PTS Update 46 - Feedback Thread for Furnishing Vault

ZOS_Kevin

This is the official feedback thread for the new Furnishing Vault being added to ESO+. We are looking for feedback on this feature and how we can improve it in the future. Specific feedback that the team is looking for includes the following:

• Does the collectible properly become unavailable if it is switched off? Does functionality return to normal when it is switched back on?
• Do the items stored within the Vault persist when the Vault is unavailable and are accessible again once the Vault is accessible again?
• Any other feedback on the Furnishing Vault as is or how it could be improved in the future?

MoonPile

Great solution, thank you! Could be improved a bit:

1. It would be FAR more useful to have 1000 storage slots for stacking up to 200 items/slot, rather than 500 slots for 1000-stacks. Speaking with other housers, very few (if any) of us actually stack up to 1000 of any one item. But 100-200, certainly.

2. Could we please be able to "Stow" furnishings from inventory just like Craft Bag ingredients, without having to go into a house / place this item?

3. Minor, but wish it did not have the housing UI icons on the front. It takes us out of the game world and make it less usable as a decorative element.

jcaceresw

Was not able to test it. It require me to have a current ESO+ subscription. This should not happen considering we are in the PTS realm.

JHartEllis

Does the collectible properly become unavailable if it is switched off? Does functionality return to normal when it is switched back on?

I can't find any way to turn it off/on, and I think it's intended to always be on so you can Retrieve To it even with none active.

Do the items stored within the Vault persist when the Vault is unavailable and are accessible again once the Vault is accessible again?

Haven't had any problems with that.

Any other feedback on the Furnishing Vault as is or how it could be improved in the future?

Would be good to reemphasize that the stack size is beyond 1000--like the Craft Bag.

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The Vault will help at the margins to make inventory more manageable, but it's not something that will mean much to people barely into housing, and 500 isn't much for housing veterans.

If the major constraint is the total number of furnishings that can be accessed through the Editor, then I'd recommend adding additional "cold-storage vaults" that can store additional furnishings but aren't dynamic with the Editor. So you could only have one active vault, but up to say, nine, additional cold-storage vaults, and you could designate which one is currently active. You could sell additional Vaults similar to the Armory Station, maybe even having a Vault Assistant to help manage which one is active. Another feasible path would be to have a designated cold-storage house that holds all the vaults.

I feel like this should be paired with a robust furnishing recycling system to help clean up excessive unwanted furnishings that are cluttering up the database. People can pick their 5000 favorite furnishings and scrap the rest. This would ensure all furnishings feel more like a reward instead of a chore and would be quite future-proofed.

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With the Craft Bag and now Vault allowing for near-infinite stack sizes, and with incremental database load as a concern, I'd hope that inventory stack sizes are revisited. Ultimately, it may be the right technical/performance decision to remove stack sizes entirely for items that stack at all. That would be a big game changer! Otherwise, just limited to like 1000 would accomplish a lot. It's been a long-standing concern that the guild traders aren't very functional because of arbitrarily small inventory stack size limits.

LinusMain

Does the vault remain usable when your ESO+ run out?

Lady_Rosabella

MoonPile wrote: »

Great solution, thank you! Could be improved a bit:

1. It would be FAR more useful to have 1000 storage slots for stacking up to 200 items/slot, rather than 500 slots for 1000-stacks. Speaking with other housers, very few (if any) of us actually stack up to 1000 of any one item. But 100-200, certainly.

2. Could we please be able to "Stow" furnishings from inventory just like Craft Bag ingredients, without having to go into a house / place this item?

3. Minor, but wish it did not have the housing UI icons on the front. It takes us out of the game world and make it less usable as a decorative element.

Completely agree with you @MoonPile considering how many different furnishing items there are in each category in the game it would be much better to be able to store more of a variety of items in smaller stacks than just 500 different furnishings in such a large stack of 1,000.

In the pics below, from the ESO Fashions website, the numbers beside each category lists the number of different named items in the game. For instance, under 'Conservatory' alone, there are 931 different named furnishing items in the game. And so on for each category. Not saying anyone in the game would own every named item in each category but I seriously doubt any one person owns 1,000 of any one named furnishing item.

JHartEllis

Furniture Catalogue lists out 5567 furnishings currently on the live server, and around 300 are added each year between updates, events, and promotions. A huge chunk of these have both bound and unbound forms, bringing the total potential inventory slots close to 10,000 in a few years.

