How can I get more fps ?

Navaac223

I've always had bad fps in trials but, since subclassing dropped, I've noticed that my fps was getting lower than ever before. I guess that's because of the increase in damage, though I don't see how that would affect the client.

That's how bad it's getting : https://youtu.be/dXGJuzKcsE8

I'm using pretty much every setting available to increase my fps and I've disabled non essential addons that cause framerate drops like TTC. Are there any more tricks I should know about ?

HatchetHaro

Assuming that you've tested your settings already in overland and found it fine and are only having issues in Trials, this is likely to be a CPU bottleneck.

1. Uninstall some addons. You have way too much junk on your screen. Even better yet, use Addon Selector and Votan's Addon List to manage your addons into profiles so you can enable and disable them freely for the different content you want to do. You don't need Greyskull or Map Pins in Trials. You don't need whatever that is in the top left. Why do you have three boss bars? I'm going to throw slander on Bandits UI because it's based on old FTC modules and that was a terribly optimized addon, so no confidence there. Anyways, I guarantee you that if you disable half the junk in there you'll have a much more pleasant experience.
1.5. Oh my god get rid of the Wizard's Wardrobe icon and info on your screen; it serves zero function while taking up valuable screen space.

2. Set everything to as low as possible, including your Subsampling Quality; these may be graphical settings, but you'd be surprised at how much the CPU is used in rendering the game.

3. Use Fullscreen. This lets you set a lower resolution to render your game at, and if you also lower your Subsampling Quality to Medium or Low, the game will still render your UI at full resolution. Case in point:

(2017 screenshot; rip FTC, I loved you. LUI is my new king.)

If you post your PC specs, you might get better answers. Post your screen resolution too; if I find that you are complaining about FPS while you're playing in 4K, well, add that problem to your list.
How to: (These screenshots are on Windows 11, but the steps are the same on Windows 10.)

Open up your Task Manager by pressing Ctrl+Shift+Esc, and navigate to your performance tab.

Renato90085

Try close Hidegroup addon?
Sometime is Zos problem,my group in some run alway very lag/low fps when mech start
Like I can play eso 70-100 fps in most thing, but in Vka last 3F I alway only 30 fps and game broken

SilverBride

That is a lot of info on the screen. Maybe displaying all that is slowing things down?

Sarannah

Could you also post your specs and maybe a screenshot of your ESO graphic settings? That would allow players to help you out more.

Looking at the video, all I can say is your ESO graphics settings are much much too high. Players often set these under low load(town/overland), instead of testing them under full load and then adjusting them accordingly.

Edit: Standard things to turn down for FPS gains: Lower view distance, fewer particle effects, fewer ally additional effects.

Jaimeh

A few years ago Alcast had an article on their website on how to increase performance in ESO, including FPS, it was pretty easy and straightforward to follow, and I'm sure most of the tips will still be relevant, so maybe you could check it out.

zaria

Sarannah wrote: »

Could you also post your specs and maybe a screenshot of your ESO graphic settings? That would allow players to help you out more.

Looking at the video, all I can say is your ESO graphics settings are much much too high. Players often set these under low load(town/overland), instead of testing them under full load and then adjusting them accordingly.

Edit: Standard things to turn down for FPS gains: Lower view distance, fewer particle effects, fewer ally additional effects.

Agree, Alk'ir dolmen runs is an nice place to test settings as its lots of stuff going off.

Navaac223

Sorry, I forgot to put a picture of my specs, I thought I had already put them in but clearly I just dreamt it D;
CPU :

GPU :


And here's the settings I used before changing them (I'm now using low subsampling quality and character resolution):




Now I just have to clean up all of my useless addons. Things like buff the group or action duration reminder are things that I used to need but now they just take too much space. I also have greyskull and a 3rd healthbar close to the centre of the screen for pvp but I'll disable it for trials.

Anyways, thanks for all your help, I'll do a vSS run and see if this made a big difference

madman65

This worked for me, find out how much your monitor/TV mhz is and then go into your usersettings and adjust: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/584759/frame-rate-cap-adjustment-how-to-limit-your-fps-from-being-too-high-updated

Thysbe

Another reason for low FPS not mentioned yet is heat.

When did you last clean your PC inside?
When did you last repaste the cooler plates?

There are heat monitoring tools which can show you if your CPU or GPU is overheating and thus shutting down causing massive FPS drops. But first srsly clean up your AddOns.

AddOn Manager is a tool with which you can create a raid profile - which I use to disable all on-raid relevant Add ons. So you can easily one click and ui relaoad between Trading and Overland Add ons and raid relevant ones. In group content I always lower graphics, even on a 3060TI it won´t run smoothly on Ultra.

