Save Your Friends From New World & Amazon. The Time To Act Is Now! :D

rhythmsuji

Video I made taking about the New World Situation and absorbing those players into ESO. OR honestly, anywhere that isn't an Amazon title or similar company lol.

See if you agree, see if you have any friends who might need to watch this. Lets save some NW refugees from going to like Throne & Liberty 😖🤢

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0UQ7yNo1oI

ISO_Flow

I approve of this message. Anything that is Anti Amazon and anti P2W

But also good points I mostly agree

rhythmsuji

ISO_Flow wrote: »

I approve of this message. Anything that is Anti Amazon and anti P2W

But also good points I mostly agree

Grab your pitchfork! We ride at dawn! xD

Four_Fingers

I went from Throne and Liberty to New World. lmao
Both have better combat than ESO, but ESO still my favorite for story content (or at least was).
Oh well, never trust Amazon, Google or MS.

rothan117

I was enjoying New World and their final release was certainly better than what ESO got stuck with this year. Sad.

Radiate77

What you might not understand, is that people fled ESO to New World, they won’t be back.

PvP has not had support in ESO, and New World players are PvP players.

twisttop138

I just recruited our first NW refugee. Some guy was asking for WB help in Apocrypha. I could tell he was new because when I asked if he had a daily quest he had no idea what I meant. I couldn't do the big seeker on my own so my guild mates descended on Apocrypha like an angry swarm. Posted the guild in chat and rode away. He joined immediately. NW convert. He's been very active and I hope he'll bring friends. You never know who might be asking for help in chat and it never hurts to spare 5 minutes.

Edit for missing sentence

scrappy1342

Radiate77 wrote: »

What you might not understand, is that people fled ESO to New World, they won’t be back.

PvP has not had support in ESO, and New World players are PvP players.

wondered about this myself. someone had a thread a week or two ago showing charts of new world and eso populations. it was supposed to show how new world population would go up every time they got new content, but eso didn't do the same or something.... but what i noticed was that about the same number (because most ppl were just talking about the percentages there) of players were leaving the same time as about the same number was going up on the other and then it would swap... which makes me think that a lot of those ppl were already playing both and just going back and forth from one to the other.

rhythmsuji

Four_Fingers wrote: »

I went from Throne and Liberty to New World. lmao
Both have better combat than ESO, but ESO still my favorite for story content (or at least was).
Oh well, never trust Amazon, Google or MS.

Yeah this is the horrible nature of these companies.

They dump money into some alluring factors, but it's the most predatory tactics ever. Into the money pit of P2W structures.

Or in NW where there isnt P2W they just let it fester and die because it's not the structure they love lol.

rhythmsuji

rothan117 wrote: »

I was enjoying New World and their final release was certainly better than what ESO got stuck with this year. Sad.

I don't disagree with you, but we have many better years ahead of us. 2026 can be promising and im hoping.

But New World COULD and SHOULD have been amazing, if it were made by a company with passion instead of Amazon trying to learn how to exploit their best.

rhythmsuji

Radiate77 wrote: »

What you might not understand, is that people fled ESO to New World, they won’t be back.

PvP has not had support in ESO, and New World players are PvP players.

Trust me, I understand.

As I stated I have done the same, and played almost every MMO on the market.

I went to New World thinking it would be my new main MMO, from ESO. There is nothing to not understand, because Amazon consistently fumbled its success (intentionally in a way).

But to say they wont be back, is flat out wrong. Thousands have already returned. And many of us returned years ago, some are just coming back later.

rhythmsuji

twisttop138 wrote: »

I just recruited our first NW refugee. Some guy was asking for WB help in Apocrypha. I could tell he was new because when I asked if he had a daily quest he had no idea what I meant. I couldn't do the big seeker on my own so my guild mates descended on Apocrypha like an angry swarm. Posted the guild in chat and rode away. He joined immediately. NW convert. He's been very active and I hope he'll bring friends. You never know who might be asking for help in chat and it never hurts to spare 5 minutes.

Edit for missing sentence

EXACTLY THIS!!! Thank you friend!! Thats why I don't like this negative propaganda where everything is doom and gloom and "there are no good options" etc.

