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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861

Can't fight back bug....

  • Lowlander
    Lowlander
    Do any of you guys use Rapid strike ? seams like after i start spamming that i get this bug alot. So coud it be DW that is bugged ?

    I also get a walk slow bug. Even after i die i walk slow as ..... ! only thing that fix that is log out and in again :S
    Edited by Lowlander on April 14, 2014 9:54AM
  • KiMiSi
    KiMiSi
    Do you have addons? I had the problem with not being able to use skills and being "frozen" and I think I solved it by upgrading and removing addons.
  • Iago
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    I have the same problem, and it happens a lot. I have no add ons and I find it quite irritating
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  • Elvent
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    KiMiSi wrote: »
    Do you have addons? I had the problem with not being able to use skills and being "frozen" and I think I solved it by upgrading and removing addons.

    Yes but it happened before I had addons.

  • SexyVette07
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    Ive had this happen too. In the middle of combat, at near max health, and then all of the sudden I fall over dead.
  • Elvent
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    This bug still exists zenimax.... In case you guys wanted to know :( I don't like the deaths adding up my repair bill to 1K+ because of not being able to fight back but I have gotten quick reflexes recently by double clicking the ESC key which is the quickest way to fix this bug but when you have a few mobs on you and it happens you wished you had that extra second to use for a heal potion but instead you're dead :(


    *cough*Pleasefixthisbug*cough*
    Edited by Elvent on April 14, 2014 12:16PM
  • Zordrage
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    i have this ALLOT

    cant use a single ability cant even attack with anything i can ONLY block and walk arround cant even run while the mob is hitting me

    i finde out if i open the inventory it gets fixed lol
  • zgrssd
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    I had this once or twice. Most people in game asume it is tied to using chain attacks like Puncturing Strikes or that Dual Wield skill.
    Specifically it seems as if the can't use skills/move fast you are under while using the skill stays "stuck".

    Sometimes it unstuck itself after a short time (propably another effect unlocking it. Have not tried /reloadui, but death so far worked.
    I can't remmeber if this ever happened in a dungeon for me, wich would be the only truly annoying place for me.
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  • timebandit_b16_ESO
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    many of us including myself have the same issue and all you can do atm is /reloadui and pray it works.
  • Zordrage
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    many of us including myself have the same issue and all you can do atm is /reloadui and pray it works.

    press i

    it fixes it for me

    and i can confirm that it mostly happens on my Night blade dual weapons chain attacks

  • Zakua
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    I am so glad I found this....I thought I was going insane (well I kinda did a few times...absolute unadulterated nerd rage set in). So it is a bug, good and look slike esc key tapping fixes, good I'll try and calm down next time haha
  • RustyBlades
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    I've seen it, esc sometimes fixes it, or jumping.. sometimes it turns out to be lag (that is evident when neither party takes damage) and the mob just dies.
  • Elvent
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    I've seen it, esc sometimes fixes it, or jumping.. sometimes it turns out to be lag (that is evident when neither party takes damage) and the mob just dies.

    I just don't see lag being the cause if chat, potions, avoiding red circles that give extra damage all working instantly and still not bein able to fight back.

    Don't get me wrong I have experienced lag before where anything I do doesn't work so I start testing all of these things to make sure it's lag like drinking a potion which doesn't work, saying something in chat which doesn't work, mount on my horse which doesn't work, that's obvious lag right there.

    That can't fight back bug has none of those problems included when it happens, I don't want zenimax seeing this bug as a lag issue and just ignore it because it's not, it's a bug.

    There was somebody that posted in my customer support thread that zenimax is aware of this bug but I don't think it's a priority but I don't know if that's true or not.
    Edited by Elvent on April 14, 2014 3:13PM
  • Zikai_Enakis
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    zgrssd wrote: »
    I had this once or twice. Most people in game asume it is tied to using chain attacks like Puncturing Strikes or that Dual Wield skill.
    Specifically it seems as if the can't use skills/move fast you are under while using the skill stays "stuck".

    Sometimes it unstuck itself after a short time (propably another effect unlocking it. Have not tried /reloadui, but death so far worked.
    I can't remmeber if this ever happened in a dungeon for me, wich would be the only truly annoying place for me.

    What Dual Wield skills are you referring to? I've yet to find any kind of cause for when this happens to me, but I just realized that it has only happened to me when I'm dual wielding swords and not when I'm using my restoration staff or bow now that I've read this. I only use 2 dual wield abilities,: Whirling Blades (morph of Whirlwind) and Shrouded Daggers (morph of Hidden Blade).