Sarannah

Navaac223 wrote: »

Sorry, I forgot to put a picture of my specs, I thought I had already put them in but clearly I just dreamt it D;
CPU :

GPU :


And here's the settings I used before changing them (I'm now using low subsampling quality and character resolution):




Now I just have to clean up all of my useless addons. Things like buff the group or action duration reminder are things that I used to need but now they just take too much space. I also have greyskull and a 3rd healthbar close to the centre of the screen for pvp but I'll disable it for trials.

Anyways, thanks for all your help, I'll do a vSS run and see if this made a big difference

Your CPU and GPU are really old, considering a new pc might be a real option. Your computer also can't run windows 11, while windows 10 will have it's end of life in a few months. This is worth looking into. Would recommend atleast an intel 12th gen CPU and rtx 30 series GPU or their amd equivalents if you are going to do so.

That said, depending on which resolution you are running ESO in(full hd or lower/not 4k), your CPU should still be alright in running ESO. With your CPU you would get a fps dip here and there, but it should still run ESO ok-ish. ESO is quite the heavy game for hardware, so you may also consider only upgrading your GPU, if you have the room in your casing and your PSU can handle it. Same as above, atleast an RTX 30 series or amd equivalent.

You seem to have every ESO graphics setting set to the lowest already, the only thing you could now do is lower your resolution and maybe cut back on the add-ons. In your video your FPS dropped to as low as 4-5 FPS, with lowest settings. To be honest, I'm not really sure there is anything else you can do. You could look into heat and maybe repaste, but with your hardware this would gain you maybe 2-3 FPS tops, maybe 5 if you are extremely lucky. To me that does not seem worth the effort.

Maybe someone else has a few tricks for hardware like yours, but I don't think there really are any. Sorry!

Navaac223

After taking off a few addons and, most importantly, decreasing subsampling quality, my fps is now through the roof, with a staggering 30 fps during bossfights !

Here's the vSS run I just did and, yes, I did delete the footage for the first add pulls because I screwed up and nearly wiped the group :
https://youtu.be/pEgQfxSJg4M

Oh and also, I'm trying to get rid of some healthbars but eso seems to really love its default boss bar

Navaac223

Sarannah wrote: »

Navaac223 wrote: »

Sorry, I forgot to put a picture of my specs, I thought I had already put them in but clearly I just dreamt it D;
CPU :

GPU :


And here's the settings I used before changing them (I'm now using low subsampling quality and character resolution):




Now I just have to clean up all of my useless addons. Things like buff the group or action duration reminder are things that I used to need but now they just take too much space. I also have greyskull and a 3rd healthbar close to the centre of the screen for pvp but I'll disable it for trials.

Anyways, thanks for all your help, I'll do a vSS run and see if this made a big difference

Your CPU and GPU are really old, considering a new pc might be a real option.

What do you mean ? I'll have you know, my pc can run daggerfall and morrowind very smoothly

HatchetHaro

Sarannah wrote: »

Your CPU and GPU are really old, considering a new pc might be a real option. Your computer also can't run windows 11, while windows 10 will have it's end of life in a few months. This is worth looking into. Would recommend atleast an intel 12th gen CPU and rtx 30 series GPU or their amd equivalents if you are going to do so.

Eh, I used to raid in ESO for a long time up to a couple of years ago on an i7-4770 and GTX 1050Ti; could still easily get 30fps on 1080p with Subsampling Quality set to high.

Sarannah wrote: »

You could look into heat and maybe repaste, but with your hardware this would gain you maybe 2-3 FPS tops, maybe 5 if you are extremely lucky. To me that does not seem worth the effort.

Actually, cleaning out a PC and reapplying new thermal paste to the CPU, especially in a computer this old, can help a bunch!

Navaac223 wrote: »

After taking off a few addons and, most importantly, decreasing subsampling quality, my dps is now through the roof, with a staggering 30 fps during bossfights !

Here's the vSS run I just did and, yes, I did delete the footage for the first add pulls because I screwed up and nearly wiped the group :
https://youtu.be/pEgQfxSJg4M

Oh and also, I'm trying to get rid of some healthbars but eso seems to really love its default boss bar

That's great! I genuinely do think you can still push at least 30fps with Subsampling Quality set to high if you trim down your addons even further and find some alternatives to the ones you're using already.