We still have some good options, ESO is one of them. And my favorite. And there are plenty of people who need to find it and will enjoy it.

Is the game perfect? Is it what every player is looking for? No.

But it's THE BEST for multiple categories, and those people are out there.

rhythmsuji

scrappy1342 wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

What you might not understand, is that people fled ESO to New World, they won’t be back.

PvP has not had support in ESO, and New World players are PvP players.

wondered about this myself. someone had a thread a week or two ago showing charts of new world and eso populations. it was supposed to show how new world population would go up every time they got new content, but eso didn't do the same or something.... but what i noticed was that about the same number (because most ppl were just talking about the percentages there) of players were leaving the same time as about the same number was going up on the other and then it would swap... which makes me think that a lot of those ppl were already playing both and just going back and forth from one to the other.

ESO is not a carrot on the stick game, which I LOVE about it.

But the downside of games like this, and GW2 to an extent.

Is that people can play when they want to. They are less "obligated" to stay in to remain powerful and able to participate.

I have people leave the game and my guild for months or even years at a time, and return in intervals. I clear the AFK's, invite the returning and new and the cycle continues.

I have found plenty of reasons to play daily for years, but some peoples interest are different and less consistent. But ESO is a fantastic host for that. So the peak numbers don't peak as hard as other MMO's, but we also don;t typically ever go dead like other MMO's. At least on PC-NA the game always has people in every zone and all my guilds have 30-80 people online during busy hours.

It's just the nature of a healthier MMO. As to where MMO's which demand you constantly farm and replace your gear with higher gear scores endlessly are extremely unhealthy, are "forced play" instead of playing because you want to. Those numbers act very differently.

Radiate77

ESO needs to change, and it needs to learn why people are so upset over New World’s EoS announcement if they have any plans of welcoming their playerbase.

Important questions need to be asked…

• What made the game great?
• What systems did people enjoy most?
• How can these be adapted?

And until those questions are answered, short term tourists will continue along their adventure and inevitably stop at a game that can provide the same things New World did, and ESO is not that.

If you believe this should change, leave your feedback in my thread where I, among others, have already discussed what we feel would help bridge that gap between players of both games.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/684715/can-we-learn-from-new-world/p1

Danikat

rhythmsuji wrote: »

scrappy1342 wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

What you might not understand, is that people fled ESO to New World, they won’t be back.

PvP has not had support in ESO, and New World players are PvP players.

wondered about this myself. someone had a thread a week or two ago showing charts of new world and eso populations. it was supposed to show how new world population would go up every time they got new content, but eso didn't do the same or something.... but what i noticed was that about the same number (because most ppl were just talking about the percentages there) of players were leaving the same time as about the same number was going up on the other and then it would swap... which makes me think that a lot of those ppl were already playing both and just going back and forth from one to the other.

ESO is not a carrot on the stick game, which I LOVE about it.

But the downside of games like this, and GW2 to an extent.

Is that people can play when they want to. They are less "obligated" to stay in to remain powerful and able to participate.

I have people leave the game and my guild for months or even years at a time, and return in intervals. I clear the AFK's, invite the returning and new and the cycle continues.

I have found plenty of reasons to play daily for years, but some peoples interest are different and less consistent. But ESO is a fantastic host for that. So the peak numbers don't peak as hard as other MMO's, but we also don;t typically ever go dead like other MMO's. At least on PC-NA the game always has people in every zone and all my guilds have 30-80 people online during busy hours.

It's just the nature of a healthier MMO. As to where MMO's which demand you constantly farm and replace your gear with higher gear scores endlessly are extremely unhealthy, are "forced play" instead of playing because you want to. Those numbers act very differently.

One advantage of this design is that a lot of the players doing that probably wouldn't play an MMO they couldn't take breaks from. I know that's the case for me.

My first MMO was Ultima Online and while I loved the idea of that sort of player-driven sandbox MMO (still do love it as a concept) it wasn't practical for me. It quickly got to the point where either it needed to become one of my main hobbies - the thing I'd do for a few hours at a time multiple nights per week, or I'd have to give up on most of the things I wanted to do in the game. So I quit.