    Prior to getting Hidden Blade, I had used Rending Slashes (morph of Twin Slashes).
  • zgrssd
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    What Dual Wield skills are you referring to? I've yet to find any kind of cause for when this happens to me, but I just realized that it has only happened to me when I'm dual wielding swords and not when I'm using my restoration staff or bow now that I've read this. I only use 2 dual wield abilities,: Whirling Blades (morph of Whirlwind) and Shrouded Daggers (morph of Hidden Blade).

    Prior to getting Hidden Blade, I had used Rending Slashes (morph of Twin Slashes).
    I am pretty certain it happens most with Flurry (2nd dual wield), Punturing Strikes (1st Aedric Spear skill from templar) and thier morphs.
    It seems to happen less if the foe dies, especially if they die before final attack.

    I can also verrify that Entering Menu or Inventory seems to often fix it. But neither of them removes it in 100% of the case (or at least not on it's own) so I usually try both.

    It could indeed be a lag issue wich leads to a race condtion. They have in common that they are 4-5 seperate attacks that are part of one channeled skill use. If the last attack somehow get's registered after the "skill finish" is registered, that last attack might get you stuck in "using skill" state.
    /reloadui, death, and accessing inventory or menu could all remove that state.
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  • reggielee
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    thanks for the tips, I always thought it was a heavy debuff put on me and that I was too underleveled for the area
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  • Comaetilico
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    there is no specific ability that cause it, nor dual wield skill nor death nor anithing else... it is due to desync between client and server info... as explained in this same tread the problem lies in the fact that the game consider you to be in "mouse mode" but the client actualy is still in "aiming mode"

    a quick way to fix it is to either open a menù (esc or alt should both work) or using twice the "mouse mode" keybind ( "." by default setting) that will actualy activate and than deactivate the "mouse mode" and let use skill once again
  • zgrssd
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    there is no specific ability that cause it, nor dual wield skill nor death nor anithing else... it is due to desync between client and server info... as explained in this same tread the problem lies in the fact that the game consider you to be in "mouse mode" but the client actualy is still in "aiming mode"

    a quick way to fix it is to either open a menù (esc or alt should both work) or using twice the "mouse mode" keybind ( "." by default setting) that will actualy activate and than deactivate the "mouse mode" and let use skill once again
    I only said those abilities cause it more likely/it does not really happen without those abilities and thier specific attack mode.
    It also seems to happen a bit with the Healing Staff attack mode (specially if it kills on final tick), one reason I avoid dealing damage with anything but spells as healer.

    While mouse mode does prevent the buttons from firing the actions, this bug also shows all quickslot actions (inlcuding self directed ones like heals and centered aoe) as non-useable.
    I will tr mouse mode, might be just another way to get it unstuck.
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    Leonida Peterson (EU), Daggerfall, Kajiit Nightblade, Tank & main Crafter
    Kurga Peterson (EU), Ebonhart, Ork Dragonknight, Provision Mule
    Coldblood Peterson (EU) Argonian Templer, Daggerfall, Healer
    Incendia Peterson (EU), Dominion, Dunmer Dragonknight, fire DPS & healer
    Haldor Belendor (EU), Ebonhart, Breton Sorcerer, Tank
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  • Thete
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    It is certainly not a stun or lag. I reported it in beta and I still occassionally get it. Thankfully, it's quite rare.
  • zgrssd
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    Interestingly I play on the NA server when EU is down. And playing there right now I have a similar bug (but without any need for combat) happen to me.
    I all my Skills are marked as "unavaibible", I cannot use hrose and a cannot dodge via double-tap.

    No technqiue (mouse mode, enterign menu/ivnetory, /reloadui) short of relog seems to work for this variant, but it does seem to solve itself after a minutes or two.
    Elana Peterson (EU), Dominion, Imperial Sorc, Rune & Alchemy Crafting Char
    Leonida Peterson (EU), Daggerfall, Kajiit Nightblade, Tank & main Crafter
    Kurga Peterson (EU), Ebonhart, Ork Dragonknight, Provision Mule
    Coldblood Peterson (EU) Argonian Templer, Daggerfall, Healer
    Incendia Peterson (EU), Dominion, Dunmer Dragonknight, fire DPS & healer
    Haldor Belendor (EU), Ebonhart, Breton Sorcerer, Tank
    Fuliminictus Peterson (EU), Ebonhart, Altmer Sorcerer, Electric DPS

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    If you think anything I or somebody else said violates the Rules of this Forum, you are free to flag my posts. Till I get any notifcaion from this, I just asume you know you have no case against me or Zenimax disagrees with you.
  • Ufukb86rwb17_ESO
    There is a faster way to solve this IN COMBAT

    If I have understood your problem correctly, you are in combat and all of a sudden you can not perform any skills, not even attack or block.