Wereswan

I'd just like to say thanks for adding this, in whatever form it eventually takes. My bank space is absolutely choked with surplus furnishings and it'll really help me.

cyclonus11

Adding to a thought I had a while ago - what if 500 was the baseline, and it increased based on the number and type of houses the player owns? For example, for each of the following:

Inn Rooms: +10 Slots Each
Apartments: +15 Slots Each
Small Houses: +25 Slots Each
Medium Houses: +50 Slots Each
Large Houses: +75 Slots Each
Manors: +100 Slots Each

Total for all Inn Rooms: +110 Slots
Total for all Apartments: +45 Slots
Total for all Small Houses: +250 Slots
Total for all Medium Houses: +750 Slots
Total for all Large Houses: +1575 Slots
Total for all Manors: +4800 Slots

Total slots if all houses are obtained: 8,030 slots maximum

Keep in mind that the vast majority of players will not have anywhere near all of the houses, with many (perhaps most?) only having the homes that are obtainable for free in-game.

Some other things to consider in regards to raising the limit:

- It does not include those who don't have ESO+
- Those who do not care about housing will not use it, or use it very minimally
- Many houses are only briefly available, limiting the ability to max out the number of slots
- Only the biggest "whales" will have the max due to expensive Crown Store exclusive homes
- Adds a small additional incentive to spend on the Crown Store for those who can afford it

alternatelder

MoonPile wrote: »

Great solution, thank you! Could be improved a bit:

1. It would be FAR more useful to have 1000 storage slots for stacking up to 200 items/slot, rather than 500 slots for 1000-stacks. Speaking with other housers, very few (if any) of us actually stack up to 1000 of any one item. But 100-200, certainly.

2. Could we please be able to "Stow" furnishings from inventory just like Craft Bag ingredients, without having to go into a house / place this item?

3. Minor, but wish it did not have the housing UI icons on the front. It takes us out of the game world and make it less usable as a decorative element.

This is the superior solution. As it is now, it does not entice me enough to continue subbing. I have well over 500 furnishings stashed away between a few manors. Even a bump to 750 is ideal.

kind_hero

The Vault is a great addition.

I hope Cardinal is reading this... My wish is to be able to save houses using the Vault, so we could have two or more builds for the same place. The Vault allows this huge inventory pool, where stuff can be used across houses. In theory, we just need to save a list of coordinates and items.

Perhaps with time, the system can move towards the sticker book concept, which can free a lot of inventory. Maybe rebuild certain furniture with less materials, like with the transmute system, but making those furnishings bound in the process?

In my opinion, certain furnishing types should be bound, and much easier to make/use, and let other furnishings be more special and tradable. In the first category I am thinking of structural pieces, and in the later, I would place things like food dishes, elegant chairs, carpets etc. Most people save extra furnishings for later projects because they are hard to find or make. But maybe if we would collect 3-5 pieces, then we might be able to reconstruct that piece for far less mats or gold. In such a case, I wouldn't hoard so many probably useless furnishings.

Also, a furnishing station is very much needed! It is very confusing to find the right craft to make what you want. An interface similar to the master crafting station would be great. I would have two optional tabs: one to sort things by DLC/Style/area, and a second to sort by destination (suite, structures, workshop etc).

Lady_Rosabella

JHartEllis wrote: »

Furniture Catalogue lists out 5567 furnishings currently on the live server, and around 300 are added each year between updates, events, and promotions. A huge chunk of these have both bound and unbound forms, bringing the total potential inventory slots close to 10,000 in a few years.

I currently have several large storage houses broken down into categories such as one house holds all 'Structures' another holds all 'Lighting', another all 'Conservatory' and so on. I don't have any one item that has 1,000 of the same furnishings though. I would much rather have the ability to store more of a variety of different furnishings in smaller stacks than just 500 different furnishings in such a large stack. I will admit that it will be nice to clean our one large storage house to be able to decorate that house but I will still need to travel back and forth to storage houses to get furnishings when working on a new build.
One feature I would love to have added would be the ability to deconstruct furnishings you have made, and are not using, to get some of the materials back. I think a big reason that most have storage houses is that when we craft pieces of furnishings and we either decide not to use that piece or we remodel a house, we don't get rid of it because furnishing mats can get expensive and we might need those pieces in a future build. Being able to deconstruct pieces to say get some of the heartwood or mundane runes back would be worth not trying to find a place to store the furnishings. That person would then have the option to use the mats to craft other furnishings or sell those mats.

Erorah

Just as an addendum to the number of Furnishings in the Live game, there are [approximately]:

8452 Furnishings:
* 8190 Traditional and Special Furnishings
* 106 Collectible Furnishings
* 156 Busts & Trophies
(this does include the placement of the Attuned furnishing stations which are no longer necessary with the new GMCSs. However, not everyone has those. Still you can minus 328 from the above #)
8124 Total otherwise.

Also to note: Special Collectibles:
* 95 Houseguests
* 630+ Mounts and 575+ Pets (as of U44)

Sooo... I think we are closer to the 10,000 than many realize.