For several years I thought MMOs just weren't for me. That was over 20 years ago now, and there's never been a time I could, or would want to, make that kind of commitment to a game. I was a big Warcraft 2 fan and there was a time I thought a Warcraft RPG could be my perfect game (although I was imagining something more like Baldur's Gate 1 & 2) but by the time WoW came out I realised it wasn't going to work for me.

Then I started hearing about MMOs which were less of a commitment to play, including being playable solo if you needed to. Guild Wars 1 was the first I got into, then GW2 and obviously ESO. It might sound contradictory but I've been playing both for over a decade because I've never needed to commit more than I want. I can decide on a day or day basis if I happen to feel like playing it and if I skip a day, or a week or even a month or two it's not a big deal and I can pretty much pick up where I left off when I come back.

The advantage for ESO is that means they're not competing with other games as much, especially other MMOs because players who are free to come and go don't need to make an absolute choice. Last month I managed to play the Writing Wall event, the Witche's Festival and GW2's Halloween festival and make time for other things I wanted to do, because I could play both games in bits and pieces as and when I had time and if I only played the festival and skipped other parts of the game for a few weeks it didn't matter.

colossalvoids

Remember not long ago in another thread I've made a remark about our game moving different direction and that company isn't anymore walking the improvement path but minimum effort short term money grabs and the next day we've got Micro CEO speaking about not competing with other games and studios but with short form content and broader media platforms, making a grim future for any game under its umbrella. Not that it's a first sign or a big news piece, we can see that from the very start and even some time before acquisition when ESO was supposed to be on a steady rails for a new boss and not asking for more investment, so to say.

People went to NW for hope and got shattered after WoW's and ESO's, nowadays, in the current day I won't recommend starting ESO if they didn't already years ago, it's a dead end.

SaffronCitrusflower

I'm still actively looking for a door #3. AoC looks promising, but they're so far behind schedule we have to wonder if that's ever even going to happen.

SaffronCitrusflower

rhythmsuji wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

I just recruited our first NW refugee. Some guy was asking for WB help in Apocrypha. I could tell he was new because when I asked if he had a daily quest he had no idea what I meant. I couldn't do the big seeker on my own so my guild mates descended on Apocrypha like an angry swarm. Posted the guild in chat and rode away. He joined immediately. NW convert. He's been very active and I hope he'll bring friends. You never know who might be asking for help in chat and it never hurts to spare 5 minutes.

Edit for missing sentence

EXACTLY THIS!!! Thank you friend!! Thats why I don't like this negative propaganda where everything is doom and gloom and "there are no good options" etc.

We still have some good options, ESO is one of them. And my favorite. And there are plenty of people who need to find it and will enjoy it.

Is the game perfect? Is it what every player is looking for? No.

But it's THE BEST for multiple categories, and those people are out there.

There has never been a worse time to get invested into ESO. More than half their staff has been laid off in the last six months, just for starters.

Elvenheart

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

rhythmsuji wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

I just recruited our first NW refugee. Some guy was asking for WB help in Apocrypha. I could tell he was new because when I asked if he had a daily quest he had no idea what I meant. I couldn't do the big seeker on my own so my guild mates descended on Apocrypha like an angry swarm. Posted the guild in chat and rode away. He joined immediately. NW convert. He's been very active and I hope he'll bring friends. You never know who might be asking for help in chat and it never hurts to spare 5 minutes.

Edit for missing sentence

EXACTLY THIS!!! Thank you friend!! Thats why I don't like this negative propaganda where everything is doom and gloom and "there are no good options" etc.

We still have some good options, ESO is one of them. And my favorite. And there are plenty of people who need to find it and will enjoy it.

Is the game perfect? Is it what every player is looking for? No.

But it's THE BEST for multiple categories, and those people are out there.

There has never been a worse time to get invested into ESO. More than half their staff has been laid off in the last six months, just for starters.

Well, if a new player wants to play ESO right now, even if the game never added a single other DLC or changed in any way but at least kept running for a good amount of time, there’s so much to do for a new player now, many zones to explore and many, many quests.

