that's its a proper feature, the general public also has their say. And some of them want rewards attached because that's a normal part of gaming.

Ok, that’s a fair assessment.