For example, based on the limited view I could see when you opened your Addons window at 11:57, for tanking in Sunspire, you can disable these addons:

Asylum Sanctorium Status Panel
AsylumPriorityTarget
BeamMeUp
Better Scoreboard
BSC's How To Kynes Aegis
Calc
Chat2Clipboard
Chest Master 9000
DescendantsSupportSetTracker
Destinations
Dungeon Champions
Dungeon Tracker
Dustman
Harven's Improved Skills Window
Harven's Stack Split Slider
High Detail World Map
HowLong
HowToCloudrest
Inventory Insight
Item Cooldown Tracker
... and probably loads more!

I would recommending using those Addon Selector profiles to their full advantage, one each for each Trial and role.

If you want, you can post your addon list, and I can let you know which addons you can get rid of or replace. Better yet, if you add me on Discord (same name as my forum name), I can help you go through your different addon profiles and set them up for the content you want to do.

Tandor

Sarannah wrote: »

Your computer also can't run windows 11, while windows 10 will have it's end of life in a few months.

Windows 10 will still be well supported after October either by buying a year's extension for security updates from MS (recently announced as available to home users for $30 for one year only) or by buying a subscription for 0patch (from memory when I had it for Windows 7 it was about £24 per year). While upgrading to Windows 11 may be to some people's taste, it isn't for everyone and unlike previous Windows upgrades many users won't even have the option because of their machine specs, and there are perfectly viable ways of keeping Windows 10 safe and fully operational for some time to come, and certainly until a new machine can be afforded.

MorallyBipolar

Navaac223 wrote: »

I've always had bad fps in trials but, since subclassing dropped, I've noticed that my fps was getting lower than ever before. I guess that's because of the increase in damage, though I don't see how that would affect the client.

That's how bad it's getting : https://youtu.be/dXGJuzKcsE8

I'm using pretty much every setting available to increase my fps and I've disabled non essential addons that cause framerate drops like TTC. Are there any more tricks I should know about ?

What's your video card? You can do a lot with in game settings for sure, but if you've got an ancient video card options are limited.

..and in reading the entire thread, ya, you need to upgrade your PC, especially the video card.

CalamityCat

In addition to the other suggestions here, it might be worth checking any other software running on your PC while you play. Close anything you're not using and maybe look at any background applications you have. Some are necessary, but check anything you don't recognise. It's a good idea to do a search online to see if something unknown can be safely disabled

madman65

Oh do you have Master Merchant? I had problems with it during it`s updating in a fight.

LadyGP

Navaac223 wrote: »

I've always had bad fps in trials but, since subclassing dropped, I've noticed that my fps was getting lower than ever before. I guess that's because of the increase in damage, though I don't see how that would affect the client.

That's how bad it's getting : https://youtu.be/dXGJuzKcsE8

I'm using pretty much every setting available to increase my fps and I've disabled non essential addons that cause framerate drops like TTC. Are there any more tricks I should know about ?

Uhm... the clutter alone from all the add-ons is undoubtable going to be part if not the whole problem.

All the add-ons trifecta groups require are just insane to me. When my other half is playing trials and I go in and watch them it's just crazy to see all the things on the screen. Legit don't see how that is fun but to each their own.

TLDR - remove some add-ons and see if things improve.

LadyGP

Sarannah wrote: »

Navaac223 wrote: »

Sorry, I forgot to put a picture of my specs, I thought I had already put them in but clearly I just dreamt it D;
CPU :

GPU :


And here's the settings I used before changing them (I'm now using low subsampling quality and character resolution):




Now I just have to clean up all of my useless addons. Things like buff the group or action duration reminder are things that I used to need but now they just take too much space. I also have greyskull and a 3rd healthbar close to the centre of the screen for pvp but I'll disable it for trials.

Anyways, thanks for all your help, I'll do a vSS run and see if this made a big difference

Your CPU and GPU are really old, considering a new pc might be a real option. Your computer also can't run windows 11, while windows 10 will have it's end of life in a few months. This is worth looking into. Would recommend atleast an intel 12th gen CPU and rtx 30 series GPU or their amd equivalents if you are going to do so.

That said, depending on which resolution you are running ESO in(full hd or lower/not 4k), your CPU should still be alright in running ESO. With your CPU you would get a fps dip here and there, but it should still run ESO ok-ish. ESO is quite the heavy game for hardware, so you may also consider only upgrading your GPU, if you have the room in your casing and your PSU can handle it. Same as above, atleast an RTX 30 series or amd equivalent.

You seem to have every ESO graphics setting set to the lowest already, the only thing you could now do is lower your resolution and maybe cut back on the add-ons. In your video your FPS dropped to as low as 4-5 FPS, with lowest settings. To be honest, I'm not really sure there is anything else you can do. You could look into heat and maybe repaste, but with your hardware this would gain you maybe 2-3 FPS tops, maybe 5 if you are extremely lucky. To me that does not seem worth the effort.