I have 12 characters, and while I can say I have done everything in the game on at least one character, I can also say most of my characters have not done everything in the game. Some time has to go by before I want to repeat things, but eventually I do like doing some of these zones again, so I could be occupied with that for years to come. I like when we get new stuff as well and hope it continues and ESO is the 30-year game it hopes to be. But I wouldn’t stop playing if it doesn’t until they turn off the servers.

valenwood_vegan

I'd honestly be embarrassed to actually recommend ESO to anyone in its current state, and without any real knowledge of what's in the pipeline next year and beyond.

Except perhaps for a player looking for a mostly solo questing and exploration experience, in which case the base game on sale is well worth it.

Sarannah

Elvenheart wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

rhythmsuji wrote: »

twisttop138 wrote: »

I just recruited our first NW refugee. Some guy was asking for WB help in Apocrypha. I could tell he was new because when I asked if he had a daily quest he had no idea what I meant. I couldn't do the big seeker on my own so my guild mates descended on Apocrypha like an angry swarm. Posted the guild in chat and rode away. He joined immediately. NW convert. He's been very active and I hope he'll bring friends. You never know who might be asking for help in chat and it never hurts to spare 5 minutes.

Edit for missing sentence

EXACTLY THIS!!! Thank you friend!! Thats why I don't like this negative propaganda where everything is doom and gloom and "there are no good options" etc.

We still have some good options, ESO is one of them. And my favorite. And there are plenty of people who need to find it and will enjoy it.

Is the game perfect? Is it what every player is looking for? No.

But it's THE BEST for multiple categories, and those people are out there.

There has never been a worse time to get invested into ESO. More than half their staff has been laid off in the last six months, just for starters.

Well, if a new player wants to play ESO right now, even if the game never added a single other DLC or changed in any way but at least kept running for a good amount of time, there’s so much to do for a new player now, many zones to explore and many, many quests.

I have 12 characters, and while I can say I have done everything in the game on at least one character, I can also say most of my characters have not done everything in the game. Some time has to go by before I want to repeat things, but eventually I do like doing some of these zones again, so I could be occupied with that for years to come. I like when we get new stuff as well and hope it continues and ESO is the 30-year game it hopes to be. But I wouldn’t stop playing if it doesn’t until they turn off the servers.

Have to agree with this, ESO is so large that even the base game is enough to keep you playing for months or even years. Add DLC's/chapters/DLC features/DLC classes/events/etc to that, and you can play basically forever!

It is always a good time to start your ESO adventure!

Radiate77 wrote: »

What you might not understand, is that people fled ESO to New World, they won’t be back.

PvP has not had support in ESO, and New World players are PvP players.

So you're essentially saying another PvP MMO has failed...

Radiate77

Sarannah wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

What you might not understand, is that people fled ESO to New World, they won’t be back.

PvP has not had support in ESO, and New World players are PvP players.

So you're essentially saying another PvP MMO has failed...

The game had almost a million players on a PC exclusive launch because it was a PvP MMO, just like how ESO had millions on launch because it too, was a PvP MMO.

Both games failed to receive PvP support, and both games lost 99% of their playerbase.

At least New World tried near the end, and corrected course, shame it was too late.

Let’s double back though, I get forums and reddits are a safe space for people who like to attack players who like PvP, but make no mistake…

We are the 99%, we outnumber you guys, and if games want to create bad experiences for our preferred content, we’ll just play other games.

duagloth

I have saved them, from the headaches we endure. Honestly, this game gets laughed at when you try too even mention it too outsiders. Combat is clunky,too many bugs,disconnects,insane change ups for the sake of a change not for valid reasons,poor support and response from developers.

Danikat

I know several people who were excited to play New World when it launched and none of them were interested in PvP. They only mentioned it when assuring friends they were trying to get to play that you could turn it off and never have to worry about it.

Most were former WoW players who got burned out on that game and have been looking for something which gives them the same feeling WoW did when they started, but somehow with less committment because they're all older and have less free time now. I don't think any of them stuck around more than a few months.

Rohamad_Ali

That game's stories didn't interest me. Wacky land.

Sarannah

Radiate77 wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

What you might not understand, is that people fled ESO to New World, they won’t be back.