    In this case, press enter and enter the chat, and then press enter again to exit the chat. Afterwards, you should be able to resume your combat. A real life saver.
  • zgrssd
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    I think there are two distinct bugs that however look very similar.
    1) This version is propably caused by using Skills like Flurry and Puncturing Strikes. I have not run into it since 1.0.5, but I might just have been lucky.
    There seem to be several solutions, basically all that forces the UI to re-evaluate the current "action ability state" of the Character (/reloadui, mouse mode, entering inventory/menu).

    2) This version seems to be caused by a failure to properly mount the horse (so it mostly affects late gamers and Imperial Edition Owners*). During the early stages of the "mount horse animation" all Skills (including self only) are shortly (0.5 secodsn I think) disabeled. Somehow the mounting cancels/fails to start, but that lock is still applied and sticks around.
    This version also makes Dodging and Blocking impossible (everything that would make no sense during horse mount animation) and is characterised with every skill being shown "non useable".
    I have not tried death or relog to remove it, but every other technique (mosue mode, /reloadui, enter menu) has failed to remove it. This version however removes itself with time (I think 5 mintues or someting around that).

    *It might even be limited to the imperial edition horse, as I so far have no other one.
    Edited by zgrssd on April 22, 2014 5:31AM
    Elana Peterson (EU), Dominion, Imperial Sorc, Rune & Alchemy Crafting Char
    Leonida Peterson (EU), Daggerfall, Kajiit Nightblade, Tank & main Crafter
    Kurga Peterson (EU), Ebonhart, Ork Dragonknight, Provision Mule
    Coldblood Peterson (EU) Argonian Templer, Daggerfall, Healer
    Incendia Peterson (EU), Dominion, Dunmer Dragonknight, fire DPS & healer
    Haldor Belendor (EU), Ebonhart, Breton Sorcerer, Tank
    Fuliminictus Peterson (EU), Ebonhart, Altmer Sorcerer, Electric DPS

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    If you think anything I or somebody else said violates the Rules of this Forum, you are free to flag my posts. Till I get any notifcaion from this, I just asume you know you have no case against me or Zenimax disagrees with you.
  • RangerChad
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    I just press C then close the character menu, everything works fine after that.
  • Abigail
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    I've had this happen several times -- I either cannot attack or cannot pickup loot from a slain mob. Often, I can remedy the situation by typing ALT. Harvesting from a nearby node will always correct the problem. I have died a few times after launching an attack on multiple mobs -- first mob is killed, then I cannot fight and am defeated. It's annoying to be sure.
  • GeronimoChief
    GeronimoChief
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    It must be a bug i totaly agree with Elvent , it happens frequently ,suddenly the only thing i can do is move around and drink potions and i know its not lag becasue as Elvent said drinking potions is instand no lag there , the mob hitting me is moving around normaly and so do other mobs or player , and its not stun becasue i opened my character window to see and there is nothing except the moment the window is open there is something in orange letters but dissapears after 1 sec the window is opened, and in general everything around me is moving / acting normal ,and only me cant do nothing .It is actually frustrating to die from something like that and its a waste of soulgem ...
  • roflcopter
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    There is a faster way to solve this IN COMBAT

    If I have understood your problem correctly, you are in combat and all of a sudden you can not perform any skills, not even attack or block.

    In this case, press enter and enter the chat, and then press enter again to exit the chat. Afterwards, you should be able to resume your combat. A real life saver.

    Yeah I have been using the ESC key to get out of this ill try enter next time, didn't even think of this... thanks. Kind of annoying. I thought it was a Mac bug as it didn't happen on my PC.

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  • FrauPerchta
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    I have it too. Thankfully I discovered the double escape. Very annoying!
  • Sue_D_Nim
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    I have the can't fight back bug, but only when I use my dual-wielded daggers; never when I use my bow.

    As for the slow walk bug, I get that after I've used an emote. It's more than a slow walk; my character is kind of hunched over and sort of gliding along. Another emote, or entering a menu, or some other action usually cancels it for me. It's annoying, though.

    The can't fight back bug is more than annoying. I read somewhere that if you press <esc> twice, rapidly, it will break you out of that state, but it doesn't work for me. By the time I've tried, I'm usually dead. I'll try it again; maybe I'm not doing it fast enough.

    I'm sure they'll fix it. I just wanted to weigh in with a "me, too" so they'll get an idea of how many of us are having the problem.
    Edited by Sue_D_Nim on April 26, 2014 1:01AM
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  • Singular
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    Elvent wrote: »
    Loxy37 wrote: »
    Only way I have found to remedy it is to use /reloadui. Its happened to me a few times.

    Thanks, I will try this next time it happens...hopefully it is a bug and zenimax can fix it.

    It's been happening to me a lot lately.

    I hit 'c' to open the character screen, then 'c' to close it, and I can fight back.
    War, give me war, give me war.
  • Elvent
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    Still not fixed.
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