Maybe someone else has a few tricks for hardware like yours, but I don't think there really are any. Sorry!

Just gonna put this out there... I have been a life long (20+ years intel person it feels like)... and I just switched to AMD. I will NEVER go back to intel. I went through the last two generations of nothing but issues and the price to performance ratio is just... it's wild.

If you're a pc gamer give AMD a serious look. Again, I say this as someone who dispised AMD (for no real reason tbh just a fanboy of intel... until they burned me... literally)

HatchetHaro

LadyGP wrote: »

Navaac223 wrote: »

I've always had bad fps in trials but, since subclassing dropped, I've noticed that my fps was getting lower than ever before. I guess that's because of the increase in damage, though I don't see how that would affect the client.

That's how bad it's getting : https://youtu.be/dXGJuzKcsE8

I'm using pretty much every setting available to increase my fps and I've disabled non essential addons that cause framerate drops like TTC. Are there any more tricks I should know about ?

Uhm... the clutter alone from all the add-ons is undoubtable going to be part if not the whole problem.

All the add-ons trifecta groups require are just insane to me. When my other half is playing trials and I go in and watch them it's just crazy to see all the things on the screen. Legit don't see how that is fun but to each their own.

TLDR - remove some add-ons and see if things improve.

To be clear, trifecta groups don't really require that many addons. For each Trial, they would typically require a Trial-specific addon (Qcell's Rockgrove Helper, HowToCloudrest, etc.), Hodor Reflexes for tracking ultimates, a gear-swapping addon (Wizard's Wardrobe or DressingRoom), and a 3D marker addon (Elms Markers or Marker).

Of course, each role would also "require" their own role-specific addons, such as Untaunted for tanks and a Crux tracker (ExoY's Crux Tracker, Crux Counter) for Arcanists, but those are generally already expected even for Dungeons.

Desiato

Jaimeh wrote: »

A few years ago Alcast had an article on their website on how to increase performance in ESO, including FPS, it was pretty easy and straightforward to follow, and I'm sure most of the tips will still be relevant, so maybe you could check it out.

In case anyone follows this, I did my own experiment recently and found simple shaders don't seem to offer advantages anymore. At least with my hardware. The shader cache was larger with them and my performance was slightly worse. They also result in display anomalies with some abilities and I ran a trial with simple shaders enabled and couldn't see some important fx -- like vlc mirrors if I recall correctly.

My guess is that at some point over the years ZOS optimized regular shaders, but not simple shaders and don't design new content with them in mind.

mzprx

LadyGP wrote: »

...Just gonna put this out there... I have been a life long (20+ years intel person it feels like)... and I just switched to AMD. I will NEVER go back to intel. I went through the last two generations of nothing but issues and the price to performance ratio is just... it's wild.

If you're a pc gamer give AMD a serious look. Again, I say this as someone who dispised AMD (for no real reason tbh just a fanboy of intel... until they burned me... literally)

i build gaming PCs for living and would never put an Intel CPU in any of my builds unless a customer requests it. Intel has lost the edge over AMD in gaming long time ago. nowadays AMD CPUs pretty much kick Intel into the dirt. so yeah, welcome to the "dark side" you'll like it here

to OP - as some people have mentioned it above it is time for an upgrade.

votan73

You could try https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1239-VotansAdaptiveVideo-Settings.html
It will adjust the view distance to your current load.
You should disable touching the settings you turned off already.

Sarannah

Tandor wrote: »

Sarannah wrote: »

Your computer also can't run windows 11, while windows 10 will have it's end of life in a few months.

Windows 10 will still be well supported after October either by buying a year's extension for security updates from MS (recently announced as available to home users for $30 for one year only) or by buying a subscription for 0patch (from memory when I had it for Windows 7 it was about £24 per year). While upgrading to Windows 11 may be to some people's taste, it isn't for everyone and unlike previous Windows upgrades many users won't even have the option because of their machine specs, and there are perfectly viable ways of keeping Windows 10 safe and fully operational for some time to come, and certainly until a new machine can be afforded.

Buying a new computer was just a suggestion, and I added this part about windows 11 as not everyone is aware of windows 10 being EOL and it may affect the OP's decision. Ofcourse I know there are ways around the EOL but I wasn't going to make this thread about that, as this is something a user can look into for themselves if they really want to.