PvP has not had support in ESO, and New World players are PvP players.

So you're essentially saying another PvP MMO has failed...

The game had almost a million players on a PC exclusive launch because it was a PvP MMO, just like how ESO had millions on launch because it too, was a PvP MMO.

Both games failed to receive PvP support, and both games lost 99% of their playerbase.

At least New World tried near the end, and corrected course, shame it was too late.

Let’s double back though, I get forums and reddits are a safe space for people who like to attack players who like PvP, but make no mistake…

We are the 99%, we outnumber you guys, and if games want to create bad experiences for our preferred content, we’ll just play other games.

New World wrote:

After four years of steady content updates and a major new console release, we've reached a point where it is no longer sustainable to continue supporting the game with new content updates.

Meaning too little income to sustain content.

Wasn't trying to state anything against PvP players or PvP MMO's, sorry if it came across that way. It was more of an observational statement. Personally I don't think most players are PvP players, or that so many tried new world only for the PvP. But simply they wanted a new MMO and wanted to try that one also.

ESO is a good fit for any type of player that loves MMO's, as ESO has singleplayer, multiplayer, and PvP content. Not to mention all the other features like ToT, crafting/gathering resources, going after achievements, chasing leads, filling the stickerbook, housing, outfitting, arena's, infinite archive, etc. ESO is just special, and I can definitely see some NW players ending up here!

Rungar

who will save you from this games wind down? Why would anyone come back to this game when investment has completely stalled. Its doubtful they have the resources or skills to turn it around so it wont be too long before this one is on the blocks as well. i give it another year tops but i would be pleasantly suprised if they could pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Orbital78

Tbh I didn't really know anyone playing it after the initial hype. Not much into mmo pvp, so didn't follow it closely. I would figure they would feel more at home in Dune or Arc Raiders though.

Madarc

rhythmsuji wrote: »

ISO_Flow wrote: »

I approve of this message. Anything that is Anti Amazon and anti P2W

But also good points I mostly agree

Grab your pitchfork! We ride at dawn! xD

A truly glorious idea...
but first, let's ride better for the already lost and endangered hands that kept and keep this game going. So that no more is lost than has been lost so far.

Start as usual at dawn, of course.

ISO_Flow

Orbital78 wrote: »

Tbh I didn't really know anyone playing it after the initial hype. Not much into mmo pvp, so didn't follow it closely. I would figure they would feel more at home in Dune or Arc Raiders though.

I know some, it has a dedicated hardcore fan-base who are ravaged atm

One couple I know of had a wedding which was semi NW themed cause they met in game. And the cancellation message went out just 1-2 days after the wedding. So sad

ISO_Flow

Sarannah wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Radiate77 wrote: »

What you might not understand, is that people fled ESO to New World, they won’t be back.

PvP has not had support in ESO, and New World players are PvP players.

So you're essentially saying another PvP MMO has failed...

The game had almost a million players on a PC exclusive launch because it was a PvP MMO, just like how ESO had millions on launch because it too, was a PvP MMO.

Both games failed to receive PvP support, and both games lost 99% of their playerbase.

At least New World tried near the end, and corrected course, shame it was too late.

Let’s double back though, I get forums and reddits are a safe space for people who like to attack players who like PvP, but make no mistake…

We are the 99%, we outnumber you guys, and if games want to create bad experiences for our preferred content, we’ll just play other games.

New World wrote:

After four years of steady content updates and a major new console release, we've reached a point where it is no longer sustainable to continue supporting the game with new content updates.

Meaning too little income to sustain content.

Wasn't trying to state anything against PvP players or PvP MMO's, sorry if it came across that way. It was more of an observational statement. Personally I don't think most players are PvP players, or that so many tried new world only for the PvP. But simply they wanted a new MMO and wanted to try that one also.

ESO is a good fit for any type of player that loves MMO's, as ESO has singleplayer, multiplayer, and PvP content. Not to mention all the other features like ToT, crafting/gathering resources, going after achievements, chasing leads, filling the stickerbook, housing, outfitting, arena's, infinite archive, etc. ESO is just special, and I can definitely see some NW players ending up here!

Agreed here, I ave already met some who have come here after the bad news