As I said, the OP's CPU is still ok-ish. Which is why I also suggested he could only upgrade his GPU. Then maybe in a few years he could buy a new pc and place the now new GPU into that new pc. Basically upgrade in parts. But this is also where the windows 10 EOL comes in play and may affect a decision on how to proceed.

mzprx wrote: »

LadyGP wrote: »

...Just gonna put this out there... I have been a life long (20+ years intel person it feels like)... and I just switched to AMD. I will NEVER go back to intel. I went through the last two generations of nothing but issues and the price to performance ratio is just... it's wild.

If you're a pc gamer give AMD a serious look. Again, I say this as someone who dispised AMD (for no real reason tbh just a fanboy of intel... until they burned me... literally)

i build gaming PCs for living and would never put an Intel CPU in any of my builds unless a customer requests it. Intel has lost the edge over AMD in gaming long time ago. nowadays AMD CPUs pretty much kick Intel into the dirt. so yeah, welcome to the "dark side" you'll like it here

to OP - as some people have mentioned it above it is time for an upgrade.

Same. Intel used to be my go-to, but in recent years they have just become too expensive and all the issues with their drivers doesn't help either. Though I have never owned an AMD CPU, my next computer probably will be.

PS: To the OP: The game would look like an entirely new game if you could play at high graphic settings, it makes a world of difference. Really, ESO is beautiful. After playing in 4k with mostly highest settings, I could no longer imagine playing ESO with everything off/low/low resolution.

MJallday

see that GTX 1070 graphics card? its about 10 years old

so my advice is to turn your pc off.. remove it. throw it in the bin, or sell it on ebay
go to amazon buy a 4070ti or similar, install it and try again#

and probably buy yourself a new CPU, Memory and PSU with it because chances are if your GPU is that old, the rest of it is as well.

you could remove all that stuff on screen, and you might get it to an "OK" level - but you're certainly not going to get "good" performance with that spec PC .

Sorry.

FeedbackOnly

MJallday wrote: »

see that GTX 1070 graphics card? its about 10 years old

so my advice is to turn your pc off.. remove it. throw it in the bin, or sell it on ebay
go to amazon buy a 4070ti or similar, install it and try again#

and probably buy yourself a new CPU, Memory and PSU with it because chances are if your GPU is that old, the rest of it is as well.

you could remove all that stuff on screen, and you might get it to an "OK" level - but you're certainly not going to get "good" performance with that spec PC .

Sorry.

I have GTX 1060 with 6 vram. It's there setting in game and outvand add on choices. I have 60 fps on trials on medium setting and roam around world with 100 fps

FeedbackOnly

What's really happening is you probably don't have enough ram, your power setting need to be adjusted, windows 11 gamer mode is better for performance like for reals.

* Download Park control for CPU performance boost

* Adjust virtual ram, it's finally mainstream that this helps

'* Buy more ram, at least 32 gbs

* Join windows 11

* You should download driver booster to get some modern drivers

* Adjust power setting is like magic. Chanfevit to always be on performance. 👊

* You add on management is poor

🦴 It's like just changing power setting and add ons will fix a lot of your issues.

Ilumia

This is an incredibly helpfull thread, so many awesome people from the community contributing really good and insightful information.
I also really like the addonselector, and votan's list thingy, it takes a bit to set up the addons at first, and uninstalling an old UI addon and getting and setting up a new one does too. If you're playing eso regularly though, it is absolutely worth the hours spent. I went for a while with 2 addons that showed health bars, and I could not for the life of me figure out which one was the annoying one. I didn't have so much energy at the time, but when I finally went through the addons and base game settings, and got rid of it, it was quite nice to have the leaner UI looks whenever the info wasn't needed.

FeedbackOnly

Can it run websites will give you a fps idea. ESO can run without a dedicated gpu. In fact there's a setting to push burden onto CPU if GPU is the bottle neck

That reminds me did you check game is using your dedicated gpu...this easier in free windows 11 update that includes performance benefits.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/372804/guide-ultra-low-settings-guide

☝️ This is for below min settings guide aka ultra low. You really don't need this but if you really want to.

I was tired early so here is what I forgot

*You use skeleton polymorph for performance boost.

* Remember ask people not to use non combat pets in trials

* Apply new thermal paste if over 10 years using commercial paste

* Check heating settings on with a freeware or in bios There was a 2020 driver that went around fixing this too on some models

* Using so many add ons require more ram

* Windows 11 gamer mode actually has real performance benefits this time unlike 10.

Overall check if game is 👏 using your dedicated GPU this is a bigger problem for Windows 10 users. Download a driver updater, this will fix minor stuff . Go fix power setting 👈👈. Google how to increase virtual memory

Note: Amazon is it will have electronics sale soon. I bought my 32 gb laptop RAM for 36 dollars on temu. Using a lot of add ons will require more RAM.